[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043703]watching Highschool DxD so my friend will shut up.
man this is painful[/QUOTE]
You have some shitty friends. I always feel like shows like DxD is something you just watch if you want. Not something you suggest to someone.
[QUOTE=Reds;47043717]get better friends and watch kaiji instead[/QUOTE]
finished kaiji already
[QUOTE=Kidd;47043782]You have some shitty friends. I always feel like shows like DxD is something you just watch if you want. Not something you suggest to someone.[/QUOTE]
He did recommended me EVA, which speaks for itself in terms of shit tastes. I spent about 45 minute tearing down the failures of eva Mr. plinkett style just to show him how shit that show is
Don't worry, Highschool dxd BD/DVD sales are fucking awful in the US.
The fucking dub is 10/10 though.
[QUOTE=Kidd;47043797]The fucking dub is 10/10 though.[/QUOTE]
10/10 as in so bad it's good or just done right?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043791]
He did recommended me EVA, which speaks for itself in terms of shit tastes. I spent about 45 minute tearing down the failures of eva Mr. plinkett style just to show him how shit that show is[/QUOTE]
Eva's good though. Were you really so upset that you had to explain to him why he was wrong for liking it?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043791]He did recommended me EVA, which speaks for itself in terms of shit tastes. I spent about 45 minute tearing down the failures of eva Mr. plinkett style just to show him how shit that show is[/QUOTE]
B-but... Eva is good.
it's no 11/10 watch this right now but there are far worse shows.
[QUOTE=Reds;47043833]Eva's good though. Were you really so upset that you had to explain to him why he was wrong for liking it?[/QUOTE]
The problem is with the plot, story telling, and characterizations of everyone. I could probably dig it up and post it here if anyone wants.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47043857]B-but... Eva is good.
it's no 11/10 watch this right now but there are far worse shows.[/QUOTE]
It's barely a 7/10 at BEST
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47043857]B-but... Eva is good.[/QUOTE]
ahhahahahhahaha
[editline]31st January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043862]The problem is with the plot, story telling, and characterizations of everyone. I could probably dig it up and post it here if anyone wants.[/QUOTE]
"if everything about the show didn't suck so bad, it wouldn't suck"
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47043863]ahhahahahhahaha
[editline]31st January 2015[/editline]
"if everything about the show didn't suck so bad, it wouldn't suck"[/QUOTE]
hey if it goes Agami brilliant park where it is just over the top BS and establishes itself that way within the first few episodes, that's fine. But don't just be like "Oh man schinji is so deep even though he has next to no character progression throughout the series".
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043862]
It's barely a 7/10 at BEST[/QUOTE]
Hey guess what a 7/10 on mal is.
GOOD.
I said it was good, it's not amazing, it's good, it's a 7.
[QUOTE=Demonkush;47041469]I immediately thought of Me!Me!Me!, and I'd definitely play a waifu-shooter.[/QUOTE]
We got Plane girls, ship girls, tank girls, gun girls, let's wrap them up warthunder style and make a genuine waifu battle simulator.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043871] But don't just be like "Oh man schinji is so deep even though he has next to no character progression throughout the series".[/QUOTE]
Oh boy, this is your establishing argument? Either you weren't paying attention, or you were and don't understand that character development is not a straight line from "i suck" to "i am good now".
Go ahead, drag it up, I could use a laugh.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;47043892]Hey guess what a 7/10 on mal is.
GOOD.
I said it was good, it's not amazing, it's good, it's a 7.[/QUOTE]
I don't use MAL, amazon reviews are almost better. I guess I should go dig for that "why eva is average at best anime.txt"
[QUOTE=Reds;47043900]Oh boy, this is your establishing argument? Either you weren't paying attention, or you were and don't understand that character development is not a straight line from "i suck" to "i am good now".
Go ahead, drag it up, I could use a laugh.[/QUOTE]
No that was one of the things I did not like about the series.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043906]
No that was one of the things I did not like about the series.[/QUOTE]
Ok so first it doesn't exist, and now it does but you didn't like it. So it's Schrodinger's character development.
You may need to elaborate on why you don't like it before I make unfortunate assumptions.
Isn't DxD's dub the one where MC literally says "great googly mooglies"?
Getting real tired of "deep" being a generic insult.
When I watched Eva I saw a straightforward character-focused show. I didn't see anything particularly deep about it. What the fuck [I]is[/I] deep supposed to be anyway?
dood dont argue mecha with reds. he jerks off to the though of tomino getting butt bonered by a eva mech.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47043804]10/10 as in so bad it's good or just done right?[/QUOTE]
so bad it's good. You should just watch the rest with the dub.
