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I wonder if people hundreds, thousands of years in the future will find those, and put them in museums like we do now to things we find in the sea.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46907547]I wonder if people hundreds, thousands of years in the future will find those, and put them in museums like we do now to things we find in the sea.[/QUOTE] When old wrecks get discovered, they don't get fully raised up out of the ocean. The only thing that usually gets taken off them is usually small artifacts and any gold/silver coins. If they were to actually try and raise those, they would just fall apart.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46907555]When old wrecks get discovered, they don't get fully raised up out of the ocean. The only thing that usually gets taken off them is usually small artifacts and any gold/silver coins. If they were to actually try and raise those, they would just fall apart.[/QUOTE] It's possible that better technology in the future might allow for them to be raised intact.
[QUOTE=kaine123;46907643]It's possible that better technology in the future might allow for them to be raised intact.[/QUOTE] or you can just let it rest. You won't really gain much from pulling a rotted and rusted relic from the bottom of the ocean.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46907649]or you can just let it rest. You won't really gain much from pulling a rotted and rusted relic from the bottom of the ocean.[/QUOTE] you get to teach people history in a more direct and entertaining way?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46907760]you get to teach people history in a more direct and entertaining way?[/QUOTE] "hey kids, you see that absolutely indistinguishable wreck thats been tormented by over 100 years worth of abuse from saltwater and organisms living in it? That was, at one point, a P40-E Kitty Hawk." Or you could show them a surviving whatever the fuck.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46907779]"hey kids, you see that absolutely indistinguishable wreck thats been tormented by over 100 years worth of abuse from saltwater and organisms living in it? That was, at one point, a P40-E Kitty Hawk." Or you could show them a surviving whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE] There's merit in seeing the original over seeing a replica, regardless of what condition the original happens to be in. You of all people should know this. That said, these specific wrecks should probably be kept as curiosities for divers unless we wanted to inject a whole bunch of assets for restoration.
What you guys are failing to realize is that those warbirds were destroyed before they even hit the water. They're not really in restore-able condition. They've been under the water so long that pulling them out will probably only accelerate the process of them rusting away. Their metal is nothing but rust at this point so even if you try and restore it, you'll end up just building a new aircraft or boat anyways. Things would be different if they were in fresh water, but this really ain't the case. [editline]12th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilotguy97;46907807]There's merit in seeing the original over seeing a replica, regardless of what condition the original happens to be in. You of all people should know this. That said, these specific wrecks should probably be kept as curiosities for divers unless we wanted to inject a whole bunch of assets for restoration.[/QUOTE] Trust me man, I love WWII warbirds more than any other person on the planet, but I'd prefer to let the dead ones rest. Restoring them is only going to wipe the history off of them permanently. They've already rotted past the point of no return decades ago, might as well let them be. Furthermore, unless it's some unique curiosity, we've already got dozens of P-40's and DC-3's in Museums all over the world.
if they are just pieces of rust i don't see the point in "letting them rest"
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46907817][B][U]I love WWII warbirds more than any other person on the planet,[/U][/B][/QUOTE] I'll fite u m8. I'm also going to take this as an excuse to post some of the planes from the Wanaka airshow. [img]http://www.simplyplanes.co.uk/images/pages_images/airshows/wanaka/wanaka_2012_bob/bob-wanaka-2012-18-larger.jpg[/img] These guys travel to airshows all across the country. Like, literally. I've never seen a New Zealand airshow where these specific Harvards weren't there. [img]http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Warbirds+over+Wanaka+Vygv6gPZy-El.jpg[/img] UH-1Hs. They're also at every single airshow, if only because they're actually the RNZAF's primary aircraft. [img]http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/WanakaWarbirds/Corsair/TaxyingOnRunway.jpg[/img] F4U Corsair painted in WW2 RNZAF colours. [img]http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2013/07/the_consolidated_catalina_pby_5a_flying_boat_that__51da7f85a7.JPG[/img] I've actually been inside this Catalina. Before they painted it like this, it used to be a commercial airliner, meaning all the seats are nice and woolen still. [img]http://www.newzealandphoto.info/photos/bell-b47g-sioux-air-show-warbirds-over-wanaka-novy-zeland-164.jpg[/img] Bell 47s. These were still in service right up until 2011. [img]http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1270522136/153/3551153.jpg[/img] This P-51 also tends to travel around the country. There's shitloads more there, but these are just some of the ones I personally saw when I went.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46907856]if they are just pieces of rust i don't see the point in "letting them rest"[/QUOTE] Look, rust is literally the cancer of metals. It's not something that just pops up on the surface that you can wipe away with some sandpaper; it's literally the iron in the metal turning into rust. Adding salt into the mix only accelerates the decay. So when a piece of metal sits underwater for 70 or 80 years, it rusts like a motherfucker, far past the point of being restorable or even worth restoring. You could dump a few million into it and have it turned back into something resembling what it actually was, but at that point you're really just better off building a new one. I say this because you're wiping away the original history behind it and once you cut away all the rust, you're not gonna be left with much more than a chassis of old and poorly forged metal.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46907547]I wonder if people hundreds, thousands of years in the future will find those, and put them in museums like we do now to things we find in the sea.[/QUOTE] They're not going to be around for hundreds of years. They were disappear entirely.
