What's your opinion on Sexualization/Fan Service/"Waifus" in video games? - General

Unless its shows just way too much and comes out of nowhere (like Quiet from MSGV), I usually don't care. What makes the Quiet thing worse is that dumb reason that she can breathe through her skin so she has to wear near to only bikini clothing (even tho there's a fully clothed version in the option skins), Quiet also has near to zero personality which doesnt help. Bayonneta from Bayonneta (woah) on the other hand, yeah she has lotsa fan service, but that goes along with her personality, She's just a sexy badass witch who kills angels and demons in a mostly crazy world. About the Loli thing (Including 12 years old looking girl who actually has 1000 years thingy), I dont care neither, yeah I found it weird and kinda creepy at first, but now im just fine with it, as long as it is fantasy stuff (Like Kanna from Kobayashi-san Chi No Dragon maid, did I wrote this well?), because there's a big, [B]BIG!!![/B] difference between Fantasy and Reality, Similar to how we love to blow some asshole's head off with a shotgun in a video game like postal 2, but if we ever do that in real life, shit will be fucked up, mate! And about Dem Waifus, I always found it dumb, but if you ever have one, please treat them with care and respect.

I'm against tasteless nudity and over-sexualization. I like sex as part of the story like it was in the Witcher series. Better if you can make decisions which could or could not lead up to it. I like games which have you play out the daily routine of a woman to find all the sex scenes like Lesson of Passion. And games which don't take themselves too seriously and have a sense of humor like Huniepop. Character design wise I find the most boner endusing women when I can create the girl all by myself. But you can still bring me to like the character when you have her story interest me. Katawa Shoujo fucking aced it back in the day. Now I'm addicted to dat Overwatch booty

[t]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/soulcalibur/images/5/53/Soul-calibur-4-ivy.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/275?cb=20140820153200[/t] Ivy, while fanservicey as fuck, is sort of a neat character (Of course, that's probably just because she has a snake sword). Although, it is pretty discouraging that she, along with Hilde and Taki, are probably the most interesting-looking female characters in the whole series, especially when everyone else feels like a generic as fuck school girl with a sword. If anything, those 3 should be on par with the likes of Mitsurugi and Maxi, and there should be like 2 or 3 other female characters who have a design as kickass/strange as Nightmare or Yoshimitsu (Hell, even something like Voldo could work). I will say, I very much prefer Ivy's P2 outfit in Soul Caliber 2 over her default outfit. [t]http://78.media.tumblr.com/2d949006936534eb46781fd6cc8bb99b/tumblr_inline_nblnwj5PfB1rm26td.jpg[/t]

In a sense it's just different appeals to different people. Some games are more sexual than others, and those games are for people who like that kind of thing. It's not inherently worse. As for my opinion, I guess it depends. I don't really mind Nier Automata's ass thing because it's kind of ridiculous and just like that and it fits. But in something that wants me to take it serious it can be really out of place. I've tried playing Fallout and TES with nude mods because in both settings it makes more sense for people to just wear no underwear than identical loincloths and the exact same pair of 200 year old Hanes, but for some reason it's [I]just distracting.[/I] In my own personal opinion though? I hate bikini armor a lot of the time, it can be really obnoxious. Don't tell me some chick is a badass warrior and then have her wearing a slutty outfit with like 95 places to stab her and expect me to take it serious and this- [img]https://i.imgur.com/lA1xt5X.gif[/img] what is- you can't THAT'S

i dont mind its up to the creator if he wants boobs women in his game

Depends on if it fits with the rest of the game's characters and story.

[QUOTE=burgerdemon;52936541]i dont mind its up to the creator if he wants boobs women in his game[/QUOTE] This reminds me of this one comic that's also a point of how I see it [img]http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/998/998987.png[/img] If you like tiddy that's fine but be honest about it don't give me a bunch of half baked lore excuse bullshit as to why the girl's tits are popping out of her shirt

[QUOTE=Skerion;52936440] I will say, I very much prefer Ivy's P2 outfit in Soul Caliber 2 over her default outfit. [/QUOTE] Well, if we're going to discuss Soul Staby series, we cannot go away from the most fanservecy of characters: Voldo. [t]https://i.imgur.com/geDoy26.jpg[/t] Look at that ass!

It’s one of the reasons I probably won’t play Nier and have no interest in it. It seems like they’re selling it entirely on the bait aspect of 2B and I’m sure it has a “plot”, but it’s lost on me when you just shove scantily clad characters in the way to make a statement or whatever

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938097]It’s one of the reasons I probably won’t play Nier and have no interest in it. It seems like they’re selling it entirely on the bait aspect of 2B and I’m sure it has a “plot”, but it’s lost on me when you just shove scantily clad characters in the way to make a statement or whatever[/QUOTE] And you're refusing to play an otherwise amazing game just because of some character designs to make a statement or whatever.

