[QUOTE=adamdburton;44515479]
This isn't going to happen because everyone loses out on paypal fees. From the buyer to me, me to the seller. ~6% + $0.60 for each transaction.[/QUOTE]
What about using something like balanced payments instead of paypal? They wouldn't charge twice, and they're significantly more helpful when dealing with chargebacks.
or use a game card service of some sort
(just don't choose ultimate pay it sucks)
what about purely club penguin membership cards
This guy is getting super mad at me, I made him a factions thing in DarkRP, complete custom, he is mad because when someone leaves the server and rejoins, they have to rejoin their faction, here is how the system works
The leader adds you to a faction, example "Cop" faction, you type !factions and it shows your factions, so it would show "Cop", then you click join, once in this faction you can only do jobs associated to the faction, he is mad because when a player leaves the server and re-joins, the factions they are in are saved, but they need to rejoin it, they have to type !factions and press a join button to rejoin the faction. it's not like the leader has to re-add you, no it's saved, you just need to click join on faction to access the faction jobs. Like what the hell, he is full having a go at me, when people leave, generally everything resets, so I followed that since it's a DarkRP server, and he is saying "You just assumed that's what I wanted", when all he said was some very shitty description of what he wanted
:suicide:
Is it really such a big deal, you can't do !factions, like come on, how lazy are you
/RANT OFF
With regards to the Neon-Networks post, yea, i admit, that was a stupid page i added late at night, i corrected my grammar soon after.. We are not paying coderhire, and we are not using wordpress to power our website. What we do try and provide is a good service, i know judging from that post, we may seem amateur, but we have many customers who have said we are the best providers they have used. I can quote them on it to.. So please, don't assume that because of some bad spelling made by me that the network is bad.
The website theme was to my knowledge, made by a friend. It leads me to think its a remake of the theme, as we do not use wordpress.
I apologize for the poor grammar, and will be looking into the theme.
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;44516976]This guy is getting super mad at me, I made him a factions thing in DarkRP, complete custom, he is mad because when someone leaves the server and rejoins, they have to rejoin their faction, here is how the system works
The leader adds you to a faction, example "Cop" faction, you type !factions and it shows your factions, so it would show "Cop", then you click join, once in this faction you can only do jobs associated to the faction, he is mad because when a player leaves the server and re-joins, the factions they are in are saved, but they need to rejoin it, they have to type !factions and press a join button to rejoin the faction. it's not like the leader has to re-add you, no it's saved, you just need to click join on faction to access the faction jobs. Like what the hell, he is full having a go at me, when people leave, generally everything resets, so I followed that since it's a DarkRP server, and he is saying "You just assumed that's what I wanted", when all he said was some very shitty description of what he wanted
:suicide:
Is it really such a big deal, you can't do !factions, like come on, how lazy are you
/RANT OFF[/QUOTE]
Change it; it is a simple thing to fix and lessens the likelihood that he'd charge-back?
-snip tut != for paid-
Since you have it saved; why not just add it to PlayerInitialSpawn that it rejoins the faction they were last in; it'd be like only a few lines of code.
[QUOTE=Acecool;44517022]Change it; it is a simple thing to fix and lessens the likelihood that he'd charge-back?
-snip tut != for paid-
Since you have it saved; why not just add it to PlayerInitialSpawn that it rejoins the faction they were last in; it'd be like only a few lines of code.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not that it's hard to do, it's really easy, but I have done the job, and it's what he wanted at the time, he wasn't descriptive, and he is getting angry saying I'm unprofessional (I won't lie, I am very unprofessional) he just needs to calm down
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;44516976]This guy is getting super mad at me, I made him a factions thing in DarkRP, complete custom, he is mad because when someone leaves the server and rejoins, they have to rejoin their faction, here is how the system works
The leader adds you to a faction, example "Cop" faction, you type !factions and it shows your factions, so it would show "Cop", then you click join, once in this faction you can only do jobs associated to the faction, he is mad because when a player leaves the server and re-joins, the factions they are in are saved, but they need to rejoin it, they have to type !factions and press a join button to rejoin the faction. it's not like the leader has to re-add you, no it's saved, you just need to click join on faction to access the faction jobs. Like what the hell, he is full having a go at me, when people leave, generally everything resets, so I followed that since it's a DarkRP server, and he is saying "You just assumed that's what I wanted", when all he said was some very shitty description of what he wanted
:suicide:
Is it really such a big deal, you can't do !factions, like come on, how lazy are you
/RANT OFF[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be just easier to make players stay in the faction?
You are the lazy one here.
But yes, if he is blaming you for something being the same as he purchased after reading what description says then yeah, I understand how annoying this can be.
