Who here actually supports a authoritarian government?
105 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835194]
That is different from openly causing revolt and trouble.[/QUOTE]
No it really isnt. When people rebel it is because their ideas differ from the governments, and they have no way to peacefully change the government (IE: Dictatorship), so they have to take action to incite change. Killing these people is killing them because they threaten you power due to the fact that they disagree with you.
So yes, you are killing them for disagreeing with you.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835194]That is different from openly causing revolt and trouble.[/QUOTE]
Take this from a liberal democratic socialist, free speech activist, human rights activist, gender equality activist, freedom of information activist and ex-anarchist: Why do you think they revolt?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835194]Bourgeoisie as in, under their influence, young people tend to be liberals whilst old people are conservatives.
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You don't know the meaning of bourgeoise then, I assume.
[QUOTE=Gregah;27835251]History has shown time after time that authoritan regimes die from suffocating, with countless people dead and said people having to rebuild everything.[/QUOTE]
Time as in several centuries, which is a lot longer than democracies last.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835108]WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE HERE.
This is all degenerating into personal attacks on me.[/QUOTE]
So for all your advocacy of strength and sacrifice you can't even handle being made fun of on an internet forum? Some authoritarian you are.
[editline]3rd February 2011[/editline]
The funny thing is if I banned you for the greater good of the forum you'd probably complain.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835318]Time as in several centuries, which is a lot longer than democracies last.[/QUOTE]
A lot of democratic governments are still very much alive after over a few centuries, such as france, england, iceland and USA to name a few.
The same can't be said about dictatorships who rarely last longer than the lifetime of the dictator, which usually ends with civil war when people try to take control.
I've yet to see a democratic country who errupts into a power struggle when a president dies/ends their election.
[editline]3rd February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;27835478]So for all your advocacy of strength and sacrifice you can't even handle being made fun of on an internet forum? Some authoritarian you are.
[editline]3rd February 2011[/editline]
The funny thing is if I banned you for the greater good of the forum you'd probably complain.[/QUOTE]
So I'm curious, what would he be banned for?
OH nevermind, he won't mind because he'll recieve the treatment he wishes upon people who disturb the peace of the dictator(in this case, you)
[QUOTE=TH89;27835478]The funny thing is if I banned you for the greater good of the forum you'd probably complain.[/QUOTE]
But he isn't being racist
Sod it. Some of you may come round to authoritarianism one day or drift from it, but I don't want to continue the thread any more if most of the people in it are basically lumping me in with the bad dictators and going derpaderp.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835672]Sod it. Some of you may come round to authoritarianism one day or drift from it, but I don't want to continue the thread any more if most of the people in it are basically lumping me in with the bad dictators and going derpaderp.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to reality. History proves that authoritarianism is a bad idea.
You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they revolt?
I can't come up with any recent examples of good dictators. The strongest and best dictators have been dead for thousands of years. Recent dictators, even if they succeeded in their own lifetimes, [i]even[/i] if they were good even as humans (which many of them weren't), they failed to build empires that'd significantly outlast them and continue flourishing after their death.
[QUOTE=Gregah;27835506]So I'm curious, what would he be banned for?
OH nevermind, he won't mind because he'll recieve the treatment he wishes upon people who disturb the peace of the dictator(in this case, you)[/QUOTE]
I don't need a reason if I'm an authoritarian dictator.
Fortunately for Sobotnik, Facepunch has enough freedom of speech that he can advocate systems that don't.
No, just no.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835672]Sod it. Some of you may come round to authoritarianism one day or drift from it, but I don't want to continue the thread any more if most of the people in it are basically lumping me in with the bad dictators and going derpaderp.[/QUOTE]
You know, it's a lot easier to just admit that you are wrong instead of attacking invisible enemies (the claim people attack you personally) and pulling the 'no true scotsman' argument.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27833079]Indeed, that is one problem with dictators. However in another case a dictatorship is quite a good form of government. What Stalin did was cruel, but it was necessary to turn it into a superpower capable of defeating Nazi Germany. Many of the Russian peasants he killed were themselves cruel as well. If you were a petty robber in a village the peasants would simply castrate you or cut off your limbs. One priest who suffered after the collapse of the Tsarist empire had his eyes pulled out and one widow who lived in a manor had her pet dog killed by them and left on her doorstep. She committed suicide.