[QUOTE=trollbuster;52938170]And you're refusing to play an otherwise amazing game just because of some character designs to make a statement or whatever.[/QUOTE] I mean if I want to play a game part of me had to be interested in the design and the character are so one dimensional and baity in their design it kinda turns me off from playing it.

[IMG]https://imgur.com/5jjMNth[/IMG][QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938189]I mean if I want to play a game part of me had to be interested in the design and the character are so one dimensional and baity in their design it kinda turns me off from playing it.[/QUOTE] [t]https://i.imgur.com/5jjMNth.jpg[/t] Not trying to be an asshole, but what are your complaints about this?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938189]I mean if I want to play a game part of me had to be interested in the design and the character are so one dimensional and baity in their design it kinda turns me off from playing it.[/QUOTE] many if not most video game characters have butts. you don't hear many people complaining about the fabulous mens asses in the metal gear series

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938097]It’s one of the reasons I probably won’t play Nier and have no interest in it. It seems like they’re selling it entirely on the bait aspect of 2B and I’m sure it has a “plot”, but it’s lost on me when you just shove scantily clad characters in the way to make a statement or whatever[/QUOTE] I thought it was more the reaction towards people getting upset over the butt so it got really popular to spite those people?

While NieR: Automata has undeniably fanservice-y designs, as the creator of the game has honestly admitted that [url=https://www.dualshockers.com/yoko-taro-nier-automata-protagonist-2b-wears-high-heels-just-really-like-girls/]he just really like girls[/url] it really is kind of shallow to just judge the entire game just from that design choice, and in my opinion isn't even scantily clad as most other sexualized video game characters out there (even during gameplay, the game deliberately makes it hard to show an upskirt view of 2B). Literally judging a book by its cover. The narrative is one of the best things in a video game in recent years, it's also a genuinely fun character action game with RPG elements, and the rest of the game world's designs has some excellent and creative visuals, an amazing original soundtrack and it all works out and blends together really well. I even know some people who are on the side of 'hates anything that resembles weeb-ish/anime' and still found a lot of good things to say about the game.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938189]I mean if I want to play a game part of me had to be interested in the design and the character are so one dimensional and baity in their design it kinda turns me off from playing it.[/QUOTE] unless i misunderstood you, you haven't played the game or gone through the plot, how can you be so sure she's a 1-dimensional character?

In addition to 2B's design as well, while yes her outfit is fetish-bait, her design also really comes off as something really empowering too that a lot of female fans are willing to cosplay as comfortably. It's not something as blatant as bikini armor, or something as ridiculous as Ivy from Soul Calibur 3-5's 'pieces of shoulder armor and cloth that covers the nipple and vulva, and it's more of a positive sort of 'sexy' in that 'yes I want to be 2B because she kicks ass and looks pretty while doing it'. Other examples I can think of are Bayonetta, the reboot Lara Croft (arguably her previous design is too) and Zero Suit Samus.

[QUOTE=NachoPiggy;52938325]While NieR: Automata has undeniably fanservice-y designs, as the creator of the game has honestly admitted that [url=https://www.dualshockers.com/yoko-taro-nier-automata-protagonist-2b-wears-high-heels-just-really-like-girls/]he just really like girls[/url] it really is kind of shallow to just judge the entire game just from that design choice, and in my opinion [B]isn't even scantily clad as most other sexualized video game characters out there[/B] (even during gameplay, the game deliberately makes it hard to show an upskirt view of 2B). Literally judging a book by its cover. The narrative is one of the best things in a video game in recent years, it's also a genuinely fun character action game with RPG elements, and the rest of the game world's designs has some excellent and creative visuals, an amazing original soundtrack and it all works out and blends together really well. I even know some people who are on the side of 'hates anything that resembles weeb-ish/anime' and still found a lot of good things to say about the game.[/QUOTE] NieR as a series has a thing for making the female characters of actual importance look nice. Mostly as you said, because Taro has said "man girls are great though", but also as it works with his weirder characterisation ideals like constantly trying to subvert your expectations. Kaine is probably the MOST sexualised fuckin character in the first AND second game by a long shot (tiddies emphasised and a very loose definition of dressed). But it's done purposefully as the rest of her character (foul mouthed psychopath) is the polar opposite of what the player would expect. 2B is nowhere near as sexualised as that, her design (really all of Yorha) just really focuses on making her look cute, again because the character is a stone cold motherfucker and it totally clashes with that design. Their appearances are never really focused on by the game or any characters within the game, the characters just have "prettier than average" designs because that's how Taro rolls, it's not really designed as fan-service straight up.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;52938404]NieR as a series has a thing for making the female characters of actual importance look nice. Mostly as you said, because Taro has said "man girls are great though", [b]but also as it works with his weirder characterisation ideals like constantly trying to subvert your expectations.[/b] Kaine is probably the MOST sexualised fuckin character in the first AND second game by a long shot (tiddies emphasised and a very loose definition of dressed). But it's done purposefully as the rest of her character (foul mouthed psychopath) is the polar opposite of what the player would expect. 2B is nowhere near as sexualised as that, her design (really all of Yorha) just really focuses on making her look cute, again because the character is a stone cold motherfucker and it totally clashes with that design. [b]Their appearances are never really focused on by the game or any characters within the game, the characters just have "prettier than average" designs because that's how Taro rolls, it's not really designed as fan-service straight up.[/b][/QUOTE] Agreed, and thank you, this is a really good summary and description of NieR's character designs, and somewhat to an extent Drakengard, especially 3.

