My opinion, take it or leave it.
To begin with, I want to preface my opinions by saying I hope you aren't doing this to cash grab, and instead, to gain knowledge or possibly compete with SF. If you're doing it for the wrong reasons, people will pickup on it quickly, and you probably won't get far. Of course, your site will always get traffic - regardless of what people think. I just personally think it's a good idea to take the initiative to actually listen to peoples feedback during the development stages and learn from the mistakes that previous websites have made.
I also would like to see if this turns out unique, and becomes its own alternative to scripts that wouldn't even be compared to SF. Not because it's better, but because it offers an entirely different service then its counterpart. It's your decision, what that may be, and whether it focus' on jobs more, or offers something else - I don't know. All I do know, is I'd hate to see this website just be a copy/paste of scriptfodder with different colors. It's already been done, and I don't think it worked out too well. Of course, this is your decision and if what you have in mind is all you expect from it then so be it. The way I look at it, as a consumer not a developer, is I'll probably stick to SF unless you show real promises of offering something different that will benefit me.
In regards to the current state of the website, it's looking good. I'm not a design wizard so I can't really give input on whether your color palette is good, or if your layout is 'clean' or intuitive. However, you are taking steps away from the regular format I see from script marketplaces which is nice to see.
You can take Netheous' post with ignorance, but you shouldn't; he raises a fair point. In the direction you're heading right now, you won't compete with SF in any field. SF wins the race in almost every category which is why I think you need to create your own race and separate yourself from SF. This isn't going to be easy, and I sorta chuckled when I read it over myself. But you don't really have a choice. You may not know, but this thread has been made several times over by other people and they never make it too far. To be honest, you don't really have much on your side.
In conclusion: If you don't standout from SF, your website will inevitably maintain traffic but it will be limited to the people that are either banned, pissed off at, or don't know about ScriptFodder. In all cases, this isn't too beneficial for you. In the end, I do wish you luck. I think everyone should be given a fair chance in their creations, regardless if the idea is original or not. Don't let the other posts get you down - try your best and if its not what you want then move on.
[QUOTE]What are you even doing? This is like that stupid shit you see in the movies to where a guy in a black suit approaches you in the alleyway saying you should get out of town.[/QUOTE] I like this guy :D.
Also Neth like i have said 3 time already ITS AN ALTERNATIVE. We are just offering people MORE CHOICE. Additionally yes it does allow the "leakers" a 2nd chance however PEOPLE CAN CHANGE. Just because people may or may not have leaked something once doesn't mean its going to happen again and again for EVERYBODY in this category. Some people deserve a second chance and that is mainly what we are going to aim at for now until we grow bigger. Also as i mentioned if people DO decide to leak again then they will get banned.
Also referring to what Karp was saying about uniqueness. We are currently in talks with the php encryption software developer - SourceGuardian about implementing a secure anti-leak api and optional core encrypting to place trackers and possibly a license system into. This will be to help prevent web based products like donation systems from being widely distributed and nulled however this is going to be a while before this is built.
We are also aware its an uphill battle as the underdog however its worth a try.
[QUOTE]All I'm going to say after reading your posts is that this makes me dislike ScriptFodder even more. Your immaturity and arrogant attitude tells me a lot about the kind of person you are. People who respect others would either not post on their competitor's threads, or wish them luck. You see alternatives as competition which scares you, so you came on this thread to bully and harass OP in a vein attempt to discredit someone you literally know nothing about by getting Steam community screenshots and old posts.[/QUOTE]
I think he is scared of the underdog ;)
We are limited to the web server type atm as it is currently running on website hosting dedicated server until we make enough to put it onto its own dedicated server/vps.
[QUOTE]For your web server, I recommend nginx it's faster and arguably more secure. Other than those small-ish things, I wish the best of luck. From what I've seen, it's very stressful when you're not only responsible for you creations, but other people's as well. If you can pull it off, you will definitely do great.[/QUOTE]
Also Neth if your just going to keep [QUOTE]shitposting.[/QUOTE] then you aren't really doing you or SF any favours. If you read the comments you have made above so far this is how anybody reading this would view you as 'arrogant'.