Okay reasons Eva is an average anime(not talking about the shows/books/fanfic/author statements/etc) at best:
1. We aren't given any reason to care about the main character
Shinji is throw into a world where these attacks are so common that even the UN is involved yet some how he is emotionally crippled and shocked about angels attacking the city. It's kind of hard to get attached to someone who lives in a world where this shit happens all the time and is shown so much yet he can't believe it is happening. It's one thing if shinji thought that he was a bad ass then got thrown into an actual war zone where he got scared it would mean something but he is scared from the start and scared almost until the end. You could use the arguement "yeah well he was brave enough to venture in and find his dad!" but it is established his dad always was wanting him so this takes away a big part of the bravery.
On top of this shinji has no reason to care about anyone even though he does, for some reason care about Rei. I have no idea why a nation torn with war (where death and suffering are the norm), and a MC with the fact of finding his father even walking into a war zone to do so. Why he would instantly care about one person. There is no character establishment or reasons why he should care, this is on par writing with Episode 3 which Anakin Skywalker goes out to save one droid he has no invested interest in.
2. None of the characters make any sense
A. Shinji, makes no sense, he cares about ONE person enough to say he'll fight yet backs away when thousands are at risk. It boggles my mind how stupid this is, unless it's just a forced "love interest" by the author. Shinji does finally end up "winning" but only after a whole bunch of non nonsensical episodes that could have been compressed into half it. "o hey some new random love interest, better focus on this". He goes on to hate his father even though he sees him putting up with a shit load of work to protect people. Okay yeah I get this for like 1-3 episodes it makes sense if he had no idea who he was or why he left I can get that, but holy shit it did not need to be stretched on that long. Any normal person would have realized Monsters killing people = bad, me saving people = good; even if the "hidden intentions" were unknown to the MC.
B. Asuka, she has little to no purpose her character is super cliche as tsundere bullshit for any girl over the age of 12. She has no establishing character or why we should care about if she dies, hell she's just another eva pilot. For some reason we focus on her and shinji even though there is no real reason for them to live together, and if they wanted to train military grade co-operation wouldn't they stay on base? In a heavily bunkered area if they were important? If humanity is riding so heavily on these eva pilots wouldn't they get somewhere better than "yeah that apartment over there with a drunk and penguin... Try to stay focused kids! It's important err something."
C. Rei, We are given next to nothing about this girl other than she likes Shinji's father, and that makes her like Shinji for "reasons" even though they look next to nothing alike. There isn't much to say with her since she just fights because she likes Shinji's father??? I really never got far enough into her character to understand other than she is a doll for waifu'ing.
3. Since this is the operation trying to save humanity, and is located in a city why would you ever raise the city up since it will be vunerable, and why would to make the base in the heart of the city instead of the outskirts
Seriously this boggles my mind, it's quite obvious angels will attack, it's only a matter of when. So at what point would it be safe or profitable to build a city above ground regardless the sunlight. Normal people would probably choose underground and living as appose to up and "chance of instant death". To add to that why is the base located in the center, I could get the excuse that the city was built around it due to the project, but this was really never explained; and no "the bases protects us" is not an answer since most modern military tries to build a perimeter.
4. Why is there a cord attached to EVA for power?
Seriously, it would be more life saving and potentially more cost effective to build nuclear reactors inside or on top of the robots. You could save the pilots under ground and transmit their interactions to the robots, even home grade wifi can do <10MS to the wifi, enterprise can get it there near <5-2MS; this makes sense since eva pilots are hard to find compatible interfaces.
5. If this is as serious as it is why is humanity neglecting it so
This is one of the other major issues. If Aliens from outer space attacked tomorrow, and kept attack a country. Every damn country on the planet would go fight that shit. Yet some how the JPG and UN are the only ones to aid with the USA neglecting everything? even though they are one of our strongest allies????? This makes no sense, why would something that could basically kill all military might not be a top priority for super powers. Hell they dropped basically nukes on the thing when it kills everything in it's path, and you are telling me the japanese government/investors are worried about costs? Give me a fucking break.
I have about 10 more bullet points but not sure what the character count limit is.