Although he killed millions, he helped saved many more who would have been wiped out by the Germans.[/QUOTE]
Utilitarianism DOES NOT WORK
I think the best form of government would be a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy]Technocracy[/url].
You are not going to find many people that will not go on a power trip and do some bad shit, the best thing would be having every countries leaders form a one-world government, then you would have 200+ people rule the entire world effectively as one body.
[QUOTE=Psycho_Shadow;27832958]You left out the part where Stalin had 10,000,000+ people killed then erased from history.[/QUOTE]
Apparently he didn't do a good enough job! :eng101:
:v:
[QUOTE=FPSMango;27839099]I think the best form of government would be a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy]Technocracy[/url].[/QUOTE]
nevermind, this sounds a lot better after I read about it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27833621]Not on the streets, but everywhere. Look at xenophobic people, westboro baptist church, etc. People who are murdered in cities for their nationality or religion. And money wasted on raising large and pointless monuments to the one true faith whilst people attack each other for this.
By simply removing every religion, all languages apart from one and every nationality (It's easier now we have the internet which is already doing that, however at a slow pace) then we will be united as one race. The Human race.
[b]Multiculturalism and such encouraged by the bourgeoisie of today may sound responsible and noble but in reality by dividing up groups of people further by encouraging people to celebrate what they do will antagonize others no matter how tolerant the nation claims to be.[/b][/QUOTE]
I agree. When we have multiculturalism, it's noble and all but it makes us see our differences and not our similarities.
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I'm talking about accepting other people's views and cultures, just don't shove it down everyone's throats.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834973]Yes. I would die for my country.[/QUOTE]
Countries are hardly worth dying for. As much as we don't want to think about it, a country is nothing more than an assemblage of people of a certain race taking control over a territory, and fighting wars over it. There is nothing glorious about that.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27835019]liberal bourgeoisie[/QUOTE]
I don't even
[QUOTE=Extroll;27841193]I agree. When we have multiculturalism, it's noble and all but it makes us see our differences and not our similarities.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, you're wrong. It might make YOU see our differences and not our similarities, but that's because you're probably not having friends of different cultures. The culture of a country is constantly changing and what we see as "our" culture and "their" culture is going to be "our" culture in the future.
[QUOTE=FPSMango;27839099]I think the best form of government would be a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy]Technocracy[/url].[/QUOTE]
Expected some sort of meme.
But what I'm reading doesn't sound bad.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;27841393]I don't even[/QUOTE]
Those things happen when you're a kid in your teenage years who want to sound smart, so you take words that seem cool and combine them without even the slightest clue what they mean.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27834973]Yes. I would die for my country.[/QUOTE]
When it's your country killing you? (Because dictators do that sometimes. :v:)
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27833621]By simply removing every religion, all languages apart from one and every nationality (It's easier now we have the internet which is already doing that, however at a slow pace) then we will be united as one race. The Human race.
Multiculturalism and such encouraged by the bourgeoisie of today may sound responsible and noble but in reality by dividing up groups of people further by encouraging people to celebrate what they do will antagonize others no matter how tolerant the nation claims to be.[/QUOTE]
that's like
against the very grain of my existence
it's stupid to believe all people have the same needs in their lives
some people want to worship god, other people want to paint, other people want to clean trash
stop being such a creep
[QUOTE=thisispain;27841633]that's like
against the very grain of my existence
it's stupid to believe all people have the same needs in their lives
some people want to worship god, other people want to paint, other people want to clean trash
stop being such a creep[/QUOTE]
NO SHUT UP we cant possibly be a single harmonious race unless we all are exactly like him yOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;27841663]NO SHUT UP we cant possibly be a single harmonious race unless we all are exactly like him yOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT[/QUOTE]
stupid liberal bourgeoises
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;27841663]NO SHUT UP we cant possibly be a single harmonious race unless we all are exactly like him yOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT[/QUOTE]
that would be boring as fuck
i'd shoot myself in the head if we were one single harmonious race
i'm already bored of the same homogeneous society we have right now, anymore more homogeneity and i'd be dicking myself in the eye
or shoot myself in the head or whatever