Who here actually supports a authoritarian government?
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27833432]You are forgetting the massive increase in industry, and that during the great depression the economy of the USSR improved.[/QUOTE]
The economy usually grows when you give everyone slave labour in the industries to prepare for war. Case in point ; Germany during the years after the first world war until the second world war.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;27834107] You can't remove cultural differences by uniting everyone under the same flag. It wouldn't bring people noticeably closer. Only more efficient communication and interaction can do that.[/QUOTE]
If the government subtly encouraged all nations to become one and set up even more efficient communications and transportation then eventually all nationalities would cease to exist. What's more by slowly uniting humanity as one the challenge of running it would begin to decline as there would be less people revolting for their own nation and a highly connected empire would run efficiently. For example the Romans and Mongols managed to run a huge empire due to communications, whilst China has remained more or less united because most of its people speak the same language and have the same language which brings them closer together. In the case of multicultural Rome it simply collapsed.
You still seem to be ignoring the fact of corruption here. Humans are naturally greedy and power hungry. Hence why dictators almost never act in the interest of the people.
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With democracy, yeah you will inevitably have corruption, but the corrupt person can be voted out and can only become so corrupt before the system of checks and balances gets on their ass. In a dictatorship you dont get that.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;27834545]With democracy, yeah you will inevitably have corruption, but the corrupt person can be voted out and can only become so corrupt before the system of checks and balances gets on their ass. In a dictatorship you dont get that.[/QUOTE]
Look at the Republicans in America. The Russian government. The student riots and poll tax in England. At least if a dictator wants more power he will strengthen the country rather than work against it as so many politicians in democracies do.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834645]Look at the Republicans in America. The Russian government. The student riots and poll tax in England. At least if a dictator wants more power he will strengthen the country rather than work against it as so many politicians in democracies do.[/QUOTE]
To YOU they are working against the country, but to a Republican, they are doing what they feel is right. Who are you to tell them otherwise? Just because you dont like their opinion on the ways things should be doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to have said opinion.
Many people in history thought they were right and that anyone who thought otherwise should be killed or suppressed. It almost NEVER works out.
No - hell no.
I prefer a government that is for the people, made by the people but run by no one.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834645]Look at the Republicans in America. The Russian government. The student riots and poll tax in England. At least if a dictator wants more power he will strengthen the country rather than work against it as so many politicians in democracies do.[/QUOTE]
You know what happens with politicans who work against the people?
They get voted out
What happens with dictators who work against the people?
They kill those who oppose the dictator.
Also if it'd be a nationalistic authoritarian government then I'd agree with it.
[QUOTE=Gregah;27834794]They kill those who oppose the dictator.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes the people deliberately making trouble must be taken care of.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27833079]What Stalin did was cruel, but it was necessary to turn it into a superpower capable of defeating Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]
So, you wouldn't mind being killed as long as it made your country more powerful?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834885]Sometimes the people deliberately making trouble must be taken care of.[/QUOTE]
Then the definition of "making trouble" would just get more and more liberal as the dictator sees fit.
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[QUOTE=TH89;27834928]So, you wouldn't mind being killed as long as it made your country more powerful?[/QUOTE]
Yes. I would die for my country.
I guess its safe to assume that you're stupid.
I've had an idea about a liberalist/socialist single-party state. That way welfare would stay free, there would be full separation of chruch and state, and there would still be freedom of speech and laws wouldn't be oppressive.
But dictatorships doesn't work unless the dictator is like, the wisest guy on earth.
Good things about the Soviet Union:
Huge industrial and political growth.
A huge growth in education funding, literacy skyrockets.
Many scientific discoveries.
Turned a number of Baltic states into gigantic industrial powerhouses rather than defenseless countries which would be easy pray for Nazi Germany. (Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, etc)
More human rights for women than a vast majority of other "civilized" western countries.
Free health care
Bad things about the Soviet Union:
A genocide led by a ruthless paranoid dictator.
Mass deportations and executions in a number of the Baltic states and Poland.
Free press almost nonexistent.
Population living in fear.
Oppression of free speech.
[QUOTE=danelo;27834985]I guess its safe to assume that you're stupid.[/QUOTE]
It is easy to say I am stupid when a large portion of the forum consists of liberal bourgeoisie who would gladly agree with you.
OK Sobotnik, so you live in an authoritarian dictatorship.
Sorry bud, food supplies are down in Sector A due to a famine. We're going to cut food supply to your sector which will probably cause mass starvation, but it will save things in the long run. You will most likely die however, but it's fine because the ends justify the means!
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834973]Yes. I would die for my country.[/QUOTE]
Well, what are you waiting for?
[QUOTE=Explosions;27835046]OK Sobotnik, so you live in an authoritarian dictatorship.
Sorry bud, food supplies are down in Sector A due to a famine. We're going to cut food supply to your sector which will probably cause mass starvation, but it will save things in the long run. You will most likely die however, but it's fine because the ends justify the means![/QUOTE]
As long as it would lead to the unification of the human race it would be good in the long run. As long as there is more than a single nation on earth we will continue to remain backwards in ever constant conflict with one another till we eventually nuke ourselves off the face of the earth.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835019]It is easy to say I am stupid when a large portion of the forum consists of liberal bourgeoisie who would gladly agree with you.[/QUOTE]
I would more say something along the lines of: "Its safe to assume you are a sociopathic nutjob?"
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834885]Sometimes the people deliberately making trouble must be taken care of.[/QUOTE]
You realize how loose of a term that is right?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834973]Yes. I would die for my country.[/QUOTE]
You should commit suicide right now, it means one less person to feed and your parents will have more money, meaning they can buy more which in the end helps your country.
WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE HERE.
This is all degenerating into personal attacks on me.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835108]WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE HERE.
This is all degenerating into personal attacks on me.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835090]As long as it would lead to the unification of the human race it would be good in the long run.[/QUOTE]
There's no point in being completely selfless.
An authoritarian government is only good if you have the dough/throne/gun.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835019]It is easy to say I am stupid when a large portion of the forum consists of liberal bourgeoisie who would gladly agree with you.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure a majority of the forum members are of the working class or lower middleclass and not bourgeoisie.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835108]WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE HERE.
This is all degenerating into personal attacks on me.[/QUOTE]
Its pretty clear that you are in fact a sociopath if you feel that its perfectly OK to kill people simply because they disagree with you.
[QUOTE=Gregah;27835153]I'm pretty sure a majority of the forum members are of the working class or lower middleclass and not bourgeoisie.[/QUOTE]
Bourgeoisie as in, under their influence, young people tend to be liberals whilst old people are conservatives.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;27835156]Its pretty clear that you are in fact a sociopath if you feel that its perfectly OK to kill people simply because they disagree with you.[/QUOTE]
That is different from openly causing revolt and trouble.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835108]WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE HERE.
This is all degenerating into personal attacks on me.[/QUOTE]
Not really, but if you want to open that can of worm to stop having to meet the arguments from the other side then fine by me.
I have a really hard time understanding your train of thought, where people are things you can easily throw away, where dictatorship and people demonstrating against said dictatorship means that the ones complaining should be killed instead of taking care of the one causing the problem and where somehow dictatorships are not places that breed corruption as frequently as democratic countries (hint ; giving absolute power to one person instead of distributing it to thousands of poeple means that a country lives and dies through the actions of one man who is just human) means you're in for a tough ride.
It's also being called a sociopath with no connection to the real life, because damn... History has shown time after time that authoritan regimes die from suffocating, with countless people dead and said people having to rebuild everything.
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