[QUOTE=dgg;47043663]I think you are simplifying the situation a bit too much if you think [sp]he killed himself because he lost the game.[/sp][/QUOTE]
No no, [sp] I'm not saying it was the game that did it (well, it was the last thing that pushed him over the edge, but obviously he had other huge issues that caused a majority of his greif) I thought that part was a bit funny, but I still cried like a bitch at the end because it was a great episode overall[/sp]
it's funny how tomino made a mecha deconstruction way before that was the cool thing to do
[video=youtube;nSwWu7wUOC0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSwWu7wUOC0[/video]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]Okay reasons Eva is an average anime(not talking about the shows/books/fanfic/author statements/etc) at best:
[Bad augments]
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I can't even begin to describe how wrong literally all your points are, did you even watch eva?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]Okay reasons Eva is an average anime(not talking about the shows/books/fanfic/author statements/etc) at best:[/QUOTE]
1. Shinji is FOURTEEN YEARS OLD, extremely insecure, and has major abandonment issues. Angel attacks are not really common at all prior to the series, which would be rather obvious if you actually payed attention. Also maybe he cared about Rei because she was injured and was about to be thrust into a robot instead of him? Basic human empathy?
2A. Again, Shinji is FOURTEEN. He is in puberty. What do kids in puberty do? Dumb shit.
2B. Asuka has [sp]family, emotional, and trust issues[/sp] up the ass. She's also 14. As for the last part, maybe that also has something to do with the fact they're 14 (and it's also a bonding exercise).
2C. Rei is pretty heavily explained in the later episodes. Were you actually watching the show?
3. This is literally all explained in the show. Tokyo-3 is a military installation - it is designed to intercept angels, and primarily houses NERV personnel, people important to NERV projects, and other such. Tokyo-3 IS THE PERIMETER.
4. This is a prime example of not paying attention. [sp]They are not power cords - they are limiter cords. While the EVA is actively connected to one, they can operate freely, but as soon as they disconnect they are imposed a 5 minute time frame to do something - this isn't power issues, this is to prevent the EVA from falling into the wrong hands, doing it's own thing, or going berserk. Of course, it doesn't actually work very well (see: EVA 01 literally whenever it goes berserk) but that is the point. Don't forget that the EVA units are cyborgs encased in biomechanical armour.[/sp]
5. Did you actually watch the show? NERV's USA branch builds an EVA unit and FUCKING EXPLODES. NERV's European branch provides an EVA AND a pilot, and then later a second EVA. The angels focus their attacks on NERV HQ for an obvious reason that you should be able to instantly know.
I used to be fourteen
what's eva
is that some stupid ship girl anime
This is some "did you even watch the show" tier shit right here. I'm going to say ahead of time that I don't have a problem with you not liking it. I think your reasons for not liking it are fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
1. We aren't given any reason to care about the main character
Shinji is throw into a world where these attacks are so common that even the UN is involved yet some how he is emotionally crippled and shocked about angels attacking the city. It's kind of hard to get attached to someone who lives in a world where this shit happens all the time and is shown so much yet he can't believe it is happening. It's one thing if shinji thought that he was a bad ass then got thrown into an actual war zone where he got scared it would mean something but he is scared from the start and scared almost until the end. You could use the arguement "yeah well he was brave enough to venture in and find his dad!" but it is established his dad always was wanting him so this takes away a big part of the bravery.
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Ok, first of all, "these attacks are so common".
No they're not.
Shinji fights the first Angel, Sachiel. Literally the first. Giant monster attacks are not a regular thing. Shinji sees it tank a fucking nuke and you're going "gee shinji why are you scared by this". Besides, he handles it pretty well. It's when they go "oh by the way we never mentioned this before but get in this robot right now with no explanation or training you have to save us now go go go" that he goes "what the fuck do you mean get in the robot i can't do that i'll fuck up", and then he fucked up and only got in because they guilted him into it. Besides, if you saw Godzilla destroy a city every week you wouldn't stop being scared of Godzilla, you'd be more terrified by it.
Also, "his dad was always wanting him"? Gendo couldn't give less of a shit about Shinji. Gendo only even acknowledged Shinji because he was forced to and whenever Shinji had any objections he just went "sure fuck off see if I care".
And of course Shinji is fucking scared. Eva is a subversion of the super robot power fantasy. Piloting the robot is not fun or cool even if you, the viewer, think that the robot is cool.
The weight of the world on your shoulders when you know you aren't good enough to hold it against horrifying monsters is not something that makes you Kabuto Kouji-style hot-blooded, and then there's the fact that PILOTING AN EVA IS A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE. You know what happens when you get stabbed in an Eva? You feel being stabbed in your soul. You feel all of the pain of the Eva being mutilated. Shinji is in the damn hospital after half his fights because he's constantly impaled, half-melted, has his arms torn off and generally has an unpleasant time.
