[QUOTE=Virtanen;44643831]The ocean in general is fucking terrifying.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/TzzFO.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
The fact that life (no, not talking about cthulhu) exists so far down is just hard to imagine.
"Only 10% of the ocean has been mapped"
Woah.
Depends on what you mean by mapped. We know the general contours of the ocean floor from satellites detecting minute changes in sea level, but it's not very exact. For exact measurements you need sonar surveys which you can see on Google Earth. For example, Monterey Bay, and most of California's coast have been mapped in detail. Go out about 100 miles and you can see the topography is much smoother, except for a few straight lines of detail. Those are areas that have been mapped with sonar being towed behind ships. So in reality, the entire ocean has been mapped. Just not in [I]excruciating[/I] detail.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PxiAtuv.jpg[/img]
Ulithi Atoll, a small group of Islands out in the Pacific that became the major staging area for all US pacific operations late in the war. The islands there are incredibly small, the largest not even being a square mile large, but it had a massive coral reef. The anchorage could hold over 700 ships so the US moved in and made a makeshift port there. They had ships that were permanently moored to the reef and they made everything from floating repair stations, to floating ice cream ships. They sunk iron rods and pylons into the reef to make makeshift piers that held up to even the nastiest weather the pacific could throw at it. They had floating dry docks that could house an entire battleship for repairs and refitting
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/USS_Iowa_Floating_Drydock.jpg[/img]
They had thousands of welders, electricians, carpenters, and ship fitters were working in unison to repair and refit ships and prepare them for battle. At it's peak there were 722 ships in the anchorage and it was the most active in the world. It was used as the staging area for the invasion of Okinawa, but it soon became abandoned just before the end of the war. It's a lesser known story about the pacific because it was a classified location during the war, and by the time it was declassified nobody cared about it anymore.
[QUOTE=Virtanen;44643831]The ocean in general is fucking terrifying.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/TzzFO.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it unsettles me to no end that H.P. Lovecraft [i]could[/i] be completely right. R'lyeh or something like it could very easily exist down there and we would never know.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;44647528]I've said it before and I'll say it again, it unsettles me to no end that H.P. Lovecraft [I]could[/I] be completely right. R'lyeh or something like it could very easily exist down there and we would never know.[/QUOTE]
Actually no, it is pretty much physically impossible for something large to live down there. The water pressure is immense, and most large things would be crushed. Pretty much the largest thing you will find down there is 1 inch organisms and microbe/bacteria.
But lets ignore the whole thousands times our air pressure, something that large could not exist down there because something that large would need large amounts of energy to function, so unless they were eating each other they would have no way to feed themselves down there to support their weight. Unless of course they ate the dead algae sludge that covers the ocean floor, but then it wouldn't be scary because it wouldn't be dangerous to us.
Either way, nothing actually large can exist down there because of pressure and lack of any other large group of creatures to feed that large organism.
[QUOTE=1chains1;44647577]Actually no, it is pretty much physically impossible for something large to live down there. The water pressure is immense, and most large things would be crushed. Pretty much the largest thing you will find down there is 1 inch organisms and microbe/bacteria.
But lets ignore the whole thousands times our air pressure, something that large could not exist down there because something that large would need large amounts of energy to function, so unless they were eating each other they would have no way to feed themselves down there to support their weight. Unless of course they ate the dead algae sludge that covers the ocean floor, but then it wouldn't be scary because it wouldn't be dangerous to us.
Either way, nothing actually large can exist down there because of pressure and lack of any other large group of creatures to feed that large organism.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no.
The internal and external pressure is the same (mostly) for creatures of the deep and thus they don't get crushed.
It's the same reason a person going up from 50m to zero gets the beds; the internal pressure difference causes the gas in your blood to uncompress and kill you
[QUOTE=download;44647590]Uh, no.
The internal and external pressure is the same (mostly) for creatures of the deep and thus they don't get crushed.
It's the same reason a person going up from 50m to zero gets the beds; the internal pressure difference causes the gas in your blood to uncompress and kill you[/QUOTE]
Ok that is fine, but regardless for something large to live down there it would need a large amount of energy in the form of some kind of food. Seeing as every time we have gone into extremely deep water we have found only small life forms and nothing large and free swimming it is very obviously implied that nothing large can survive down there.
Hell, in the first submersed dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench they reported seeing a flat fish, which there after was dismissed by a large amount of scientists as being impossible and was identified as a sea cucumber.
So yea I got something wrong about the pressure but that was not the point I was making, I was saying nothing large can feasibly live down there and its true.
Unless of course youre willing to post proof?
