Do you believe in E.T. life? - General

[QUOTE=pal670;28563532]Well fact is with a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of life in the Universe (which we are currently nearing) it still means there must be thousands of planets sustaining a form of life. That is a very very very pessimistic view also, so you can only look up. [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] Goldi-locks can suck my dick.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rad McCool;28563554]Where did you get this number from?[/QUOTE] Indeed, where did you get the from. Chance is not evidence. Therefore you have to see you believe there is a [B]chance[/B] of E.T like life somewhere. But instead you see there [B]is[/B]. That's a difference, yo.

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;28560120]How is it obvious? We don't know how it's formed or exactly what requirements are necessary.[/QUOTE] Oh so now everything we dont understand should be considered magic now? thats not how science works. [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rad McCool;28560254]How is it obvious? Intuition is not science.[/QUOTE] we have 2000000000000000000000 planets. Now lets say that life happens for every billion (its probably way less rare then that) that leaves us with 2000000000000 planets with life in them. [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cornelisjuh;28564242]Indeed, where did you get the from. Chance is not evidence. Therefore you have to see you believe there is a [B]chance[/B] of E.T like life somewhere. But instead you see there [B]is[/B]. That's a difference, yo.[/QUOTE] Everything in science is based on chance in one way or the other. The chance is so high that ts easier to say it is.

But the truth is it isnt. There aren't many things in science that work with chances. Albert Einstein didn't say there was a chance there is relativity, he knew there is. Science is based on facts and results, not on chances or likeness.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28565492]we have 2000000000000000000000 planets. Now lets say that life happens for every billion (its probably way less rare then that) that leaves us with 2000000000000 planets with life in them.[/QUOTE] Let's say life happens for every 2^*10^21 planets. That leaves us with 1 planet with life. What's your point?

Hypothesis are though. And there is always a chance that a theory can be shown to be wrong by the gaps in data they have (even though its rare) You have to look at it realistically. when there is almost a 100% of there being life out there then the logical thing to do is believe it.

[QUOTE=Nightsure;28561353]I don't believe it exists, I [I]know[/I] it exists.[/QUOTE] great assertion very scientific bro [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cornelisjuh;28565645]But the truth is it isnt. There aren't many things in science that work with chances. Albert Einstein didn't say there was a chance there is relativity, he knew there is. Science is based on facts and results, not on chances or likeness.[/QUOTE] Someone's never heard of quantum mechanics!

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;28566226]Let's say life happens for every 2^*10^21 planets. That leaves us with 1 planet with life. What's your point?[/QUOTE] Good thing it probably doesn't. My point is that there isn't something magical about life. Water and carbon (if life for some reason can only happen with those 2 things) are all around the universe. The fact that it happened once and nothing extremely out of the ordinary happened to earth shows that there is almost definitely life out there. You would have to show that life is way to complex to happen any were else in the universe.

But why would you believe in something that has no evidence ? Almost 100% doesn't make 100% therefore you can't just say "the logical thing to do is believe it" cause you will be believing something that can't be proven. And that's still your choice and I respect that but don't tell people "it's the truth" and "there's no other way around" cause you are simply lying. Thread is overflowing from irony from the ihatereligion-people.

[QUOTE=swno1;28551769]Explain to me exactly how you just happened to miss Earth? For as long as we exist, I want to belive[/QUOTE] Extraterrestrials haven't visited earth.

There is evidence. You don't have to show a black hole to show that its possible. The same with life (even though we have an example). while it is true that I can die tomorrow I will believe I will live tomorrow because the chances of it are high. Same with life on other planets. I dont think its 100% ut like I said something that is so close to it should be believed. This is nothing like religion because this does have proof. don"t you get it? statistically its so likely that to believe that somehow we are the only ones is illogical.

Fact is we know NOTHING in science, we know that things happen a certain way, then we try to think of a reason for it to happen. Such as gravity, we know it's there, we don't know how or why, but it is. And quantum mechanics if you study it, is such a clusterfuck you would think a 4yr old made it up, it is just that crazy, nothing is known about anything really. Such as the Double Slit Experiment, shows that even the wackiest shit can happen, so finding life on the pentillions of quadrillions of trillions of billions of millions of galaxies is not such a far throw.. The fact is, by the numbers alone, I KNOW there is life out there, what type, how much or where, that is the question.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28566462]There is evidence. You don't have to show a black hole to show that its possible. The same with life (even though we have an example). while it is true that I can die tomorrow I will believe I will live tomorrow because the chances of it are high. Same with life on other planets. I dont think its 100% ut like I said something that is so close to it should be believed. This is nothing like religion because this does have proof. don"t you get it? statistically its so likely that to believe that somehow we are the only ones is illogical.[/QUOTE] You have evidence of extraterrestrial life? Show me. (Also, science doesn't work on statistics. Sorry)

[QUOTE=pal670;28566473]Fact is we know NOTHING in science[/QUOTE] wrong. that is all. [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jookia;28566483]You have evidence of extraterrestrial life? Show me. (Also, science doesn't work on statistics. Sorry)[/QUOTE] Of course science works on statistics. But if you want proof then you can look at an example, us. really there is a reason almost all scientist believe in other life. I mean almost 100% is better then some theories which could only work if another thoery is false. WHy dont you get it? almost 100% is very fucking likely. By saying science doesnt work on statistics then you need to look at what a hypothesis is. Sure its not a fact but god some can get very close.