[QUOTE=godfatherk;46897815][t]http://i.imgur.com/ZQ0wBRK.jpg[/t] [/QUOTE] holy shit
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46907856]if they are just pieces of rust i don't see the point in "letting them rest"[/QUOTE] It literally costs less money to build a functioning replica than it does to dredge that out of the ocean "intact" and restore it. Half those things will fall the pieces, if not disintegrate, once they're disturbed from their spot let alone dragged up to the surface of the ocean.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46907555]When old wrecks get discovered, they don't get fully raised up out of the ocean.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose]Some do.[/url]
[QUOTE=CatFodder;46910077][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose]Some do.[/url][/QUOTE] And it's taken $15 million and 40 years and it's still not finished.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46910119]And it's taken $15 million and 40 years and it's still not finished.[/QUOTE] Preserving something that old is never going to be quick or cheap, but it'll be done in a year or two and then it should last for centuries. I'd say it's worth the money.
Aren't underwater wrecks such as those often left undisturbed, as they're considered to be grave sites?
[QUOTE=CatFodder;46910077][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose]Some do.[/url][/QUOTE] Should've picked the Vasa ship as your example instead: [IMG]http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/11834319.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46911216]Should've picked the Vasa ship as your example instead: [IMG]http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/11834319.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Ahh, Vasa, the pride of Swedish Navy. [i]Sailship[/i] so badly designed it sank before barely leaving the harbour the first time because it was hit by a [i]gust of wind[/i].
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46911216]Should've picked the Vasa ship as your example instead: [t]http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/11834319.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Wow, that's beautifully preserved. Amusing that it survived mainly because of how polluted the water was, though.
[QUOTE=MadBomber;46899033]The Nazis uniforms where designed by Hugo Boss :v:[/QUOTE] That's actually a common misconseption, the uniforms weren't designed by Hugo Boss, Hugo Boss produced german uniforms like many other clothing companies of the time.
[QUOTE=Jukka K;46911354]Ahh, Vasa, the pride of Swedish Navy. [i]Sailship[/i] so badly designed it sank before barely leaving the harbour the first time because it was hit by a [i]gust of wind[/i].[/QUOTE] Oddly similar to what happened to the Mary Rose. The Mary Rose sank because it was an old ass ship that they jammed a load of new cannons on so it was super top heavy and immediately capsized after leaving port. Most of the ship had been covered in a net designed to stop enemy boarders but all it did was stop anyone escaping the ship as it sank.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46909924]It literally costs less money to build a functioning replica than it does to dredge that out of the ocean "intact" and restore it. Half those things will fall the pieces, if not disintegrate, once they're disturbed from their spot let alone dragged up to the surface of the ocean.[/QUOTE] They actually provide a good basis for developing coral reefs. In fact, i've heard of decommissioned warships being sunk for that exact reason.
[QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;46913372]They actually provide a good basis for developing coral reefs. In fact, i've heard of decommissioned warships being sunk for that exact reason.[/QUOTE] Thats what happened to the USS Oriskany. They cleaned her out completely, took out everything that was toxic and scuttled her off the coast of Pensacola. [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Detonations_aboard_the_USS_Oriskany.jpg[/t] [img]http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/us_navy_pages/aircraft_carriers/oriskany_cv_34/cva_34_d.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.electricbluefishing.com/images/oriskany_sinking3.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.floridapanhandledivetrail.com/images/slides/oriskany/1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.drdive.com/assets/images/0018_0907s.jpg[/img] She was sunk in 07 iirc, and has turned into a really really awesome reef. Great fishing and an awesome spot for diving, my personal favorite fishing spot even if it is several hours off shore from me. Theres actually a lot of cool shit dumped off the coast of Florida that was turned into natural reefs. Theres a bunch of M4's Shermans or Sheridans dumped off the coast along with a fuckload of connexes and railcars.
Good looking [url=http://imgur.com/gallery/UQEj3]cosplayer[/url]. I was uncertain at first that this was really good CGI or real pictures.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46914219] [img]http://www.floridapanhandledivetrail.com/images/slides/oriskany/1.jpg[/img] She was sunk in 07 iirc, and has turned into a really really awesome reef. Great fishing and an awesome spot for diving, my personal favorite fishing spot even if it is several hours off shore from me. Theres actually a lot of cool shit dumped off the coast of Florida that was turned into natural reefs. Theres a bunch of M4's Shermans or Sheridans dumped off the coast along with a fuckload of connexes and railcars.[/QUOTE] I would so love to see what it looks like in a century or so...
[img]http://darkroom.shortlist.com/980/b124b6f32728dbe86309c43a300d5dc8:cdbb34c52b7f6d3d37e218d585ce1a1f/88mph-trilogy.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=EskillV2;46920105]Good looking [url=http://imgur.com/gallery/UQEj3]cosplayer[/url]. I was uncertain at first that this was really good CGI or real pictures.[/QUOTE] I think the most amazing thing about this gallery is the comments.
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