Llamalord said what needed to be said, dont fuck up your own site's reputation by piggy backing on what he said trying to get a few more "blows" in. Move on
The one thing that annoys me about all the new sites is the fact that scripts are the main focus, with jobs second priority. Sites that do this and make you pay just make me think that it's a cash grab, because really, it doesn't take ages to write a job system.
[QUOTE=meharryp;47609605]The one thing that annoys me about all the new sites is the fact that scripts are the main focus, with jobs second priority. Sites that do this and make you pay just make me think that it's a cash grab, because really, it doesn't take ages to write a job system.[/QUOTE]
A site where jobs would be in focus and maybe developers could like have a section where they offer their service, and in general where developers(not "I can install DarkRP weapons") could be hired for communities would be useful, as scriptfodder job section is alot just saying "I need help with my addon" or "I pay $50 for a custom gamemode". but scriptfodder is the main site for all the scripts, so starting literally the exact same thing with another design isn't the best idea. Why not have the job section in focus with some more features like developer for hire etc and then maybe have a Scripts section that isn't the primary source? like Coderhire, the name suggests hiring a coder which seems like it primarily was intended to be a way to find and communicate with coders, but it wasn't
In short your suggesting that we could make a system like this:
Developers select what they are good at and people can search for a developer that has the skills/expertise in the area they are looking for and can contact them. Also by adding a "Timeframe" system where developers can say "unable to start for 3 weeks" because they have other jobs/developments etc.
Also i see you point. Jobs are going to be added to our site but at the moment we just want to get the developer side of it done before adding jobs (wont be long till jobs are added)
We may also add a idea submission box where users can suggest an idea which developers can get into contact with them about or develop it and release it.
I feel like the best way to go about making a popular site is offer something ScriptFodder does not. For example, we've had a lot of other selling sites pop up (coderflow, scriptbucket, coderhigher or something i swear there's been three??) but they don't take off the way SF does. All of them look very similar and it's quite easy to tell they're using a bootstrap base. Even a unique design would be a neat way to stand out
A really good example here is Adam Burton, who went onto do garrysmods.org which is for hosting free addons - that's taken off, that gets a lot of traffic and every one really likes it. It's different and has a friendly layout
So yeah, my advice would be to maybe add some pictures or formatting to the OP since it's a little awkward to read and maybe try to think of a unique spin to put on it
You are right guys, sorry for being a jerk yesterday.
No excuses, I just felt like making someone's life miserable (I guess I should stop posting when I feel like being a tool).
I even had a rule "no posting after midnight".
I hope the good and fair competition will only affect both of the websites positively and I'll surely try the trial month.
[QUOTE=pkminer30;47609676]In short your suggesting that we could make a system like this:
Developers select what they are good at and people can search for a developer that has the skills/expertise in the area they are looking for and can contact them. Also by adding a "Timeframe" system where developers can say "unable to start for 3 weeks" because they have other jobs/developments etc.
Also i see you point. Jobs are going to be added to our site but at the moment we just want to get the developer side of it done before adding jobs (wont be long till jobs are added)
We may also add a idea submission box where users can suggest an idea which developers can get into contact with them about or develop it and release it.[/QUOTE]
Something like [url]www.fiverr.com[/url] where people can put up jobs (developers put up the jobs) in any category like "I can install darkrp weapons" and then it's first reviewed by the staff, like a rotated scriptfodder. Although if it's limited to garrys mod it might not work too well.. since everything is just "I can do lua bla" which is what everyone would be doing. Well, something that allows communication between server owners and developers, more than just a script and ticket page.. I'm not sure, I'm just giving suggestions as I find it unlikely that a SF copy would get anywhere.
edit: to expand on the rotated scriptfodder I mean that instead of: developer puts up script, people buy it, it's: developer puts up what he can do and any server owner can contact him easily. Although the problem is the price tag for these things. But adding a section like this + a better jobs section + regular scripts would cover areas that scriptfodder doesn't I guess.
