Can an Abortion Doctor Legally Tell You Not To Get An Abortion - General

I'm sitting in this abortion clinic with my friend, and this doctor is saying all kinds of shit like "don't do this keep your baby, this is so much bigger than you" and a bunch of other stupid shit that makes me want to punch him in the face. Like we've already made up our mind we don't need a doctor telling us how to live our lives, just take the money and shut up. Anyways, does anybody know if this is illegal, I'm trying to figure out how I should go about telling this doctor to fuck off kindly.

I believe it is, but either way doctors should not be doing this. It just tells you that the fucker is incompetent and doesn't care about your choices.

Like, why the fuck would a pro-life doctor work at an abortion clinic...

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43883459]Like, why the fuck would a pro-life doctor work at an abortion clinic...[/QUOTE] To make people not abort their kids

Tell the quack to shut the fuck up & perform the procedure, or expect a complaint filed regarding grossly unprofessional behavior.

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43883374]I'm trying to figure out how I should go about telling this doctor to fuck off kindly.[/QUOTE] I'm thinking you should just tell him to fuck off.

Depending on the state you live in, they may be required by law to try and discourage you as much as possible. Because the state lawmakers there are at war with cervixes.

"give me the abortion or give me a chainsaw" kidding but like maybe making some kind of threat to take your business elsewhere could help?

I am abortion doctor so I can confirm this

Or you could not kill your kid? [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] I found out that I'm going to be a dad as of yesterday and I don't consider my child as a curse or inconvenience. It's going to be really hard to be ready to care for this baby but who am I to say that my happiness is more important than my child's? Am I worth more because I've experienced life outside of the womb? I refuse to make a defenseless human being pay their life for my irresponsibility.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43886511]Or you could not kill your kid? [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] I found out that I'm going to be a dad as of yesterday and I don't consider my child as a curse or inconvenience. It's going to be really hard to be ready to care for this baby but who am I to say that my happiness is more important than my child's? Am I worth more because I've experienced life outside of the womb? I refuse to make a defenseless human being pay their life for my irresponsibility.[/QUOTE] So, you must surrender the next 20 years of your life because of a biological activity that might be entirely unintended and unwanted? What if it was an accident and the parents are not financially able to support a child? You would put biological mechanisms over poverty and suffering for the fetus that biological mechanism produces. What is the sense in this?!

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43886995]So, you must surrender the next 20 years of your life because of a biological activity that might be entirely unintended and unwanted? What if it was an accident and the parents are not financially able to support a child? You would put biological mechanisms over poverty and suffering for the fetus that biological mechanism produces. What is the sense in this?![/QUOTE] I will surrender the rest of my life to care for my child because, regardless of intention or desire, it's the consequence of sex and a responsibility to care for what many people consider a gift. Besides, having a child isn't as life ending as people pretend it is.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43887077]I will surrender the rest of my life to care for my child because, regardless of intention or desire, it's the consequence of sex and a responsibility to care for what many people consider a gift. Besides, having a child isn't as life ending as people pretend it is.[/QUOTE] That's cool man, and you're absolutely right in this post, but this is him and his girlfriend I assume? Anyways it's their choice and theirs alone, they don't need to be told what they can or can't do and they sure don't need to be judged. Also, it's not even a person yet anyways, it's just a collection of cells that cannot express being conscious, because it isn't unless it's really late term, but that's a whole different argument. (And honestly I don't even know if a baby is ever truly conscious until it's actually born, but again that doesn't apply here.)

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43886019]Tell the quack to shut the fuck up & perform the procedure, or expect a complaint filed regarding grossly unprofessional behavior.[/QUOTE] To call it grossly unprofessional is ridiculous.

Maybe the doc was just trying to be supportive/ or to make sure you or your friend really want to go through with it. It is a tough decision to make regardless of your stance on abortion. I would seek counseling for you/your friend after, you may go through some difficult stuff and it would be best to get some help. A friend of mine went through the same thing and she was messed up in the head for a while until we finally convinced her to see someone about it. Anyways I hope you/your friend have decent reasons to do this and have really thought it through. I'm not even a religious person but I believe it is unnecessary to end a defenseless life because of a mistake.... I think it should only be allowed for medical necessity/cases of rape, and there is plenty of access to birth control so nobody has to make that decision. Even then, adoption is a better choice, that way people who can't have children can have one and the kid can have a chance. Just my take on things. Good luck though. Hopefully you guys can make it through this.

[QUOTE=LSK II;43887215]That's cool man, but this him and his girlfriend I assume? It's their choice and theirs alone, they don't need to be told what they can or can't do and they don't need to be judged. Also, it's not even a person yet anyways, it's just a collection of cells that cannot express being conscious, because it isn't yet unless it's really late term, but that's a whole different argument.[/QUOTE] Just because you can't relate to it yet doesn't mean it doesn't deserve the same human rights as you do. And the choice they are making is murder over responsibility. It's cowardly! Step the fuck up and take care of your kid. It's not their fault they exist but it is your responsibility to care for them now that they do.

