• Do you believe in free will?
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No. All of your actions are preordained by the state of the universe at any given time. Your reactions to stimuli are all encoded into the arrangement of molecules that make up your body and brain. Free will is no more scientific a concept than ghosts.
To an extent.
ya, i believe this is a dumb thread
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26555431]No. All of your actions are preordained by the state of the universe at any given time. Your reactions to stimuli are all encoded into the arrangement of molecules that make up your body and brain. Free will is no more scientific a concept than ghosts.[/QUOTE] nope
i was destined to vote yes
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26555431]No. All of your actions are preordained by the state of the universe at any given time. Your reactions to stimuli are all encoded into the arrangement of molecules that make up your body and brain. Free will is no more scientific a concept than ghosts.[/QUOTE] It's really weird to think about stuff this way. Like each time I jiggle my headphone cord a tiny tiny amount, that could've been pre-programmed to happen by some sort of vast cosmic entity. Each cell movement and each electron moving around its cloud would be programmed, happening an impossible number of times a second, with sextillions of cells just in your body, constantly reproducing. :psyduck:
Yes, because I do not like the idea I am not in control of my life.
Acording to the laws of physics, free will cannot exist because the electrochemical processes in the brain are bound by the same laws of physics that govern the rest of the universe. Therefore no matter how many times you run a human brain through a simulation that is exactly the same (no deviation whatsoever, the exact same brain in the exact same state of mind with the exact same experience and the exact same stimuli) it should always make the same decision. However I think that that is an incredibly downer way of looking at things, and though I will never argue to the contrary, I will live my life as if I do have free will, because I would prefer it that way.
Some people are too stupid to have freewill.
To some degree. Obviously there are physical limits to what kind of responses a person will have to a set of stimuli.
I believe in the power of my cock
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26555431]No. All of your actions are preordained by the state of the universe at any given time. Your reactions to stimuli are all encoded into the arrangement of molecules that make up your body and brain. Free will is no more scientific a concept than ghosts.[/QUOTE] Sums it up quite well. Thank you.
My master commands me to say yes...
I'm a heavy believer in functionalism, but I'm still open to the idea of free will.
Yeah why not?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;26552024]*physics.[/QUOTE] *and philosophy Free will isn't a pure matter of physics. What kind of scientific experiment can you use to find out the "true" definition of free will? Free will =/= complete metaphysical freedom.
Depends how you define it, we make choices but but those are defined by our past experience so in the same situation with the same experience we would always make the same choice
I say ultimately it only matters to those who don't act saying free will doesn't exist. Because if free will exists, well free will exists and you make choices; if it doesn't exist and there IS destiny, it changes nothing: you cannot perceive destiny. So even if you're destined to make that choice, you still think you're making a choice. That's the reason I don't want to think about it, there is so much more stuff that I could think about and that would end up being so much more productive. Such as this: if speed is relative to movement, how can we say the absolute fastest speed we can achieve is the speed of light in a vacuum? By the way, don't bother answering (Except if you have an explanation. In that case, please do PM me with it, I'd be delighted). I don't want a ban for thread derailment. It was just an example.
[QUOTE=cccritical;26555703]nope[/QUOTE] Your incredible argumentative skill has convinced me. [editline]8th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=cccritical;26554046]If I had any urge to I could make a banme, but I choose not to, why would I don't tell me that by some divine chance since the big bang happened JUST like it did there was no outcome except for you to create this thread you could rate me dumb, or agree, your call[/QUOTE] That's like drawing 5 cards from a deck and saying "Don't say chance conspired to make me draw EXACTLY THOSE CARDS the chances are astronomically low!" The chance is the same as drawing any other 5 card combination. All outcomes that the big bang could have produced were equally likely, but we ended up with this one.
if we werent in control of our life (like our life was pre-planned by god or something like that) then why would people break laws? thats why people cannot accurately predict the future. because you can change what happens to you. the answer is obvious. thread was not needed...
I believe we have some ability to make decisions about our life, kind of like what JohnnyMo1 said on the last page, ultimately it is all down to chemical reactions and the firing of nerves. Once major advances are made in the understanding of how humans can make complex decisions and an explanation for 'conciousness' is created then this question will probably be better answered.
[QUOTE=legolover122;26568817]if we werent in control of our life (like our life was pre-planned by god or something like that) then why would people break laws? thats why people cannot accurately predict the future. because you can change what happens to you. the answer is obvious. thread was not needed...[/QUOTE] That's not obvious at all. Your argument makes no sense.
Because i want to.
I'll have to check with my master as to whether or not I can answer. Be right back.
Considering how fervently anti-religion and pro-science FP generally is I am frankly amazed at what a majority believe in free will.
You can do whatever you're physically/mentally capable of doing, there's just consequences to each action. But I doubt an entity would have to intentionally allow that to be law of the universe.
[QUOTE=legolover122;26568817]if we werent in control of our life (like our life was pre-planned by god or something like that) then why would people break laws? thats why people cannot accurately predict the future. because you can change what happens to you. the answer is obvious. thread was not needed...[/QUOTE] Or rather, you can't predict the future because the human mind is a very complicated machine and you've got nearly 7 billion of these unique super-complicated machines working at once.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26555431]No. All of your actions are preordained by the state of the universe at any given time. Your reactions to stimuli are all encoded into the arrangement of molecules that make up your body and brain. Free will is no more scientific a concept than ghosts.[/QUOTE] A true physicist's reply :)
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;26555431]No. All of your actions are preordained by the state of the universe at any given time. Your reactions to stimuli are all encoded into the arrangement of molecules that make up your body and brain. Free will is no more scientific a concept than ghosts.[/QUOTE] But then, by some definition, we still have free will, even if our future actions can be determined. The state of the universe only determines what we want to do and the scenarios we live in that limit or "push" us into making a different decision. It all depends on your definition of "free will," which can be broadly interpreted. I guess the bottom line is how you define something that is only philosophical. If you believe in an Abrahamic religion, then that thinking is done for you with the basic explanation that it's "fuckin' magic." And yes, I'm comparing religious ideas to ICP's retardation.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;26592160]But then, by some definition, we still have free will, even if our future actions can be determined. The state of the universe only determines what we want to do and the scenarios we live in that limit or "push" us into making a different decision. It all depends on your definition of "free will," which can be broadly interpreted.[/QUOTE] Any definition of free will that is not negated by the fact that all of your actions and thoughts are determined by the motions of lifeless elementary particles without purpose and bound by physical law is kind of academic.
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