August 2015 Garry's Mod Gamemode Competition, Hosted by Mod Mountain - Developers

[QUOTE=SirSavary;48311712]As promised, here's the current rules for teams: - Teams of up to 5 people are permitted - One gamemode is to be submitted - Your score will be reduced based on the size of your team - You will not receive extra prizes Here is how scores will be reduced based on team size: 1 person team: 0% reduction 2 person team: 30% reduction 3 person team: 50% reduction 4 person team: 70% reduction 5 person team: 90% reduction I will change these values as they are discussed. Originally I had a crazy complex formula that used exponentials and stuff but it was far too complicated. If you are going to be a part of a team, please select one person to be your team representative. Have them fill out the survey as they normally would, choosing "Gamemode Developer" as their role. Have them input the team size and select that will be representing a team. They will then be prompted to fill in the names of their teammates. Once the representative is done filling out the survey, each other team member must complete it too. Instead of choosing to be a representative, they will choose to join an existing team. They will then enter the name of their team's representative. Please do not join someone's team without asking. [B]Edit:[/B] Forgot to mention that if you already registered you can fill the survey out a second time and it will overwrite your results. It's not too late to form a team![/QUOTE] Why the fuck do you punish a better gamemode into having almost no chance of winning at 90% score loss just for having more users creating it? That isn't any incentive to make good gamemodes at all, [B]which should be the primary concern of this contest, not protecting the feelings of the lone wolf developer[/B] splitting the award between the team is penalty enough and is the only sensible thing to do [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] also: theme restriction is really stupid, only limiting creativity when you could instead [I]suggest[/I] themes

I am also very much against punishing teamwork. Besides, working on a team tends to just make things more difficult if people don't [I]really[/I] have their shit together. That being said, could you: A) Not lock entries when the comp starts and B) Not lock people into the same teams? In the last compo entries were locked when it started which somewhat confused me. Hell, most Game Jams don't care if you announce your entry beforehand as long as you submit something within the correct timeframe. I'd rather teams not be locked because teams could turn into a clusterfuck and if I'm on a team I'd like the option to [del]ditch those fuckboys[/del] part ways with my fellow talented developers. If you insist on penalizing team scores I wouldn't go lower than 50%. I'm fine with theme restrictions. If we get to choose from 3 then I'm set. I'm more than willing to dump my (probably shitty) excess ideas on everyone after I figure out what I'm doing.

[quote] - You cannot sell your finished gamemode but you may accept donations. [/quote] What? It's not up to you to decide.

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48312544]What? It's not up to you to decide.[/QUOTE] If you don't agree with the competition rules, then don't enter? Gamemode competitions are meant to stimulate creativity and rejuvenate the community with fresh new original gamemodes. If those gamemodes aren't then made free to others, then what's the point?

I admit limiting theme is useful for keeping people from starting development early. If teams lose ANY percentage I won't even enter, despite planning to work on my own. Every single gamemode competition for years has been an absolute clusterfuck of poor decisions, and that's a huge warning sign. Why would you restrict people so that they have to announce participation before the starting date? These arbitrary restrictions and penalties make for a shitty contest that doesn't promote making innovative new gamemodes that this game really needs. I have more going on in my life than to worry that I'll suffer a clusterfuck of bad decisions like the last time I entered a contest with a complex animation system boss monster that was scored worse than [I]a pedobear remake of an existing game[/I]

[QUOTE=James xX;48312810]If you don't agree with the competition rules, then don't enter? Gamemode competitions are meant to stimulate creativity and rejuvenate the community with fresh new original gamemodes. If those gamemodes aren't then made free to others, then what's the point?[/QUOTE] Ever heard about copyright? Rules aren't legit.

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48313000]Ever heard about copyright? Rules aren't legit.[/QUOTE] you can copyright your gamemode and choose a pricing model however much you please but the contest holder (the guy with the prizes) can choose to disqualify you for it

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48313000]Ever heard about copyright? Rules aren't legit.[/QUOTE] No one is forcing you to join, stop acting like a hardass

[QUOTE=bitches;48313075]you can copyright your gamemode and choose a pricing model however much you please but the contest holder (the guy with the prizes) can choose to disqualify you for it[/QUOTE] How can he if you polish up your gamemode and release it a month after the competition has ended?

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48314027]How can he if you polish up your gamemode and release it a month after the competition has ended?[/QUOTE] That's right, he can't. I think that gamemode creators are free (by copyright) to sell their gamemodes after contest ends. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mikey Howell;48313080]No one is forcing you to join, stop acting like a hardass[/QUOTE] I'm not a hardass, I just don't like silly rules.

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48314046]That's right, he can't. I think that gamemode creators are free (by copyright) to sell their gamemodes after contest ends. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] I'm not a hardass, I just don't like silly rules.[/QUOTE] Yes, [I]he can[/I]. He can offer you the prizes with the condition that your gamemode remain open source. If you don't agree, don't enter, but if I were them, I would even accept your entry given how much drama you're causing about this.

