[QUOTE=Fosax;43057576]What are they protesting exactly?[/QUOTE]
They government was abandoning plans to join/work with the EU in favour of basically being Russia's bitch for cheap oil.
They either really want to be with Russia or with the EU so its one of those its hard to tell with Ukrainians
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;43057117]Ukrainian protesters pepper spraying the police
[img]http://i.imgur.com/C2bCE9A.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1rzqhv/ukrainian_protester_pepperspraying_the_police/]From the thread about this[/url]
[quote][B]Context:[/B]
The most probable version after the analysis of the violent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#1_December_riots]beatdown by the riot police of the protesters[/url] indicates that [B]this guy and a bunch of others, all of them properly equipped for the assault and defence against the police, were agents provocateur inciting people to begin an attack at the police.[/B]
There are evidences that the protesters tried to prevent the aggressors from attacking the police (and they managed to prevent them from rushing the bulldozer forward), but those who tried to calm them down, were themselves attacked.
[B]The police in the front were the 18 year old conscript soldiers, who weren't even given the shields to protect themselves for the fear that the protesters would seize them.[/B] They didn't react to the assault and held their position. The journalists say they saw some of the soldiers crying. Behind them were Berkut, the Ukrainian special riot police, who remained unharmed for the duration of the provocateurs' attack and made sure the front line didn't retreat.
[url=http://youtu.be/bNoOLHgY6sU]The is a video wintnessing the attackers changing sides without obstruction.[/url] They are seen talking to the Berkut in the back and then returning to the crowd.
At one point the Berkut began the strike back: first the tear gas, then flashbang grenades. The panicking people started rushing out of the crowded street and the Berkut followed striking everyone right and left. They attacked the halrmess passers-by, the journalists, aiming specifically at the cameras (a friend of mine got three cameras damaged and took the beating with rubber batons, right after taking photos of several policemen attacking his fellow photographer lying on the ground), they attacked the medic volunteers who tried to give first aid to the wounded on the ground.
[B]The consequence:[/B] [B]the peaceful demonstration of hundreds of thousands (without exaggeration) was sabotaged and the public opinion of the world community on the events was turned against the protest.[/B]
Several people, who weren't even in the spot of the clash were beaten by the Berkut while dispersing the protesters, are currently at the hospital and are charged with civil disorder and are facing 2 months imprisonment by decision of a biased court, while there is evidence of them being uninvolved with the attack.[/quote]
[QUOTE=kaze4159;43057689][url=http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1rzqhv/ukrainian_protester_pepperspraying_the_police/]From the thread about this[/url][/QUOTE]
Wait so my first impression was right, this guy's an asshole.
Thanks a lot.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;43057551]That's terrible. I know the police wanna be there just as much as the protesters.[/QUOTE]
watch them smash people's cameras and beat people begging for mercy then maybe you wont think its so terrible
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48c_1385939669[/url]
it really depends on the situation. here in brazil, during the riots we had this year, there were numerous cases where the police was abusing their force, but i'm sure there's many other places where the police just tries to do their job and keep things under control whenever any protests break out
i don't know how the situation is in ukraine so i really can't say anything
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43059997]it really depends on the situation. here in brazil, during the riots we had this year, there were numerous cases where the police was abusing their force, but i'm sure there's many other places where the police just tries to do their job and keep things under control whenever any protests break out
i don't know how the situation is in ukraine so i really can't say anything[/QUOTE]
Here a cop shot a paintball to the eye of a dude and afaik, i went blind in that eye or lost it, and like two years ago a cop shot and killed someone, and nobody ever talked about it again.
[IMG]http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2315435/83706090.jpeg[/IMG]
bullet from an A10
Training tank shell from the 120 on an Abrams.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/bGliZle.jpg?1[/t]
water bottle for scale.
[editline]3rd December 2013[/editline]
well it's either a training shell or a fuel air-bomb, but I'm certain it's the former.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43059997]it really depends on the situation. here in brazil, during the riots we had this year, there were numerous cases where the police was abusing their force, but i'm sure there's many other places where the police just tries to do their job and keep things under control whenever any protests break out
i don't know how the situation is in ukraine so i really can't say anything[/QUOTE]
You know, if the protesters are torching cars and destroying private and public property it's not a protest anymore, it's a riot.
The first days of the "protest" were pure riots and the police reaction was justified.
Not sure about Ukraine though, but looking at the stories behind this, there are always some people attacking the police lines first.
[QUOTE=Fosax;43061171]You know, if the protesters are torching cars and destroying private and public property it's not a protest anymore, it's a riot.
The first days of the "protest" were pure riots and the police reaction was justified.
Not sure about Ukraine though, but looking at the stories behind this, there are always some people attacking the police lines first.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, those people are called provocateurs and are paid money to do that.
[QUOTE=Fosax;43061171]You know, if the protesters are torching cars and destroying private and public property it's not a protest anymore, it's a riot.
The first days of the "protest" were pure riots and the police reaction was justified.
Not sure about Ukraine though, but looking at the stories behind this, there are always some people attacking the police lines first.[/QUOTE]
Well, ignoring the fact that there were plenty of reports of people actually being hired to start said riots, as well as how the riots themselves were probably justified (not all of them of course, it was all way too big to make generalizations), what you said is not true at all. I wasn't in Brazil at the time, but I had plenty of friends telling me how the very first protests went, and most of the early ones were really peaceful (some of them even said [i]too[/i] peaceful, since a lot of people that didn't care at all went just so they could post shit on Facebook about it).
