Anti cheating discussion

[garym0de]

[QUOTE=Wipmuck;16513386]Ontopic: Vac should really detect some lua functions.[/QUOTE]

this will never happen no matter how much you wish for it.

[Zetanor]

[QUOTE=Wipmuck;16513386]
Ontopic: Vac should really detect some lua functions.
[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah VAC-ban people who are running draw and surface functions. Fucking hackers.

[-[ Fizzadar ]-]

[QUOTE=Retirsch;16501812]This. All VAC currently does is act as anti-piracy.[/QUOTE]

Wrong, it removes memory editors on other games like CSS and so on, but not GMod.

[Retirsch]

[QUOTE='-[ Fizzadar ]-;16520486']Wrong, it removes memory editors on other games like CSS and so on, but not GMod.[/QUOTE]

I clearly meant only for GMod. We all know that VAC is in fact active in other games, but not in GMod.

[MakeR]

[QUOTE=Retirsch;16520570]I clearly meant only for GMod. We all know that VAC is in fact active in other games, but not in GMod.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Read [url=http://www.garry.tv/?p=841]this[/url] blog by garry, he clearly states that VAC is, in fact, enabled in Garrysmod.

[|FlapJack|]

[QUOTE=MakeR;16520668]Wrong. Read [url=http://www.garry.tv/?p=841]this[/url] blog by garry, he clearly states that VAC is, in fact, enabled in Garrysmod.[/QUOTE]

If that is true, why I am I still not banned? Why is anybody that has ever used the cheat engine in GMod not banned?

[MakeR]

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;16520686]If that is true, why I am I still not banned? Why is anybody that has ever used the cheat engine in GMod not banned?[/QUOTE]

You should be asking garry that, not me.

[|FlapJack|]

[QUOTE=MakeR;16520696]You should be asking garry that, not me.[/QUOTE]

Rhetorical question.

[garym0de]

[QUOTE=MakeR;16520668]Wrong. Read [url=http://www.garry.tv/?p=841]this[/url] blog by garry, he clearly states that VAC is, in fact, enabled in Garrysmod.[/QUOTE]

it's not. no one has been vac banned as a result of a detection in gmod. if it was actually enabled, i would be banned already (unless vac doesn't detect debuggers for some hilarious reason).

[-[ Fizzadar ]-]

It's enabled in GMod, but it doesn't work properly.

End of.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=lavacano;16488838]Yet all it does in Garry's Mod is just sit there and say "Yep, I'm here."

It's like a slacker kid with perfect attendance. He doesn't do shit, but he's always in class.[/QUOTE]

Apparently some of you don't know what this means

[p3acemak3r]

I Vote for the "Facepunch Anti Cheat Software" :)
We have a Database with the tables Name|SteamId|Reason(Hack)|Date(When he was found)
Our script checks that database out, and if a Hacker joins. He will get kicked.
The Script will set public, every Server can use it.
How the Hackers get found ?:
The Script checks every Lua file in autorun etc. If the Script found something like a Aiming bot he will get kicked.
Or: He will not get automaticly kicked. The Script posts the Lua Code in the Console of an admin. He will Choose Kick or not.

Same idea like SteamBans.
If someone starts a project like that, i would be happy if i can Help.

I Hope someone can read that. I did not Sleep 2 Days ^^
_
For a better Gmod Life :D
_
Oh.. and the childish people are, who answers the idiots.

[LuaStoned]

[QUOTE=p3acemak3r;16537326]I Vote for the "Facepunch Anti Cheat Software" :)
We have a Database with the tables Name|SteamId|Reason(Hack)|Date(When he was found)
Our script checks that database out, and if a Hacker joins. He will get kicked.
The Script will set public, every Server can use it.
How the Hackers get found ?:
The Script checks every Lua file in autorun etc. If the Script found something like a Aiming bot he will get kicked.
Or: He will not get automaticly kicked. The Script posts the Lua Code in the Console of an admin. He will Choose Kick or not.

Same idea like SteamBans.
If someone starts a project like that, i would be happy if i can Help.