I would really like to see jobs categorised/tagged with vgui or lua something that would help coders find jobs tailored to their abilities and maybe some tags for non lua related stuff eg logo design and website coding etc
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[QUOTE=mortalpanda;47609897]I would really like to see jobs categorised/tagged with vgui or lua something that would help coders find jobs tailored to their abilities and maybe some tags for non lua related stuff eg logo design and website coding etc[/QUOTE]
That would be really useful, like I'm terrible at derma and I'm uncertain of where I could find someone to do it and reliably, if it could have information of past work and maybe allow upload pictures etc or something
I was also considering doing rust lua as well (however that atm is a purely public and free script area) - very few private scripts due to constant development being required making it hard to price. I could look into bringing an envato style approach to the site later on. For now lets just see how the website is accepted and go from there.
[editline]27th April 2015[/editline]
I own the dedicated server its currently running on and its isolated from all other users + no payment information thats "extremely sensitive is stored". We are currently just a medium for people buy and sell scripts.
[B]Alright guys, I'm WalkerJetBat. The dev of the GLuaScripts as well as pkminer30. I needed to clarify some arguments.[/B]
[B]Argument #1[/B]
Some users suggested that the GLuaScripts is a copied version of Scriptfodder. Please bear in mind that Scripfodder is also a copied version of Coderhire (which I really liked). However, I want all of you to look up for whois.
[url]https://who.is/whois/gluascripts.com[/url] is for GLuaScripts.
[url]https://who.is/whois/scriptfodder.com[/url] is for Scriptfodder.
Now take a look at their registration dates. It is same huh? That shows that GLuaScripts is NOT a copy of Scriptfodder. pkminer30 and I was planning to create GLuaScripts long time ago to compete with Coderhire.
[B]Argument #2[/B]
I've seen some complaints saying GLuaScripts offers nothing new. Yeah, that is a bit true. However, GLuaScripts meant to be not to just allow developers sell scripts, but to create a community of developers and hirers to create and develop projects. Hirer would find developers to work on a project, organize the timetable and lead a group of devs to finish their job on time. In short, the aim of GLaScripts was to build a platform of GitHub + Coderhire + Dropbox. Later on, we decided to minimize our aim on start. Here is where we are at the moment.
[B]Argument #3[/B]
If you guys have a look at my profile on Steam, you may see that I'm not having a financial problem for now. Neither pkminer30 does. I guarantee that we are going to use more than 70% of earnings to improve the website and to get more functionalities. That wouldn’t be fair to gain free money from developers. I wouldn’t to be happy to pay some fees to post my script on market if I knew that the founders would spend it and not to commit something new. I have been coding all functions by myself as a hobby. I wouldn’t develop Garry’s Mod addons if I was really looking for money, instead I would do paid jobs 7/24 on Coderhire.
I would like to thank you for your recent supports.
Berk “WalkerJetBat” Alp
[QUOTE=WalkerJetBat;47610879][B]Alright guys, I'm WalkerJetBat. The dev of the GLuaScripts as well as pkminer30. I needed to clarify some arguments.[/B]
[B]Argument #1[/B]
Some users suggested that the GLuaScripts is a copied version of Scriptfodder. Please bear in mind that Scripfodder is also a copied version of Coderhire (which I really liked). However, I want all of you to look up for whois.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's ment as a literal copy of the idea or something as it's indeed SF copied it from Coderhire which went down: I think it's more meaning that what is the point of doing a copy of scriptfodder(functionality wise). I see your other arguments but atleast I don't mean it in a offensive way, just that if you offer the basic things the same it is not worth making, but if you focus on something else then it's a good idea.
[QUOTE=WalkerJetBat;47610879]:words:[/QUOTE]
Thanks for not being a prick like most other sites that do this. If you ever used the job section on coderhire you'd know that there was a file upload function. What would make me use this site a lot, when you get the job section in, would be a system that allows the coder to upload a file, then, when the other person pays, the file is given to them. It would save a lot of fuss, especially with people in different timezones.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;47607653]Also some more feedback if you're willing to accept it.