Shinji is a depressed kid in an awful situation where nearly everybody he knows is an awful person and shits on him constantly rather than help him deal with his issues. Is that not a good enough reason to care? What constitutes a reason to care about him for you?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
On top of this shinji has no reason to care about anyone even though he does, for some reason care about Rei. I have no idea why a nation torn with war (where death and suffering are the norm), and a MC with the fact of finding his father even walking into a war zone to do so. Why he would instantly care about one person. There is no character establishment or reasons why he should care, this is on par writing with Episode 3 which Anakin Skywalker goes out to save one droid he has no invested interest in.
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So what you're saying is that Shinji should be a sociopath who cares nothing about anybody around him because he doesn't know them. THe world of Eva is not "torn with war" and death and suffering is not the norm. The world is fucked up and damaged but Shinji had a normal life. You know what the first thing he sees of Rei is? She comes out absolutely beaten up and clearly in no condition to do anything, and he goes "wait, you're going to make her go out and fight that monster if i don't get in the robot". The NERV crew basically go "well fine you selfish asshole" to guilt him into getting in. Imagine if you refused to lift some boxes so they got a guy with a broken arm to lift them and then went "look at what you made us do you asshole".
You don't need to know somebody to have sympathy for them.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
2. None of the characters make any sense
A. Shinji, makes no sense, he cares about ONE person enough to say he'll fight yet backs away when thousands are at risk. It boggles my mind how stupid this is, unless it's just a forced "love interest" by the author. Shinji does finally end up "winning" but only after a whole bunch of non nonsensical episodes that could have been compressed into half it. "o hey some new random love interest, better focus on this". He goes on to hate his father even though he sees him putting up with a shit load of work to protect people. Okay yeah I get this for like 1-3 episodes it makes sense if he had no idea who he was or why he left I can get that, but holy shit it did not need to be stretched on that long. Any normal person would have realized Monsters killing people = bad, me saving people = good; even if the "hidden intentions" were unknown to the MC.
[/QUOTE]
Oh for fuck's sake were you paying attention at all
Shinji didn't go out just to protect one person, seeing Rei pushed him over the edge. He was already struggling with the decision and he's terrified to tell them no in the first place. And now we enter "every female character the main character cares about must be a love interest" territory.
Of course he hates his father, Gendo is a sociopathic asshole who doesn't care about anything but his vague master plan and sees Shinji as utterly disposable. There's nothing even efficient about Gendo, he makes things constantly worse through his awful parenting. Gendo is a piece of shit who doesn't seem to actually care about protecting anybody, he's just there because it's his job and because it furthers his goals.
Ok, here's the thing about Shinji. "shinji is a whiny coward, shinji won't protect people, shinji always run away"
Yeah, no. Hey, remember the episode where Shinji is told to run away, but grabs his two classmates who then become his friends, shoves them in his cockpit so they don't get crushed, and then charges the Angel with a teeny tiny knife while being impaled which he can feel while screaming and telling himself to not run away? And then those times when he gets a chance to just leave he always comes back entirely by his decision? Shinji is a fucking hero and it's amazing that he made it through his situation as well as he did.
I can't believe you're being sympathetic towards Gendo of all characters.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
B. Asuka, she has little to no purpose her character is super cliche as tsundere bullshit for any girl over the age of 12. She has no establishing character or why we should care about if she dies, hell she's just another eva pilot. For some reason we focus on her and shinji even though there is no real reason for them to live together, and if they wanted to train military grade co-operation wouldn't they stay on base? In a heavily bunkered area if they were important? If humanity is riding so heavily on these eva pilots wouldn't they get somewhere better than "yeah that apartment over there with a drunk and penguin... Try to stay focused kids! It's important err something."
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Asuka chose to live there for whatever reason. The Eva pilots are civilians on call, they don't need to live in a bunker all day.
How did you watch the entire series and not know anything about Asuka's character? Establishing character: hot-headed pilot eager to show off and prove how good she is. Goes to to show to be desperate for attention with huge emotional issues and possibly an inferiority complex. I shouldn't need to write you an essay on this. Also, she's not a tsundere. A tsundere has dere in it. It implies that she's nice sometimes. Asuka is just an asshole with huge emotional issues.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
C. Rei, We are given next to nothing about this girl other than she likes Shinji's father, and that makes her like Shinji for "reasons" even though they look next to nothing alike. There isn't much to say with her since she just fights because she likes Shinji's father??? I really never got far enough into her character to understand other than she is a doll for waifu'ing.