Also you are somewhat wrong, upon further research pressure does affect sea life and hence why fish from shallower zones are not found in deeper waters and vice versa:
[quote]Considering the volume of water above the deepest parts of the ocean, it's no wonder that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_pressure#Hydrostatic_pressure"]hydrostatic pressure[IMG]http://marinebio.org/_n/i/x.png[/IMG][/URL] is one of the most important environmental factors affecting deep sea life. Pressure increases 1 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_pressure"]atmosphere[IMG]http://marinebio.org/_n/i/x.png[/IMG][/URL] (atm) for each [URL="http://www.google.com/search?q=10+m+in+ft"]10[IMG]http://marinebio.org/_n/i/x.png[/IMG][/URL] m in depth. The deep sea varies in depth from 200 m to about [URL="http://www.google.com/search?q=11,000+m+in+ft"]11,000[IMG]http://marinebio.org/_n/i/x.png[/IMG][/URL] m, therefore pressure ranges from 20 atm to more than 1,100 atm. High pressures can cause air pockets, such as in fish [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swim_bladder"]swim bladders[IMG]http://marinebio.org/_n/i/x.png[/IMG][/URL], to be crushed, but it does not compress water itself very much. Instead, high pressure distorts complex biomolecules — especially membranes and[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteins"]proteins[IMG]http://marinebio.org/_n/i/x.png[/IMG][/URL] — upon which all life depends. Indeed, many food companies now use high pressure to sterilize their products such as packaged meats.[/quote]
what about deep sea gigantism? is there any relation between that and the depth/pressure of the environment a thing lives in?
[QUOTE=1chains1;44647577]Actually no, it is pretty much physically impossible for something large to live down there. The water pressure is immense, and most large things would be crushed. Pretty much the largest thing you will find down there is 1 inch organisms and microbe/bacteria.
But lets ignore the whole thousands times our air pressure, something that large could not exist down there because something that large would need large amounts of energy to function, so unless they were eating each other they would have no way to feed themselves down there to support their weight. Unless of course they ate the dead algae sludge that covers the ocean floor, but then it wouldn't be scary because it wouldn't be dangerous to us.
Either way, nothing actually large can exist down there because of pressure and lack of any other large group of creatures to feed that large organism.[/QUOTE]
You think Cthulhu would obey such petty laws as "physics"?
[QUOTE=1chains1;44647659]Ok that is fine, but regardless for something large to live down there it would need a large amount of energy in the form of some kind of food. Seeing as every time we have gone into extremely deep water we have found only small life forms and nothing large and free swimming it is very obviously implied that nothing large can survive down there.
Hell, in the first submersed dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench they reported seeing a flat fish, which there after was dismissed by a large amount of scientists as being impossible and was identified as a sea cucumber.
So yea I got something wrong about the pressure but that was not the point I was making, I was saying nothing large can feasibly live down there and its true.
Unless of course youre willing to post proof?
Also you are somewhat wrong, upon further research pressure does affect sea life and hence why fish from shallower zones are not found in deeper waters and vice versa:[/QUOTE]
I simply stated that the pressure won't kill creatures that live down there. I made no other claims
[editline]26th April 2014[/editline]
There is no need for you to be a cunt and box me for it.
Also typically large creatures like that without much food around tend to hibernate for a long time. Something I find just as or more likely that there's something massive frozen in the ice at one of poles. We have no idea what could be there. But again, there's also the thought of something absolutely massive just under the surface layers beneath the ocean but we haven't seen it because again, it'd probably have an astronomically long hibernation time, enough for a rock layer to form layer of it. I dunno, maybe I just have a fascination with massive seacreatures and am grasping at straws, but it'd be cool as fuck :v:
Pressure effects a lot.
[Quote]Well…• There are other differences at massive pressures that•any•organism that wants to live down there has to cope with.• Here’s just three:
One important difference concerns cell membranes, those phospholipid bilayers that surround every cell in the body.• Cell membranes are “semi-permeable”, which means that some things pass through them and some things don’t.• It turns out that the permeability of membranes is very sensitive to pressure, so something as fundamental as keeping water or important molecules inside (or outside) cells becomes harder to manage at hadal pressures.• The cells of organisms may shrink like raisins or swell and burst, or simply leak important chemicals in or out, none of which is A Good Thing.
The second difference concerns proteins and enzymes.• Proteins are long, complex chains of amino acid molecules that have to fold up like molecular origami in order to work correctly.• You can maybe guess that the folding is different under pressure.• This is especially important for the class of proteins called enzymes, which are catalysts for chemical reactions in the body (they make the reactions occur but do not themselves change in the process). ••If enzymes fold incorrectly, then the chemical substrates they work with may no longer fit the enzyme properly and the reaction may cease, or possibly they fit too well and the reaction accelerates out of control.• The majority of biochemical reactions in cells are enzyme-mediated, from energy metabolism to cell division, so the effects of enzyme disruption would be profound.• Pressure can even make molecules more (or less) toxic.• Urea is a good example: it becomes far more toxic as pressure increases.• So deep sea sharks, which like all sharks have a lot of urea in their blood, also have a lot more of the protective chemical TMAO to offset this effect than do their shallow water cousins.