I love the profile page, the format in my opinion is extremely clean and I missed having reviews as a possibility for the user. The only issue I can see here for now is importing the Steam name.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/zWayD9C.png[/t]
I would suggest leaving it blank for the user to fill out themselves.
As for the home page (and again this is just my opinion) I would make the featured scripts and jobs smaller. This would allow you to fit a lot more without making the page stretch too tall. You could also add a line at the bottom of the header image so if (for example) someone uses a white background like the sample image then it won't look off as it does now.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ouEtTBO.png[/t]
Other than that the site is pretty to look at and well laid out, the only issue I could potentially see is load times but that may just be my internet at this time.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your ideas. I'll fix that "white line" issue asap. Also your "chaning the Steam name" was a good point. I'll think on it.
[editline]27th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Busan1;47610928]I don't think it's ment as a literal copy of the idea or something as it's indeed SF copied it from Coderhire which went down: I think it's more meaning that what is the point of doing a copy of scriptfodder(functionality wise). I see your other arguments but atleast I don't mean it in a offensive way, just that if you offer the basic things the same it is not worth making, but if you focus on something else then it's a good idea.[/QUOTE]
I didn't take it offensive, instead thank you a lot for reminding me the main purpose of GLua: to make something new. I give you my word to bring new stuff to the website. As a reminder, they are the core features that every marketplace should've right? It is still under development and I will add cool features as we move on! Thanks again :D
[QUOTE=meharryp;47610934]Thanks for not being a prick like most other sites that do this. If you ever used the job section on coderhire you'd know that there was a file upload function. What would make me use this site a lot, when you get the job section in, would be a system that allows the coder to upload a file, then, when the other person pays, the file is given to them. It would save a lot of fuss, especially with people in different timezones.[/QUOTE]
It's not being prick, thats the way any web service should work theoretically. I have never hired a guy on Codderhire but pkminer30 should've used that function. We will have lots of chat with pkminer30 while designing the jobs section. It will be really cool for sure.
[QUOTE=WalkerJetBat;47610879]
[B]Argument #3[/B]I guarantee that we are going to use more than 70% of earnings to improve the website and to get more functionalities. That wouldn’t be fair to gain free money from developers. I wouldn’t to be happy to pay some fees to post my script on market if I knew that the founders would spend it and not to commit something new. I have been coding all functions by myself as a hobby. I wouldn’t develop Garry’s Mod addons if I was really looking for money, instead I would do paid jobs 7/24 on Coderhire.[/QUOTE]
Personally I don't care if you use the site as a means of gaining money. As long as the developer fees are being used to cover hosting costs, not a blatant cashgrab (*cough* 75% *cough*) and competitive with ScriptFodder it's fine. I don't care what you spend the money on, as long as we don't see extended downtime because you blew all the cash on strippers instead of paying the bills.
[QUOTE=!cake;47610997]Personally I don't care if you use the site as a means of gaining money. As long as the developer fees are being used to cover hosting costs, not a blatant cashgrab (*cough* 75% *cough*) and competitive with ScriptFodder it's fine. I don't care what you spend the money on, as long as we don't see extended downtime because you blew all the cash on strippers instead of paying the bills.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, lol you got the point. :P
Im thinking on the job section of it now. I think we could possibly add upload functionality to that on both sides for example:
1) user posting the job can post the content that they want working on if applicable. E.g. an f4 menu (basic design but want it redesigning) you could provide a base for the coder to develop. Perhaps not the best example but you get the idea.
Also additionally we could make it handkle the job completion delivery via the website i.e. Hired applicant can upload the "completed" job to the website so they can be tracked easier and to prevent people working on LEAKED version of addons/scripts from both glua and SF/CH. However this is only an idea as of now but it'd be the paypal integration that'd be hard since it would require people to be developers or have accept to the paypal encrypted settings api in order to accept jobs. We can however look into this.
