[QUOTE=Netheous;44518919]Wait, what.
Scrn or it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]
Screen of what? Even just searching Pastebin for his username (yes, I tried some "investigating" myself after reporting him to Adam) you can find a few of his transgressions [URL="http://pastebin.com/h0DucXXg"]like him using Jaanus's models without permission[/URL] (I believe this is responsible for one of his previous CoderHire bans), [URL="http://pastebin.com/jgSy0ukM"]him trying to convince Jaanus to ban someone from Facepunch just for disagreeing with him[/URL] and [URL="http://pastebin.com/mkcNx4pP"]the report my client recently sent to Adam[/URL].
If you're asking for the messages I sent to Adam then here are both:
[quote][B]spykr to adamdburton:[/B]
Hey, I've been suspicious of the user Phoenixf129 ([url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/phoenixf129[/url]) for quite some time now after hearing that he was previously banned from this site and seeing that his HUD system contained a HUD that looked extremely similar to the one I made for my own server. Copying the HUD wasn't my issue, me commenting on the script about it and getting absolutely 0 response from Phoenix is what made me wary of him.
Anyway, I was conversing with a hirer I've been doing business with when he saw my Cloaking Device script and realised he had been sold that exact script by the coder Phoenixf129 under the pretence that it was his own work.
Here's screenshots of my chat, I know this isn't proof of the sale but I hope this will add to any previous suspicion of him and his shady behaviour:
[url]http://puu.sh/80xPh.png[/url]
[url]http://puu.sh/80xRO.png[/url]
Excuse my language, I was pretty severely pissed at having my suspicions confirmed in this way; when he mentioned the sale I was almost instantly sure he was talking about Phoenix.
The user sent me this link: [B][redacted][/B] which leads to the file from my addon in which Phoenix didn't even bother to change the material name ("materials/VGUI/ttt/icon_spykr_cloak.vmt").
Please get back to me on this issue, thanks in advance.[/quote]
[quote][B]spykr to adamdburton:[/B]
Hey, sorry but I've also found out that the user I was talking to was sold a workshop script by Phoenix under the pretence that he coded it. The user confirmed that the contents of the code are exactly the same and it even says "Extracted with MulleDK19's GMAD Extractor" in Phoenix's "version" of the addon. I don't know if this is against CoderHire's rules but to me it's disgusting and shows his attitude towards customers and other coders.
[url]http://puu.sh/80yFD.png[/url]
[url]http://puu.sh/80yGc.png[/url][/quote]
I know my report alone (even with PayPal transactions between Frubbs and Phoenix and Frubbs having my script without having bought it) might not be enough to take any action but it kind of dumbfounds me that he has been unbanned from the site twice in the first place. :S
[QUOTE=Phoenixf129;44518995]Because it didn't happen. It has already been discussed, [I]in depth[/I]. There really is nothing stopping people from downloading leaks from websites and then saying "xyz sold me this".[/QUOTE]
This fucking guy.... I will black out the PayPal payments for his privacy but here is everything I have in a screenshot...
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sfFXlE8.png[/IMG]
Get this too... this guy admitted to selling me the Spykr code in TS3 about 10 seconds before he banned me from it... I was recording my microphone rather than recording my desktop audio by mistake in Audacity.
[url]https://soundcloud.com/frubbs/phoenix-conversation[/url]
This guy is a lying scum and is blatantly doing it to your faces. He lied to Undefined himself and I have no LARGE reputation like this guy so I cannot fight back at anything he says.
[QUOTE=spykr;44519074]Screen of what? Even just searching Pastebin for his username (yes, I tried some "investigating" myself after reporting him to Adam) you can find a few of his transgressions [URL="http://pastebin.com/h0DucXXg"]like him using Jaanus's models without permission[/URL] (I believe this is responsible for one of his previous CoderHire bans), [URL="http://pastebin.com/jgSy0ukM"]him trying to convince Jaanus to ban someone from Facepunch just for disagreeing with him[/URL] and [URL="http://pastebin.com/mkcNx4pP"]the report my client recently sent to Adam[/URL].
If you're asking for the messages I sent to Adam then here are both:
I know my report alone (even with PayPal transactions between Frubbs and Phoenix and Frubbs having my script without having bought it) might not be enough to take any action but it kind of dumbfounds me that he has been unbanned from the site twice in the first place. :S[/QUOTE]
Bring up more shit ok..?
Like I said, there's no proof of such an action, proof cannot be provided because it did not happen.
Stop listening to Frubbs already, I did some work for him, which if you like, I can show you the EXACT same ZIP that he got, and Adam has seen.
The hell is wrong with you Frubbs? I mean making false accusations is fine and all, but even voice acting too? I'm sick of your bullshit.
TLDR, I'm sick of this shit, I FUCKING REFUSE to do jobs for people, I have stuck to script creation for over three months, and cunts like you are what make me wonder why I bother.
[QUOTE=Phoenixf129;44519183]Bring up more shit ok..?
Like I said, there's no proof of such an action, proof cannot be provided because it did not happen.