Hawken's got some great mechs, including one of my all time favorites, THE MOKE
[t]http://i.imgur.com/yG8ZjyG.jpg[/t]
It's just so fuckin' silly looking, I love it.
Hawken has really goddamn ugly mechs, and thats coming from a guy who loves western mechs.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;43061625]Hawken has really goddamn ugly mechs, and thats coming from a guy who loves western mechs.[/QUOTE]
I love them. They're a breath of fresh air. They actually look like pieces of military equipment, not action figures.
[QUOTE=Skyward;43061654]I love them. They're a breath of fresh air. They actually look like pieces of military equipment, not action figures.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/hawken/thumb/1/12/Recruit.jpg/468px-Recruit.jpg[/IMG]
Its a damn CRT monitor with legs.
[QUOTE=Skyward;43061654]I love them. They're a breath of fresh air. They actually look like pieces of military equipment, not action figures.[/QUOTE]
imo hawken mechs look nothing like something any military would use. They look more like a bunch of lego bricks placed at random or something a bored engineer would make out of spare parts from an old CRT.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;43061679][IMG]http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/hawken/thumb/1/12/Recruit.jpg/468px-Recruit.jpg[/IMG]
Its a damn CRT monitor with legs.[/QUOTE]
Oh please find a better example. That one's designed to look dumb. That's the point. It's meant to look like the butt of all jokes. It lampshades it in game.
[I]Fuck it's called the CRT.[/I] It's pretty clear its not meant to be taken seriously.
[editline]3rd December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43061711]imo hawken mechs look nothing like something any military would use. They look more like a bunch of lego bricks placed at random or something a bored engineer would make out of spare parts from an old CRT.[/QUOTE]
Well, fictional military equipment. If we're talking about real viability, a real military wouldn't be using mechs in the first place.
And even then military isn't the right word. I don't mean it fits the look of an organized military. You're not playing as military, you're mercenaries, so it makes sense to have them look cobbled together. I mean they look like WEAPONS. Not toys.
Well, save for the CRT.
I feel the designs look great for the overall style they're going for with the world, the mechs, and their pilots.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ptL2Jw8.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Skyward;43061735]Oh please find a better example.
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[t]http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/games/hawken/Hawken_video_game_preview_Infiltrator_veh.jpg[/t]
[t]http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/hawken/thumb/f/fb/Infiltrator.jpg/468px-Infiltrator.jpg[/t]
[IMG]https://community.playhawken.com/uploads/db37a5f03a68573bfb1d82e35779523c.jpg[/IMG]
[editline]sdasdsa[/editline]
That said, there are a few that I genuinly like.
[IMG]http://www.3dartistonline.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hawken-2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/13/oct/predator.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/gamefront-hawken-reaper.jpg[/IMG]
I just think that in general their mech designs are pretty ugly.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;43061913][t]http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/games/hawken/Hawken_video_game_preview_Infiltrator_veh.jpg[/t]
[t]http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/hawken/thumb/f/fb/Infiltrator.jpg/468px-Infiltrator.jpg[/t]
[IMG]https://community.playhawken.com/uploads/db37a5f03a68573bfb1d82e35779523c.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I don't know where that first one came from, because it's not in the game, and it's not the Infiltrator like it says. Though whatever it is, yeah that's super ugly :v:
As for the rest, I quite like them.
[QUOTE=Skyward;43061654]I love them. They're a breath of fresh air. They actually look like pieces of military equipment, not action figures.[/QUOTE]
I cry a little bit when I see them. And this is coming from someone who has wanted very, very much an "early humanoid mech era" game, which well...is not what the game is [B]at all[/B]. But that aside, if we want to talk about the designs, they're comically over-complicated in some areas, and "technology too soon" in others (EG: CRT monitor mech), mashing two or more eras' aesthetics together into one instead of creating its own.
Technically the game's aesthetic theme is "AS MESSY AND CLUTTERED AS POSSIBLE", which from a gameplay/environment perspective [I]can[/I] be interesting, but from a military design perspective stupid.
Eh different strokes for different folks and all that.
I love landscape pictures
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qAY5ZSG.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/V9ofKRp.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rtWH9mY.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/heSOIxN.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;43061679][IMG]http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/hawken/thumb/1/12/Recruit.jpg/468px-Recruit.jpg[/IMG]
Its a damn CRT monitor with legs.[/QUOTE]
But in the end, is that not the most truly terrifying thing ever?
[QUOTE=sltungle;43062379]But in the end, is that not the most truly terrifying thing ever?[/QUOTE]
yes
[QUOTE=Blazyd;43062326]I love landscape pictures
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rtWH9mY.jpg[/IMG]
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I would kill to ski down this.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/f2rryKB.jpg[/img]
Wear a helmet
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43063771][img]http://i.imgur.com/f2rryKB.jpg[/img]
Wear a helmet[/QUOTE]
Close shave.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43063771][img]http://i.imgur.com/f2rryKB.jpg[/img]
Wear a helmet[/QUOTE]
Holy shit.
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