You know I don't mind either way, if it fits the game who am I to judge? But there is something funny I've noticed. Remember how most games journos were always complaining about characters having huge tits? Well I found out how devs avoided this ire. They simply focused their sexualization on ass and/or legs because that never gets anyone angry for some reason. Like if a female character in a gritty sci-fi shooter had huge boobs people would be up in arms, but giving her a huge ass instead? Nobody says a thing.

I've been exposed to so much I don't really care much anymore. Unless it's breaching the territory of basically only pasties covering the bits I don't care either way for fanservicey character designs. What does bother me is when there are moments where like a character's underwear and cameltoe plug up the entire screen and the plot (if there is any) just grinds for a halt for this scene. I don't care if there's panty flashes like if a girl does a kick or something and you'd have to pause for it to be tantalizing, but when all else stops for the fanservice is when I draw the line.

Depends on the game Games like Gal Gun or Senran Kagura, totally fine since thats what I'm paying for and am anticipating. Even more serious titles like some JRPGs are fine since fanservice can come with the territory Quiet in Phantom Pain was admittedly pretty silly though, and even thats not too bad in my book Ive gotten so used to seeing all the sex mods for Skyrim and Fallout that these other examples pale in comparison. It's not going to stop me from purchasing a title I know I'll enjoy, but I won't sit there and claim it isnt silly or out of place

[QUOTE=J.Barnes;52939831]Quiet in Phantom Pain was admittedly pretty silly though, and even thats not too bad in my book[/QUOTE] Considering the male characters in that game franchise... [t]http://www.metalgearinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Vamp-MGS4.jpg[/t] [t]http://www.metalgearinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Naked-Raiden-Captured-MGS2.jpg[/t] It's not like Quiet stands out.

Lets not forget all the Man ass you'll be seeing controlling snake.

If a game is basically "Hey, look at these half-naked ninja girls! Oh and also there's gameplay," then that's fine. They're not pretending to be taken seriously, the game knows it's just fanservice. Let people have their half-naked ninjas. If a game takes itself seriously, but has subtle and relatively realistic fanservice, that's fine. Like someone wearing an outfit with a short skirt, tight pants, or their belly showing. If the fanservice is not quite subtle, but infrequent and still realistic, that's okay. If there [I]is[/I] blatant fanservice but it's optional, something you have to go out of your way for, that's fine. But if your game tries to take itself seriously while you have a naked blue woman sporting ZZ-cup breasts with the physical consistency of jello running around, or a scene of a half naked woman being chased around and almost raped only for it to turn out to be a dream sequence with no relevance to the plot whatsoever, then no, stop, go back, and rethink what you've done.

I don't really care one way or the other, I like a bit of both tiddie and no tiddie, just depends on my mood. What I [i]do[/i] find annoying is how often people complain about it, for or against. I think I've heard enough complaints about XC2's character designs being too sexualized to fill a small novel. Like, if you do or don't like it, great, but I just ignore complaints about fanservice. That's what gets old to me.

I really don't mind as long as it doesn't get in the way of the game/tv show/anime/whatever itself

Fanservice isn't bad on principle. It's bad when it's overdone to an extent that it subtracts value from the experience and steals spotlight from parts of the game that actually matter. Have to also remember that there's a lot more sorts of fanservice possible than anime girls with big honking tits in skimpy clothing. That sort of thing doesn't appeal to me, but instead you could have, say, muscular were-monsters and I'll be there! Fanservice could also mean many other things than enticing visuals. For example storywise long due retribution for some character, being able to play as a fan-favorite and whatnot.

show me the titties

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52941019]These kinds of examples don't work because the intent is entirely different.[/QUOTE] tell me what intent does snake's fabulously perfect butt have if not fanservice [editline]2nd December 2017[/editline] because it sure serviced this fan