I Hope someone can read that. I did not Sleep 2 Days ^^
_
For a better Gmod Life :D
_
Oh.. and the childish people are, who answers the idiots.[/QUOTE]

local fr = file.Read
function file.Read(path)
   if path:find("../") then
      print("file.Read outside data blocked!")
      return "Blocked"
   end
   return fr(path)
end

Have fun trying to read 'aimbot' files ;)

[p3acemak3r]

Look.
The hole Fags, who create the Hacks. Make them Public (The most time)
We can save the Code in one File.And the Script makes a comparison with the both scripts.
It's just an "Light" Idea

[|FlapJack|]

[QUOTE=p3acemak3r;16537869]Look.
The hole Fags, who create the Hacks. Make them Public (The most time)
We can save the Code in one File.And the Script makes a comparison with the both scripts.
It's just an "Light" Idea[/QUOTE]

The best way is to constantly add and remove the common commands, linking them to a script that rickrolls them and locks their mouse on a point on the screen, then kick them after 30 seconds. Also, overwrite metafunctions and remove non-whitelisted hooks.

[p3acemak3r]

Nice Idea.
I only can repeat, a project like that would be a great extension for garrysmod

[|FlapJack|]

[QUOTE=p3acemak3r;16538955]Nice Idea.
I only can repeat, a project like that would be a great extension for garrysmod[/QUOTE]

I am keeping mine private.

[garymode]

[QUOTE=p3acemak3r;16537326]I Vote for the "Facepunch Anti Cheat Software" :)
We have a Database with the tables Name|SteamId|Reason(Hack)|Date(When he was found)
Our script checks that database out, and if a Hacker joins. He will get kicked.
The Script will set public, every Server can use it.
How the Hackers get found ?:
The Script checks every Lua file in autorun etc. If the Script found something like a Aiming bot he will get kicked.
Or: He will not get automaticly kicked. The Script posts the Lua Code in the Console of an admin. He will Choose Kick or not.

Same idea like SteamBans.
If someone starts a project like that, i would be happy if i can Help.

I Hope someone can read that. I did not Sleep 2 Days ^^
_
For a better Gmod Life :D
_
Oh.. and the childish people are, who answers the idiots.[/QUOTE]

lol

[aVoN]

[QUOTE=The-Stone;16537824]

local fr = file.Read
function file.Read(path)
   if path:find("../") then
      print("file.Read outside data blocked!")
      return "Blocked"
   end
   return fr(path)
end

Have fun trying to read 'aimbot' files ;)[/QUOTE]

Do a lua-environment-backup before any scripts send from the server is executed. Basically kills your attempt. Or use a module. Once more "over-killed".

[editline]10:23PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;16538893]Also, overwrite metafunctions and remove non-whitelisted hooks.[/QUOTE]
Easily to exploit. Read above.

Actually, every "Lua-Based-Anticheat" is a fail. Just the wide spread "public hacks" will be detected/stopped.

[-[ Fizzadar ]-]

Why do we even care so much? ScriptEnforcer plus decent admins can cope [i]easily[/i].

[Sgt. Napalm]

I never knew that script enforcer worked.

[nicktelli]

[QUOTE=Kidd;14242124]Says a hacker, no?[/QUOTE]

People like you and the rest of the gaming community as a whole need to learn a few things.

Cheaters are not hackers, they are script kiddies as they download 3rd party modules that provide methods to cheat.

Real hackers don't waste their time making cheats for games.

Game hackers are experienced in many programming languages (not just .Net noobish stuff) and are able to reverse engineer game engines to provide cheats.

In conclusion: If someone is "hacking" in a game, they are 99.99% likely to be a script kiddie cheater, definitely not a HACKER; learn the difference, live the difference.

[Bletotum]

Agreed.

And the idea of a lua controlled PUBLIC database of server bans... God that sucks, you just know it'd get abused >.>...

EDIT:

Hell, someone'd make a script to make a shit-ton of bans against everyone lol. (Or everyone that joins their fake server...) .

[aVoN]

[QUOTE=Bletotum;16555797]And the idea of a lua controlled PUBLIC database of server bans... God that sucks, you just know it'd get abused >.>...[/QUOTE]

Steambans.com works too. Anyway, this idea once got been suggested by LuaDuck and the community raged about this idea. I still like it.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;16555797]Hell, someone'd make a script to make a shit-ton of bans against everyone lol. (Or everyone that joins their fake server...) .[/QUOTE]

Who said, you could ban by simply sending a "ban this player"-command to a server. This indeed does not work. Look at steambans.com. They have a working concept.

And another idea would be, "marking players as suspicious" if he gets banned from too much servers and applying some sort of "vote-kick or vote-ban" if he is "marked" for everyone.