[QUOTE=pal670;28566473]Fact is we know NOTHING in science, we know that things happen for a reason we try to verify even if it is impossible. Such as gravity, we know it's there, we don't know how or why, but it is. And quantum mechanics if you study it, is such a clusterfuck you would think a 4yr old made it up, it is just that crazy, nothing is known about anything really. The fact is, by the numbers alone, I KNOW there is life out there, what type, how much or where, that is the question.[/QUOTE] No there isn't. And you are comparing general science with quantum mechanics. And with quantum mechanics we know things based on facts and results. There is absolutely 0% evidence for life somewhere else.] You are just changing the subject cause deep in your heart, you know there is no evidence. If I said there is a God somewhere in the universe would you believe it (Reason from God living on a planet) ? The truth is the conditions are exactly the same. You haven't seen him. You haven't heard him. But only the fact there are lot's of planets would make you believe there is ?

[QUOTE=pal670;28566473]Fact is we know NOTHING in science, we know that things happen a certain way, then we try to think of a reason for it to happen. Such as gravity, we know it's there, we don't know how or why, but it is. And quantum mechanics if you study it, is such a clusterfuck you would think a 4yr old made it up, it is just that crazy, nothing is known about anything really. Such as the Double Slit Experiment, shows that even the wackiest shit can happen, so finding life on the pentillions of quadrillions of trillions of billions of millions of galaxies is not such a far throw.. The fact is, by the numbers alone, I KNOW there is life out there, what type, how much or where, that is the question.[/QUOTE] If you think quantum mechanics sounds like a 4-year-old made it up it's probably because you have a 4-year-old's understanding of it.

So what is gravity? What creates it, show me PROOF actual PROOF, so therefore gravity doesn't exist? [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28566546]If you think quantum mechanics sounds like a 4-year-old made it up it's probably because you have a 4-year-old's understanding of it.[/QUOTE] No no, it is understandable, what I am saying is, it revokes so much of traditional science, that it is a clusterfuck of manliness.

[QUOTE=pal670;28566552]So what is gravity? What creates it, show me PROOF actual PROOF, so therefore gravity doesn't exist? [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] No no, it is understandable, what I am saying is, it revokes so much of traditional science, that it is a clusterfuck of manliness.[/QUOTE] Holy molly the proof is that you are on the ground and other proof that you could look up with google.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28566502]Of course science works on statistics. But if you want proof then you can look at an example, us. really there is a reason almost all scientist believe in other life. I mean almost 100% is better then some theories which could only work if another thoery is false.[/QUOTE] Just because we exist doesn't mean that there's evidence for extraterrestrial life. It means that it's likely there's extraterrestrial life.

And like I said before. its a very likely hypothesis. Something doesnt automatically have to be a theory be a logical belief. Oh and isn't the current understanding of the big bang based on quantum mechanics which is based on chance.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28566597]And like I said before. its a very likely hypothesis. Something doesnt automatically have to be a theory be a logical belief.[/QUOTE] it is a logical belief, but [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=28566462#post28566462]you said you had evidence[/url] and I wanted to see it. Likely isn't evidence. The Higgs boson is likely to exist, but there's no evidence that it does exist.

[QUOTE=pal670;28566552]So what is gravity? What creates it, show me PROOF actual PROOF, so therefore gravity doesn't exist? No no, it is understandable, what I am saying is, it revokes so much of traditional science, that it is a clusterfuck of manliness.[/QUOTE] Boohoo, quit with the screaming. If you can't discuss normal, leave. We know there is gravity cause we experience it everyday. The fact we don't know what's causing it doesn't mean it's not there cause we experience gravity every day. We haven't experienced non-earth life, that's the reason it doesn't excist. Just the fact there are lot's of planets doesn't mean there is such life.

It is. It's like seeing a drop of water on Earth in a desert, it is only feasable that there is more of it elsewhere not in the current vicinity. I know currently we don't 100% have proof from science or discoveries, but I know 100% personally that there is.

likely hood is proof. You cant make a likely hood of something without proof to base that likely hood on.

[QUOTE=pal670;28566649]It is. It's like seeing a drop of water on Earth in a desert, it is only feasable that there is more of it elsewhere not in the current vicinity. I know currently we don't 100% have proof from science or discoveries, but I know 100% personally that there is.[/QUOTE] Again you are lying. You have no arguments. Fact : You can't say something is when there is no proof.

As someone stated the Boson Ptcl isn't PROVEN to exist but the scientists believe 100% that it does, that's why they invest so much money in it, but it is not ACTUALLY proven.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28566650]likely hood is proof. You cant make a likely hood of something without proof to base that likely hood on.[/QUOTE] So I can tell the future? It's likely that where I live won't be flooded today, therefore it's proof that where I live won't be flooded today!

[QUOTE=Jookia;28566680]So I can tell the future? It's likely that where I live won't be flooded today, therefore it's proof that where I live won't be flooded today![/QUOTE] If you there was never a flood in your house then yes that is proof that there will most likely not be one the next day.

[QUOTE=pal670;28566675]As someone stated the Boson Ptcl isn't PROVEN to exist but the scientists believe 100% that it does, that's why they invest so much money in it, but it is not ACTUALLY proven.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=pal670;28566675]the Boson Ptcl[/QUOTE] The... what!?

[QUOTE=pal670;28566675]As someone stated the Boson Ptcl isn't PROVEN to exist but the scientists believe 100% that it does, that's why they invest so much money in it, but it is not ACTUALLY proven.[/QUOTE] The reason they invest so much money in it is to discover if it's real. The whole CERN thing can be a big dissapoint if the Boson particle doesn't excist. But that's the risk they are willing to take. Again, don't change the subject. You are just making yourself look silly. You are comparing science with believings of your own. [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28566701]The... what!?[/QUOTE] I think he is talking about a Boson Peripheral T-cell lymphoma ? V:v:V

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28566701]The... what!?[/QUOTE] Boson Particle, for some reason after doing my QP papers I used ptcl lol.