How long after he received the script did he make the complaint? What was the original description? Honestly, it's not a huge request or huge change he's asking for, and if it's a small edit that makes the difference between a happy vs pissed off customer, I'd do it. Don't let them walk over you, but since they pay you, you should focus on making them happy.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;44517528][img]http://i.imgur.com/m8hONCq.png[/img]
hm, what a cunt.[/QUOTE]
Erm...
[img]http://puu.sh/84xgU.png[/img]
[img]http://puu.sh/84ypm.png[/img]
Yeah, about that.
[QUOTE=Phoenixf129;44517951][img]http://puu.sh/84ypm.png[/img]
Yeah, about that.[/QUOTE]
Is it Coderhire reversal day or what?
And as said before, one of these guys (The Resistance's friends) is a massive leaker, because he surely asked The Resistance to buy scripts for him (otherwise, why would a guy who has 240hrs in gmod buy scripts).
That is, if it's not his alt acc.
[img_thumb]http://puu.sh/83e2h.png[/img_thumb]
looks like this is really becoming an issue now. Isn't there any solution short of forcing people to use bitcoin?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;44518530]looks like this is really becoming an issue now. Isn't there any solution short of forcing people to use bitcoin?[/QUOTE]
I think new users, or users that haven't been on coder-hire for a while, or users that haven't purchased x number of scripts are limited to buying 1 script per x days / 1 week.
So display a notice at the top ( NOTICE: You're new to this site in terms of purchasing scripts. Your account is limited to purchasing one ( 1 ) script every x days until you become established. )
[QUOTE=Acecool;44518550]I think new users, or users that haven't been on coder-hire for a while, or users that haven't purchased x number of scripts are limited to buying 1 script per x days / 1 week.
So display a notice at the top ( NOTICE: You're new to this site in terms of purchasing scripts. Your account is limited to purchasing one ( 1 ) script every x days until you become established. )[/QUOTE]
Anything like that will reduce amount of purchases and that's what Adam is against.
He would rather have random people file disputes to paypal and make you lose 10-20$ rather than lose 250-500$ in total.
My friend tends to get big amount of cash every once and a while so what he does is buy a shit load of scripts every time he gets money
I added the guy on steam and the first thing he said was "who the fuck are you ?"
When I asked him why he chargedback the money for the motd hes answer was "what is an motd?"
He pretended he didn't know what coderhire is and this kind of bullshit and I ended up removing him.
[QUOTE=Acecool;44518550]I think new users, or users that haven't been on coder-hire for a while, or users that haven't purchased x number of scripts are limited to buying 1 script per x days / 1 week.
So display a notice at the top ( NOTICE: You're new to this site in terms of purchasing scripts. Your account is limited to purchasing one ( 1 ) script every x days until you become established. )[/QUOTE]
I think it really isn't that much of an issue that legit users need to be limited. I've had chargebacks on 1% of all sales last year and of those only 50% were even successful. Total amount charbacked is 0.4% of sales.
Of course you can be unlucky and get more chargebacks but i don't think there is much of a risk unless you're an asshole to your customers, don't fix bugs and neglect support.
Can anyone explain to me why Phoenixf129 has been unbanned from the site [i]twice[/i] now and the report my client and I made about him selling other people's scripts as his own outside of CoderHire seems to have gone ignored?
Is it really just because he's active in the community and has all the admins on his friends list? :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=BFG9000;44518530]looks like this is really becoming an issue now. Isn't there any solution short of forcing people to use bitcoin?[/QUOTE]
There are tons of payments systems out there that aren't as shit tier as Paypal or just awful like Bitcoin-only.
I really don't know why anybody ever uses Paypal, it's never been a very good service, and right now it's the worst thing I can think of, especially for a seller. Using any of the other systems however would mean you may have to drop direct transfers of funds (annoying the developers a bit I guess, but it's extra security for their income in a way) and having a manual conflict resolution system so if people want to chargeback, they have to put effort in to it.
[editline]11th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Acecool;44518550]I think new users, or users that haven't been on coder-hire for a while, or users that haven't purchased x number of scripts are limited to buying 1 script per x days / 1 week.
So display a notice at the top ( NOTICE: You're new to this site in terms of purchasing scripts. Your account is limited to purchasing one ( 1 ) script every x days until you become established. )[/QUOTE]
This is a terrible system and no self respecting sales point would ever use it. It's massively detrimental to both the buyers and sellers. If you're going to post an idea, at least think it through a bit more, Christ.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44518734]I really don't know why anybody ever uses Paypal[/QUOTE]
Because it's easy to use and a huge amount of sites support it. Probably helped that eBay purchased it and started forcing it's users to use it.
