[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51293025]So what point did you guys give your lives?[/QUOTE]as a musician i'm going either to the top or to the gutter, and i intend to go for the top.
so what makes you so desperate that you have nothing in your life but looking over your shoulder in the hope that there's a creepy-peepy ghost/demon/alien stalking you?
Lol you guys are making assumptions here I never said anything about what gives my life meaning. Ive actually only been asking questions to you guys and I dont think ive mentioned any beliefs that I have. Im just making conversation about some thoughts in my head. What makes you guys jump at me like that for asking some questions about life? Is it a touchy subject for you guys?
[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51293025]So what point did you guys give your lives?[/QUOTE]
I shitpost on internet forums.
It's only marginally better than fantasizing about paranormal crap but meh.
[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51292930]Damn so you guys just believe in this boring life that has nothing special in it and no point?[/QUOTE]
why does life have to have a point? does everything have to have a point? and if so, what point does the afterlife have? is it leading to an after-afterlife? and if I'm gonna spend literally eternity wandering around some other plane, what's the point of the handful of years i spend on this one? wouldn't the vastness of an afterlife render my life here basically worthless? over in the blink of an eye?
we [I]are[/I] the special thing in the universe dude. in the entirety of the known universe there's nothing else that comes close to the miracle of life. there's so much beauty and splendor in every single thing that you can't possibly believe life is boring.
[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51293127]Lol you guys are making assumptions here I never said anything about what gives my life meaning. Ive actually only been asking questions to you guys and I dont think ive mentioned any beliefs that I have. Im just making conversation about some thoughts in my head. What makes you guys jump at me like that for asking some questions about life? Is it a touchy subject for you guys?[/QUOTE]
Well, you asked the question in a manner that kinda implies that not believing in anything paranormal is essentially equal to living a boring life with no point.
[QUOTE=DudeGuyKT;51293149]why does life have to have a point? does everything have to have a point? and if so, what point does the afterlife have? is it leading to an after-afterlife? and if I'm gonna spend literally eternity wandering around some other plane, what's the point of the handful of years i spend on this one? wouldn't the vastness of an afterlife render my life here basically worthless? over in the blink of an eye?
we [I]are[/I] the special thing in the universe dude. in the entirety of the known universe there's nothing else that comes close to the miracle of life. there's so much beauty and splendor in every single thing that you can't possibly believe life is boring.[/QUOTE]
Yea you are correct. But after a while doesnt the beauty of it all just become normal? Its not like we know anything else. Doesnt the beauty wear off after a while and you realize youre just a spec on a rock working till youre like 60 at the same job day in and day out and for what. I guess if youre lucky enough to have your dream job then maybe life is more than that for you but many people dont get that.
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[QUOTE=antianan;51293164]Well, you asked the question in a manner that kinda implies that not believing in anything paranormal is essentially equal to living a boring life with no point.[/QUOTE]
Well thats one perspective. I actually believe what all you guys are saying but I also tend to play devils advocate heavier when im not 100 percent sure about something.
[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51292930]Damn so you guys just believe in this boring life that has nothing special in it and no point?[/QUOTE]
It's not my fault life is the way it is. My beliefs are based on reality, not on wishful thinking.
i believe in ghosts, aliens, demons, angels, mermaids, yetis, bunyips, sasquatches, black dogs, black eyed children, the bilderberg group, meme magic, melanin theory, tarot cards, genies, nibiru, the red pill, the blue pill, the green pill, the freemasons, scp, reptilians, alchemy, the vril, tulpas, skinwalkers, fleshgaits, succubi, kirlian photography, phrenology, luminiferous aether, n-rays, trepanning, animism, red mercury, chupacabras, slenderman, the firmament, the flat earth, the grandline earth, the hollow earth, the young earth, indigo children, UFOs, alchemy, dianetics, divination, dowsing, ancient astronauts, the loch ness monster, lycanthropy, geocentricism, the tabula smaragdina, ectoplasm enemas, remote viewing, the mandela effect, area 51, hidden spatial dimensions, vampires, zombies, intelligent design, transgender michelle obama, phlogiston, the bermuda triangle, cubical octet atoms, the bloop, haarp, cthulu, fan death, the hologram moon, animal electricity and crystal healing
[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51292930]Damn so you guys just believe in this boring life that has nothing special in it and no point?[/QUOTE]
yes
and once I die there will be nothingness, that's just he way I believe it is
life isn't boring though, this world is amazingly complex and has a scary mix of absolutely fucking awful and amazingly beautiful
our existence is unnecessary but we're programmed to want to survive, so here we are
so while i'm at it my life goal is to expand on what my father has built, and pass it onto my children, and have a damn jolly good time along the way, until i can eventually die and not worry about the batshit fucking insane parts of existence anymore
[DEL]I believe in Trump.
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I believe in science and not some spooky ghosts.
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and once I die there will be nothingness, that's just he way I believe it is
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Just because there may be nothing after we die doesn't mean there aren't ghosts, it also doesn't mean there are so don't misquote me.
There are plenty of people, myself included, who have had some very strange experiences. It is entirely possible that there could be something that creates or causes what people perceive as ghosts with no requirement for an afterlife or souls.
I don't believe in that but I believe in probability or rng as gamers would call it of things usually going wrong or the opposite, this also applies to malformed vegetables/fruits or shit like that jesus toast its all a random probability occurrence.