The third difference relates to solubility and this is the biggie for fish in the hadal depths.• This is because at those sorts of pressures, some organic molecules or organic/inorganic complexes, like bones, can quite literally dissolve and go back into solution in the water and this is hypothesized to prevent fish and other animals with hardened body parts from living at those depths (but we shall see if this holds true!). This process is called, rather confusingly, “remineralization” and it affects the rest of the food web too.• The marine snow of animal feces and dead bodies and mucus and other dross that gently falls from the sea surface to the depths, for example, can partly or completely dissolve as it falls, leading to a sort of horizon depth above which it is snowing and below which it is not.• In this way remineralization could result in less food making it to the bottom, perhaps contributing to the general sparseness of life.[/quote]
[editline]26th April 2014[/editline]
[url]http://deepseanews.com/2012/03/cool-as-a-sea-cucumber-life-and-death-at-extraordinary-deep-sea-pressures/[/url]
[I] If only Cuthulu was a God or something.[/I]
[QUOTE=1chains1;44647659]Ok that is fine, but regardless for something large to live down there it would need a large amount of energy in the form of some kind of food. Seeing as every time we have gone into extremely deep water we have found only small life forms and nothing large and free swimming it is very obviously implied that nothing large can survive down there.
Hell, in the first submersed dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench they reported seeing a flat fish, which there after was dismissed by a large amount of scientists as being impossible and was identified as a sea cucumber.
So yea I got something wrong about the pressure but that was not the point I was making, I was saying nothing large can feasibly live down there and its true.
Unless of course youre willing to post proof?
Also you are somewhat wrong, upon further research pressure does affect sea life and hence why fish from shallower zones are not found in deeper waters and vice versa:[/QUOTE]
NERDDDDDD
[QUOTE=download;44648515]I simply stated that the pressure won't kill creatures that live down there. I made no other claims
[editline]26th April 2014[/editline]
There is no need for you to be a cunt and box me for it.[/QUOTE]
How am I being a cunt, I argued my side of the my viewpoint. No need to get your panties in a knot over an internet rating jesus.
Sorry if you dont expect me to lie down and just say "oh ok you're right even though all evidence points to you being wrong".
Shania McDonagh's photorealistic pencil portraits. She's only 16 which makes it even more impressive.
[t]http://puu.sh/8oO25.jpg[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/8oOKr.jpg[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/8oOKD.jpg[/t]
The other two are her previous entries from other years; the second being from when she was 15, and the last when she was 14.
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44653635]-food-[/QUOTE]
-nvm you thumbed them-
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I like this guy.
apart from the murder obviously
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Hold on now, firing squad? This is obviously recent because of the LOTR trilogy, so what state still does firing squads?
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;44653772]Hold on now, firing squad? This is obviously recent because of the LOTR trilogy, so what state still does firing squads?[/QUOTE]
He was sentenced back in 1985, and he chose death by firing squad.
He was executed in 2010.
Well i like that he got the LOTR Trilogy, that's a good 9 hours more of life. 12 if it was the extended one.
[QUOTE=booster;44653876]He was sentenced back in 1985, and he chose death by firing squad.
He was executed in 2010.[/QUOTE]
it took them 25 years to kill him?
obstructive bureaucracy at its finest
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;44653772]Hold on now, firing squad? This is obviously recent because of the LOTR trilogy, so what state still does firing squads?[/QUOTE]
It says Utah
[editline]26th April 2014[/editline]
Fucking sudden posts man
[QUOTE=Samiam22;44653935]it took them 25 years to kill him?
obstructive bureaucracy at its finest[/QUOTE]
I don't get america in that aspect, you guys spend billions on expensive drugs, electricity and firing squads, when all it really takes is one guy blasting their head in with a shotgun or something.
[QUOTE=Crimor;44653987]I don't get america in that aspect, you guys spend billions on expensive drugs, electricity and firing squads, when all it really takes is one guy blasting their head in with a shotgun or something.[/QUOTE]
It's about pretending that it's humane. I guess it makes them feel better than if they just get it over and done with via more violent methods. At the end of the day you're still killing somebody.
[QUOTE=Reds;44654009]It's about pretending that it's humane. I guess it makes them feel better than if they just get it over and done with via more violent methods. At the end of the day you're still killing somebody.[/QUOTE]
You don't really have room to pretend to be humane in those aspects when you're that much in debt.
[QUOTE=Crimor;44653987]I don't get america in that aspect, you guys spend billions on expensive drugs, electricity and firing squads, when all it really takes is one guy blasting their head in with a shotgun or something.[/QUOTE]
Because it's not really fair for anyone to just do it. The person who has to shoot the guy in the head with a shotgun has to live with the guilt of killing a man for the rest of his life, and god help him if it turns out the guy was innocent.
And "billions"? Really? thats a HELL of an overstatement
[QUOTE=Crimor;44654080]You don't really have room to pretend to be humane in those aspects when you're that much in debt.[/QUOTE]
Yea, debt is a justifiable reason to turn to soviet style prison and punishment styles.
how about some sick parallel manipulator action
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Kpv-ZOcKY[/media]
and now with extreme pancake handling (0:17 - motherfucking pancake fast lane)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9oeOYMRvuQ[/media]
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