[QUOTE=James xX;48314073]Yes, [I]he can[/I]. He can offer you the prizes with the condition that your gamemode remain open source. If you don't agree, don't enter, but if I were them, I would even accept your entry given how much drama you're causing about this.[/QUOTE] 1) Don't call it a drama, silly. 2) Mod mountain doesn't have rights over gamemodes, conditions apply only while contest is held. I think you should stop misinterpreting rules.

[QUOTE=James xX;48314073]Yes, [I]he can[/I]. He can offer you the prizes with the condition that your gamemode remain open source. If you don't agree, don't enter, but if I were them, I would even accept your entry given how much drama you're causing about this.[/QUOTE] No, really, I'm asking a legitimate question. How do you stop someone from just selling their gamemode a month later?

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48314127]1) Don't call it a drama, silly. 2) Mod mountain doesn't have rights over gamemodes, conditions apply only while contest is held. I think you should stop misinterpreting rules.[/QUOTE] I'm not misinterpreting the rules, on the contrary, you're misinterpreting how binding a written contract can be. When you enter the competition, you agree to the terms and conditions (or "rules"). If these rules say that you're gamemode has to remain open source, then you agree to that by entering. Boom. [QUOTE=BFG9000;48314149]No, really, I'm asking a legitimate question. How do you stop someone from just selling their gamemode a month later?[/QUOTE] I don't know about steam games, but if money was donated, they could simply reverse the payment.

[QUOTE=James xX;48314195]I'm not misinterpreting the rules, on the contrary, you're misinterpreting how binding a written contract can be. When you enter the competition, you agree to the terms and conditions (or "rules"). If these rules say that you're gamemode has to remain open source, then you agree to that by entering. Boom. I don't know about steam games, but if money was donated, they could simply reverse the payment.[/QUOTE] But does ToS have legal consequences? No, it doesn't. And contest is not a donation. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] payment reverse == fraud

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48314310]But does ToS have legal consequences? No, it doesn't. And contest is not a donation. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] payment reverse == fraud[/QUOTE] ToS are a contract, though. (You agree to a contract, how would it not be a contract?) The user agrees to abide by the terms, and in exchange the other party supplies a service or whatnot. So yes, it can have legal consequences. [url]https://www.eff.org/nl/wp/clicks-bind-ways-users-agree-online-terms-service[/url] in case you insist they're not.

Alright, I'm in. Got my 100% original idea; Puppet Fighter You can just give me that gold now. But seriously, I'll be lucky if I can think of something for this

[QUOTE=Breny;48314478]ToS are a contract, though. (You agree to a contract, how would it not be a contract?) The user agrees to abide by the terms, and in exchange the other party supplies a service or whatnot. So yes, it can have legal consequences. [url]https://www.eff.org/nl/wp/clicks-bind-ways-users-agree-online-terms-service[/url] in case you insist they're not.[/QUOTE] eff page is not a legal document [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] ToS is effective as long as service is provided.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48314149]No, really, I'm asking a legitimate question. How do you stop someone from just selling their gamemode a month later?[/QUOTE] That'd be pretty silly since you need to open source it for the competition.

[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;48315452]That'd be pretty silly since you need to open source it for the competition.[/QUOTE] open source doesn't mean not allowed to be sold.

Well, than you're an idiot for trying to sell freely available content.

[QUOTE=crazyscouter;48315612]Well, than you're an idiot for trying to sell freely available content.[/QUOTE] I think that you don't even know what open source means. For example, GNU GPL v3 requires you to give sources to users obtaining your end product, that is all. It doesn't require you to release sources and end-product in public and et cetera.

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48315800]I think that you don't even know what open source means. For example, GNU GPL v3 requires you to give sources to users obtaining your end product, that is all. It doesn't require you to release sources and end-product in public and et cetera.[/QUOTE] How do you compile lua source to make an end product that you can drag and drop into Garry's Mod, because I'm quite interested.

[QUOTE=crazyscouter;48315857]How do you compile lua source to make an end product that you can drag and drop into Garry's Mod, because I'm quite interested.[/QUOTE] That is, source is end product itself. "Freely available content" doesn't guarantee future updates and support. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] I think you should read up on this topic and educate yourself, open source is not a cure to all problems :)

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48315873]That is, source is end product itself. "Freely available content" doesn't guarantee future updates and support. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] I think you should read up on this topic and educate yourself, open source is not a cure to all problems :)[/QUOTE] Then you can argue that the freely available content product is a different product entirely from the clsoed source updated content.

take this stupid gimmick account arguing elsewhere; stop responding to it

I think that contest managers should withdraw this rule. It makes no sense. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;48315945]take this stupid gimmick account arguing elsewhere; stop responding to it[/QUOTE] Ata boy, that's a fallacy. [editline]28th July 2015[/editline] Where I'm going to take it? It's directly connected to this contest.

I say we just disqualify him, no point in arguing about something.

[QUOTE=bububuubb;48315947]I think that contest managers should withdraw this rule. It makes no sense. [/QUOTE] I think you're the only one it doesn't make any sense to, which says more about you than it does the competition :v:

[QUOTE=FireArrow133;48316117]I say we just disqualify him, no point in arguing about something.[/QUOTE] Your passiveness kills me.