[QUOTE=spectator1;51293858]I don't believe in that but I believe in probability or rng as gamers would call it of things usually going wrong or the opposite, this also applies to malformed vegetables/fruits or shit like that jesus toast its all a random probability occurrence.[/QUOTE]
I.e. you refuse determinism?
I mean determinism does imply some degree of fatalism, which would go in the way of the paranormal, but I don't think that's the only way. When a picture of jesus gets burned into a toast, it doesn't have to imply it's a message from God or what have you just because it was predestined to happen. It's just a part of the orchestrated chaos. Random-but-not-really if you will.
But yeah, in day-to-day life, essentially what we perceive isn't awfully predictable so it's pointless to think life deterministic - the same way it's pointless to think about how molecules bond when baking a pie.
[QUOTE=E7Fan;51293845]Just because there may be nothing after we die doesn't mean there aren't ghosts, it also doesn't mean there are so don't misquote me.
There are plenty of people, myself included, who have had some very strange experiences. It is entirely possible that there could be something that creates or causes what people perceive as ghosts with no requirement for an afterlife or souls.[/QUOTE]
i personally think strong emotions might leave some sort of imprint on the environment that we and animals are able to pick up on long after the event has passed. not so much spirits but a sort of natural phenomenon that we haven't developed the tools to detect
I want to believe
I want to believe bigfoot is real so that one day society will accept him and his species and I can get a Sasquatch roommate.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51294110]i personally think strong emotions might leave some sort of imprint on the environment that we and animals are able to pick up on long after the event has passed. not so much spirits but a sort of natural phenomenon that we haven't developed the tools to detect[/QUOTE]
Based on what? Everything we know about how emotions work suggests that such a thing makes no sense. It's [I] possible[/I] that some process exists which contradicts everything we know about how the brain functions, but it's an enormous claim that would require a complete paradigm shift in neuroscience. Massive claims require massive evidence. When all you've got in the way of evidence is (dubious) witness testimony of (subjective) interpretations of (vague and inconsistent) memories of (fallible) sensory experiences, against the entire body of research on neuroscience, you do not have a very strong case. What is the simplest explanation: that our senses are fallible (which is a fact, btw), with our brains filling in the gaps of sensory input leading to occasional odd fuck-ups that people interpret as paranormal due to social and psychological factors, or that a property of the mind that is completely undocumented and unsubstantiated by any compelling evidence, that's completely inconsistent with everything we know about how the brain works, that you don't even have the vaguest idea of what process actually causes it, is causing people to leave 'emotional imprints' on the environment? One is an extremely well-docomented psychological phenomenon that jives perfectly with everything else we know about the brain, the other is the exact opposite. What makes you think that emotional imprints are more likely?
[QUOTE=Heatvision...;51293182]Yea you are correct. But after a while doesnt the beauty of it all just become normal? Its not like we know anything else. Doesnt the beauty wear off after a while and you realize youre just a spec on a rock working till youre like 60 at the same job day in and day out and for what. I guess if youre lucky enough to have your dream job then maybe life is more than that for you but many people dont get that.
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Acceptance that sometimes life isn't more than what it seems is natural progression of the mind. The idea of something greater or unfathomable is entertaining, but without it life doesn't become dull. When you accept the limitations of the world, you can make the most of what you can and enjoy things from social connections to new experiences. Life isn't all about wondering if we're just a speck in space that's just the ground to some sort of cosmic entity.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51295070]Based on what? Everything we know about how emotions work suggests that such a thing makes no sense. It's [I] possible[/I] that some process exists which contradicts everything we know about how the brain functions, but it's an enormous claim that would require a complete paradigm shift in neuroscience. Massive claims require massive evidence. When all you've got in the way of evidence is (dubious) witness testimony of (subjective) interpretations of (vague and inconsistent) memories of (fallible) sensory experiences, against the entire body of research on neuroscience, you do not have a very strong case. What is the simplest explanation: that our senses are fallible (which is a fact, btw), with our brains filling in the gaps of sensory input leading to occasional odd fuck-ups that people interpret as paranormal due to social and psychological factors, or that a property of the mind that is completely undocumented and unsubstantiated by any compelling evidence, that's completely inconsistent with everything we know about how the brain works, that you don't even have the vaguest idea of what process actually causes it, is causing people to leave 'emotional imprints' on the environment? One is an extremely well-docomented psychological phenomenon that jives perfectly with everything else we know about the brain, the other is the exact opposite. What makes you think that emotional imprints are more likely?[/QUOTE]
i never said that emotional imprints are the most likely reason, its just what i like thinking about. when discussing fringe topics i like to dip into the fringe mindset because i gain nothing looking at such topics from a materialistic point of view. so, i like to suspend my disbelief and look at the more wild, crazy theories about such things. it isn't like it really matters whether or not i actually believe if its magical emotional imprinting or spooky dead people knocking about or just the normal failings of the human mind. i'm under no delusion my opinion on such things actually matters, so i decide that i may as well go with the more "wacky" shit. now granted, i have experienced some shit which, as far as i have seen, has not been satisfactorily explained by current scientific research, but that's more parapsychological than ghosts and ghouls. this, however, has had an influence in opening my mind up to the more fringe, immaterial ideas of the world.
life's not always about being the most scientifically right, sometimes its good to let go of that shit and explore the more subjective parts of the human experience from the subjective point of view.
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