Your choice, dont let someone else shame you into changing your mind. This includes the doctor and anyone posting on here. It is not your job to convince others to agree with you, it is none of their business. [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aathma;43887300]Just because you can't relate to it yet doesn't mean it doesn't deserve the same human rights as you do. And the choice they are making is murder over responsibility. It's cowardly! Step the fuck up and take care of your kid. It's not their fault they exist but it is your responsibility to care for them now that they do.[/QUOTE] Equating an embryo to a person is a bit of a stretch, it is not the same. One has a conscious, the other has the potential for consciousness. It is not cowardly, it is a damn hard decision and often you have to be a hell of a lot braver to walk into that clinic than not to. It can be a very hard time for people, they dont need anyone else stepping in to impose their morality and speak down to them.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43887300]Just because you can't relate to it yet doesn't mean it doesn't deserve the same human rights as you do. And the choice they are making is murder over responsibility. It's cowardly! Step the fuck up and take care of your kid. It's not their fault they exist but it is your responsibility to care for them now that they do.[/QUOTE] To imply that I am a coward is also implying that this is an easy way out. Do you think I feel no remorse? Do you think I'm some kind of sociopath? I'm probably going to live with more emotional distress than you are going to be living with for a while. People like you have zero empathy, you think I don't cry when I think about it? I know in my mind I made the best choice for me, I want to provide for my baby, I think having a kid that you aren't ready for is worse.

Look, I'm being harsh about it not because I think it is the easiest way out or that you are trying to be selfish, but you are acting on ignorance. I firmly believe that you are killing someone when you have an abortion. I'm implying that you are a coward because you are taking the route that you feel gives you the most control since a child brings a lot of uncertainty about the future. Abortion shouldn't be an option. People already have options to handle the repercussions of parenthood. You could choose to have safe sex for one, though not full proof, that is one way. You could choose to not have sex if you have doubts in your ability to be a responsible parent. You could find a family to adopt if you can't care for the baby. You should not be resorting to murder, especially when there are other choices available. At conception, the DNA is no longer the mother's or the father's, it is the DNA of a new and growing person. In only a few weeks they will be so much like you are and they have a right to be there. If you reduce their existence to a clump of cells, why shouldn't the same be done to you? Just because your cells react in a civilly recognizable way makes you more of a person and gives you the right to cut others off from experiencing life like you have?

By biological definition a fetus is a parasite. You might think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath. After God formed man in Genesis 2, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath. In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.” In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense. According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. These are just my beliefs, I have mad respect for young parents. I've got too many mental problems and things going on in my own life.

[QUOTE=imptastick;43887364]Your choice, dont let someone else shame you into changing your mind. This includes the doctor and anyone posting on here. It is not your job to convince others to agree with you, it is none of their business.[/QUOTE] Protecting children and supporting mothers so that they don't feel like they need to kill their children is the responsibility of everyone.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43887734]Look, I'm being harsh about it not because I think it is the easiest way out or that you are trying to be selfish, but you are acting on ignorance. I firmly believe that you are killing someone when you have an abortion. I'm implying that you are a coward because you are taking the route that you feel gives you the most control since a child brings a lot of uncertainty about the future. Abortion shouldn't be an option. People already have options to handle the repercussions of parenthood. You could choose to have safe sex for one, though not full proof, that is one way. You could choose to not have sex if you have doubts in your ability to be a responsible parent. You could find a family to adopt if you can't care for the baby. You should not be resorting to murder, especially when there are other choices available. At conception, the DNA is no longer the mother's or the father's, it is the DNA of a new and growing person. In only a few weeks they will be so much like you are and they have a right to be there. If you reduce their existence to a clump of cells, why shouldn't the same be done to you? Just because your cells react in a civilly recognizable way makes you more of a person and gives you the right to cut others off from experiencing life like you have?[/QUOTE] I know that you think you are doing the right thing, but it is not your place to push your personal opinions on the subject. This in not mass debate, this is a person asking a question about a doctor acting unprofessional.

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43887788]By biological definition a fetus is a parasite.[/QUOTE] If it was a different species that would maybe start to make sense.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43887824]Protecting children and supporting mothers so that they don't feel like they need to kill their children is the responsibility of everyone.[/QUOTE] First of all I will not debate it as "killing children" or not, legally and medically a fetus/embryo is not a person. You may believe that but your opinion does not matter in this situation. This is their choice alone, whether you dont support abortion or not in non-relevant to this thread.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43887878]If it was a different species that would maybe start to make sense.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.[/QUOTE] The baby literally does nothing for the mother until a while after it is born, bringing the mother 'joy' doesn't count as a symbiotic relationship.

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ATribeCalledQ, I and the majority of users on Facepunch will stand behind any decision you make on this subject.

[QUOTE=imptastick;43887873]I know that you think you are doing the right thing, but it is not your place to push your personal opinions on the subject. This in not mass debate, this is a person asking a question about a doctor acting unprofessional.[/QUOTE] You are right about it not being the place to argue so I will back off. It just hit's me very personally when it comes to the children in my life right now. It's not like I or my gf haven't been presented with the same choices. My gf has a beautiful 2yo son from another man and I love him and his mother fully. Sorry if I've been inconsiderate.

[QUOTE=Aathma;43887978]You are right about it not being the place to argue so I will back off. It just hit's me very personally when it comes to the children in my life right now. It's not like I or my gf haven't been presented with the same choices. My gf has a beautiful 2yo son from another man and I love him and his mother fully. Sorry if I've been inconsiderate.[/QUOTE] I've heard worse being screamed in my face, basically, from protesters outside the clinic.......

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43887482]To imply that I am a coward is also implying that this is an easy way out. Do you think I feel no remorse? Do you think I'm some kind of sociopath? I'm probably going to live with more emotional distress than you are going to be living with for a while. People like you have zero empathy, you think I don't cry when I think about it? I know in my mind I made the best choice for me, I want to provide for my baby, I think having a kid that you aren't ready for is worse.[/QUOTE] Playing devil's advocate here, since I [I]despise[/I] posting anything related to my personal views on facepunch, but adoption is always an option. I know quite a few people who have been looking to adopt for a while, and there are programs designed where the adopting parents pay for the pregnancy. Also, again playing devil's advocate, parasitism is between two species, so technically a fetus cannot be a parasite.