[editline]27th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE]Personally I don't care if you use the site as a means of gaining money. As long as the developer fees are being used to cover hosting costs, not a blatant cashgrab (*cough* 75% *cough*) and competitive with ScriptFodder it's fine. I don't care what you spend the money on, as long as we don't see extended downtime because you blew all the cash on strippers instead of paying the bills.[/QUOTE]
Well there goes my idea jk. But seriously we intend to make most of the profits go into re-development. We are only asking a $5 subscription which 1/3rd of the ScriptFodder price which will be the STATIC price from now on.
I think adding the option (which Coderhire had) to upload the finished product to the website when it's completed is great. I would not suggest having the funds deducted from the hirer's account though because if you get some people who upload a joke .zip, then they lose the money from their account and have to try and fight it back. It should be up to the both of them for the payment.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;47611426]I think adding the option (which Coderhire had) to upload the finished product to the website when it's completed is great. I would not suggest having the funds deducted from the hirer's account though because if you get some people who upload a joke .zip, then they lose the money from their account and have to try and fight it back. It should be up to the both of them for the payment.[/QUOTE]
Erm yeah, we may use our moderators to check the .zip files before having payment being delivered. Or, like the many 2nd hand marketplaces does, we may hold the payment on our PayPal account during the job being done. Then, we will deliver the payment to the developer when the hirer approves the finished job. The best option so far but PayPal may charge some fees :(
Be the middle man, but don't be the say-all. It's up to the client to check the code (but they can always ask for you guys to see if it's acceptable/no backdoors). For jobs it's primarily between the client and the coder, so there's no need for a moderator to check every jobs .zip that was uploaded.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;47612285]Be the middle man, but don't be the say-all.[/QUOTE]
Yeah just brainstorming.
I like the idea walker mentioned of a middleman however we would be able to review the code and make sure that it would be valid + if somebody does upload joke.zip they would get banned for it under "scamming" however the risk with being middle man would be should a user backcharge. yes we can ban them however we would then be financially at risk as a result.
Alternatively they could just report the issue if the jobcompleted.zip was not as described and actions can be taken from there. However if people want to scam and act that way then there's no way of "safely" preventing this without having an agreement from paypal that would automatically negate chargebacks which is never going to happen. In addition to that we can only safeguard by banning the users who commit the crimes but making it more like a trade would at least rule out the risks involved.
In short:
User Hires Coder -> Coder does the work -> Code marks work as done and attaches file -> User Pays and File is delivered. (Should the User Backcharge they would be banned) - Should the price change then both sides would need to confirm the check before it is approved (will be added later)
[QUOTE=WalkerJetBat;47612216]Erm yeah, we may use our moderators to check the .zip files before having payment being delivered. Or, like the many 2nd hand marketplaces does, we may hold the payment on our PayPal account during the job being done. Then, we will deliver the payment to the developer when the hirer approves the finished job. The best option so far but PayPal may charge some fees :([/QUOTE]
I actually agree with that idea. Call the paypal fees "administration fees"
Even so james we are still dealing with the issue of backcharges and even if we charged 5% on an average sale and paypal took 2.4% leaving 2.6% to us to of set backcharges.
Imagine 100 legitimate jobs no issues at $10 each we would get 0.26 per job meaning $26 total surplus. and then we get a backcharge on a $30 job we would still be down on the costs and the paypal would get locked as a result. Yes we can ban them but what if it was a gamemode ($200) then its basically saying R.I.P Paypal Account.
Basically keep your guy's paypal account out of the picture when it comes to payments other than the dev subscription. It's not necessary.
You really don't look sure of what you're doing at all.
[QUOTE=Phoenixf129;47615935]You really don't look sure of what you're doing at all.[/QUOTE]
They seem like they do, they are having healthy discussions with the community to get there views on what they should do when it comes to certain aspects of the site. There also based on there current posts clearly thinking how an idea can have its pros and cons and again getting views on the idea.
This site is still in development meaning they can and will change current features and start thinking about others. I feel so far there communication with the people who are replying is great they show dedication and a clearly want to take there project further not only that but getting ideas on how it works from the people that will most likely use it.
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