[QUOTE=spykr;44518751]Because it's easy to use and a huge amount of sites support it. Probably helped that eBay purchased it and started forcing it's users to use it.[/QUOTE]
That's a silly reason to continue using a service that just isn't actually any good. Sure, its supported by a lot of websites, but that doesn't mean you need to use it. Remember, you're not a lot of websites, you're [B]a[/B] website.
A lot of the other payment processors might require Coderhire to change how it runs a bit internally however, as a lot of them probably wouldn't support direct payment in the slightest.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44518772]That's a silly reason to continue using a service that just isn't actually any good. Sure, its supported by a lot of websites, but that doesn't mean you need to use it. Remember, you're not a lot of websites, you're [B]a[/B] website.
A lot of the other payment processors might require Coderhire to change how it runs a bit internally however, as a lot of them probably wouldn't support direct payment in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Having no competing service that is better/more popular isn't a silly reason to use a website, it's the reason YouTube is still huge despite the Google+ and video takedown controversies.
Remember we're in a CoderHire thread, a website that [i]only[/i] supports PayPal. If you don't have a PayPal account you can't use CoderHire. And it's one of many.
[QUOTE=spykr;44518802]Having no competing service that is better/more popular isn't a silly reason to use a website, it's the reason YouTube is still huge despite the Google+ and video takedown controversies.
Remember we're in a CoderHire thread, a website that [i]only[/i] supports PayPal. If you don't have a PayPal account you can't use CoderHire. And it's one of many.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually reading my posts here? I'm not suggesting the users just drop PayPal and give up, instead that CoderHire actually look in to moving to a service that isn't PayPal to stop shitlords using the chargeback system constantly.
As much as I despise the idea of Coderhire (it's a fucking addon for a game guys), developers getting screwed out of their money is something that pisses me off to no end because that shit just isn't on.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44518832]Are you actually reading my posts here? I'm not suggesting the users just drop PayPal and give up, instead that CoderHire actually look in to moving to a service that isn't PayPal to stop shitlords using the chargeback system constantly.
[/QUOTE]
Oh, goddamn. You're talking about [I]websites [/I]and I'm talking about [I]users[/I]... My bad.
Now I understand why you said "Remember, you're not a lot of websites, you're a website.", I thought you were just calling me a website and I was mildly offended.
Almost all of my scripts on coderhire.com have been leaked and I've still seen few declines in profits.
The people who are leaking scripts or using leaked scripts are not the types of people who would be buying your scripts anyway. Honestly just having my scripts used on more servers makes more people recognize them when they see them on coderhire and therefore more inclined to buy them.
Leakers and users of leaks are not a major part of the market for scripts and really don't have a huge impact on profits.
As for chargebacks the same point stands... The people who issue chargebacks wouldn't be part of your potential market anyway. They arnt really inflicting any damage since it's not like you would be getting any more money if they couldn't chargeback scam you'd just be annoyed by it less frequently. Honestly I think that we get enough money from those who do use the system the way it's intended to use that a few percent of people who are being dicks really doesn't make a huge difference.
Look at companies like adobe. Can you name any of their products for which a torrent isn't avaliable (I can't) yet they still have profits in the billions each year. They understand that the people using the torrents aren't the people who would be buying their products anyway and, further more, rodents actually provide students access to their software which they will then be more inclined to use authentically if they enter a career using it.
[QUOTE=spykr;44518669]Can anyone explain to me why Phoenixf129 has been unbanned from the site [i]twice[/i] now and the report my client and I made about him selling other people's scripts as his own outside of CoderHire seems to have gone ignored?
Is it really just because he's active in the community and has all the admins on his friends list? :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
Wait, what.
Scrn or it didn't happen.
[QUOTE=spykr;44518888]Oh, goddamn. You're talking about [I]websites [/I]and I'm talking about [I]users[/I]... My bad.
Now I understand why you said "Remember, you're not a lot of websites, you're a website.", I thought you were just calling me a website and I was mildly offended.[/QUOTE]
mang, if I was called a website, that shit would be cool. Being able to travel the world and shit.
But yeah, I expect a massive problem with the leaking of scripts is how easy it is for someone to make sockpuppet accounts, buy their desired leakable, and get their money back in what...a few hours at most? Removing the ability to chargeback should cut down the amount of leaking as the initial purchase now actually has impact on the users wallet. Obviously a manual solution will be needed for genuine scams and noise.
[QUOTE=Netheous;44518919]Wait, what.
Scrn or it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]
Because it didn't happen. It has already been discussed, [I]in depth[/I]. There really is nothing stopping people from downloading leaks from websites and then saying "xyz sold me this".
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