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She likes Gendo because he performed an act to show that he cared for her, at least from Rei's perspective. Shinji performed a similar act and gave the same impression. I am not writing a damn essay on Rei's character because he's hard to summarise it.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
3. Since this is the operation trying to save humanity, and is located in a city why would you ever raise the city up since it will be vunerable, and why would to make the base in the heart of the city instead of the outskirts
Seriously this boggles my mind, it's quite obvious angels will attack, it's only a matter of when. So at what point would it be safe or profitable to build a city above ground regardless the sunlight. Normal people would probably choose underground and living as appose to up and "chance of instant death". To add to that why is the base located in the center, I could get the excuse that the city was built around it due to the project, but this was really never explained; and no "the bases protects us" is not an answer since most modern military tries to build a perimeter. [/QUOTE]
Angels attack at random intervals. Could be days, could be months between attacks. I imagine "live underground for the rest of your life" didn't sound very appealing to people. And the evacuation process seemed pretty efficient.
Most of this can be put down to "we thought a city that drops down looks cool". And until the Angels catch on and start to burrow, it was a perfectly sound strategy. Mostly this just comes down to how willing you are to suspend your disbelief over the way they decided to do an underground city.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
4. Why is there a cord attached to EVA for power?
Seriously, it would be more life saving and potentially more cost effective to build nuclear reactors inside or on top of the robots. You could save the pilots under ground and transmit their interactions to the robots, even home grade wifi can do <10MS to the wifi, enterprise can get it there near <5-2MS; this makes sense since eva pilots are hard to find compatible interfaces.
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Because if you didn't notice, the Evas are extremely fragile and get torn to pieces most fights. Remember that time Shinji nearly got one-shotted just coming out of the hangar by a giant lasser? Building a nuclear reactor on top of something that'll break if an Angel pokes it is not a good idea. Also there's the fact that [sp]THE EVAS ARE FUCKING GIANT ORGANIC CYBORG MONSTERS WITH THE COCKPIT AS A WOMB METAPHOR WITH POWER CORDS TO RESTRAIN THEM SO THEY DON'T GO BERSERK AND FREAK OUT[/sp] so "use a remote control" isn't a very sound option either.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
5. If this is as serious as it is why is humanity neglecting it so
This is one of the other major issues. If Aliens from outer space attacked tomorrow, and kept attack a country. Every damn country on the planet would go fight that shit. Yet some how the JPG and UN are the only ones to aid with the USA neglecting everything? even though they are one of our strongest allies????? This makes no sense, why would something that could basically kill all military might not be a top priority for super powers. Hell they dropped basically nukes on the thing when it kills everything in it's path, and you are telling me the japanese government/investors are worried about costs? Give me a fucking break.
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Earth is kinda fucked at the moment and they are pooling their resources. Everybody has conflicting ideas on what to do and there's only one area regularly afflicted as far as we know, meaning that country is going to bear the brunt of the costs. Plus NERV is the kind of organisation that says stuff like "we need literally all of the electricity in the country to fire this big gun right now" and gets it. People are always going to be stupid particularly when the solution presented is three giant robots and an assurance that everything will be daijobu. it doesn't matter if every military attacks at once, they can't do shit with the AT fields, and there's clearly only so many Evas you can make in a reasonable amount of time.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47044053]
I have about 10 more bullet points but not sure what the character count limit is.[/QUOTE]
Keep going, I want to see how dumb the rabbit hole is. Because holy shit your "reasons" are stupid. Were you paying attention in the slightest?
[editline]31st January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dronaroid;47044244]what's eva
is that some stupid ship girl anime[/QUOTE]
eva's for gay babies and waifufags you shouldn't watch it
i wish they'd get to DIO already in jjba
the main characters are so incompetent it hurts
[QUOTE=apurplerock;47044054]No no, [sp] I'm not saying it was the game that did it (well, it was the last thing that pushed him over the edge, but obviously he had other huge issues that caused a majority of his greif) I thought that part was a bit funny, but I still cried like a bitch at the end because it was a great episode overall[/sp][/QUOTE]
Super great episode though, and honestly the ED kinda felt like it tied in nicely to the ending too.
[QUOTE=Reds;47044252]eva's for gay babies and waifufags you shouldn't watch it[/QUOTE]
so it IS about ship girls then
also if it's for gay babies then why do so few people in this thread like it, this place is literally gay baby central
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