Stop listening to Frubbs already, I did some work for him, which if you like, I can show you the EXACT same ZIP that he got, and Adam has seen.[/QUOTE]
Phoenix stop wiping everyone's arse and acting like you didn't do anything. You can only wear a mask for so long before the community sees what you really are. Had I been used the right audio source rather than talking to myself in that recording you would be banned permanently right now. So just stop acting like you didn't do anything. Your credibility and reputation are decaying everytime this is discussed. I suggest you either opt out of discussing or actually do the right thing and admit you sold his damn code.
[QUOTE=Phoenixf129;44519183]Stop listening to Frubbs already, I did some work for him, which if you like, I can show you the EXACT same ZIP that he got, and Adam has seen.[/QUOTE]
I've already seen multiple PayPal transaction details between you and him, sending me a single zip file is less proof than anything I've posted so far.
I'd already worked with Frubbs on multiple jobs before he brought this to my attention and he had showed me the dismemberment mod you sold him the very first time we spoke. What could he possibly get from planting that seed and then over a week later telling me that the things you sold to him weren't yours?
Even if I didn't trust him my previous suspicion and your previous bans and attitude would've been enough for me to follow this up with Adam.
Either way I don't wish to continue using this thread for argument, especially with an angry Frubbs getting involved. I've messaged Adam again in an attempt to get an update on his perspective about the situation.
[QUOTE=Frubbs;44519231]Phoenix stop wiping everyone's arse and acting like you didn't do anything. You can only wear a mask for so long before the community sees what you really are. Had I been used the right audio source rather than talking to myself in that recording you would be banned permanently right now. So just stop acting like you didn't do anything. Your credibility and reputation are decaying everytime this is discussed. I suggest you either opt out of discussing or actually do the right thing and admit you sold his damn code.[/QUOTE]
Grow up. I've already discussed this, say what you like, i'm sick of people like YOU who manipulate, twist and forge data just because "you can".
Remember how I fixed all your issues with your server via teamviewer, because you were too stupid to fix them yourself? Yeah, I won't be doing that anymore, no more good Samaritan, people can go fuck themselves, i'll stick to what I do and won't be helping people with their servers anymore, until they have earned my trust. Post what you like, it won't change my view on the matter, or on you. I'm sick and tired of arguing about people's bullshit drama's.
And just from my record, there are two zips, one named "magic.zip" and one named "PhoStuff.zip", and an extra transaction for a HUDfix(?) and some pointshop powerups which were done via teamviewer.
[img]http://puu.sh/84IUu.png[/img]
Here's the results of the [del]drama[/del] conversation the other day.
[QUOTE=adamdburton;44519312][img]http://puu.sh/84IUu.png[/img]
Here's the results of the [del]drama[/del] conversation the other day.[/QUOTE]
I'll leave it at this I suppose. I didn't edit a line of code in the files I sent you, I grabbed it from my FTP and sent it. I did "alter" the EDIT: image file however I admit. I had deleted the original files he sent me so instead I grabbed a re-made version from my FTP, but he told me to keep the same file name when I created it. I never said you could hear Phoenix, I did say you may be able to if you enhanced it. The closest I got to was a murmur. Believe who you may, but one of us has a past that still lingers and other than this scenario I am a clean slate. I do not use leaked scripts. That is about as much convincing as I can do in this case I guess...
EDIT: The reason Undefined doubts me I suppose is that the date of creation was the day I sent it to him and I lack none of the .zip files Phoenix sent me. Neither of us have evidence.
[QUOTE=adamdburton;44519312][img]http://puu.sh/84IUu.png[/img]
Here's the results of the [del]drama[/del] conversation the other day.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting this, I'm discussing the situation with Frubbs to try and work out exactly what happened. If he's lying to me about this then I'm coming up completely blank at trying to find a motive.
But it is possible I believed Frubbs too quickly (because I trusted Frubbs and was suspicious of Phoenix) and if Phoenix is really telling the truth I would like to sincerely apologize. However I'm not sure I'll be finding the definitive truth any time soon...
Sorry about bringing the drama to Facepunch, I was starting to get :tinfoil: after 3 days and no reply.
[B]EDITED:[/B] Added Phoenix to try and discuss the situation and he blocked and deleted me without saying a thing. Classic stuff from Phoenix, definitely not a shady person who I didn't have a reason to distrust.
[QUOTE=spykr;44519390]Thanks for posting this, I'm discussing the situation with Frubbs to try and work out exactly what happened. If he's lying to me about this then I'm coming up completely blank at trying to find a motive.
But it is possible I believed Frubbs too quickly (because I trusted Frubbs and was suspicious of Phoenix) and if Phoenix is really telling the truth I would like to sincerely apologize. However I'm not sure I'll be finding the definitive truth any time soon...
Sorry about bringing the drama to Facepunch, I was starting to get :tinfoil: after 3 days and no reply.
[B]EDITED:[/B] Added Phoenix to try and discuss the situation and he blocked and deleted me without saying a thing. Classic stuff from Phoenix, definitely not a shady person who I didn't have a reason to distrust.[/QUOTE]
I didn't block you. I clicked "Ignore". Friends-List is for Friends, and you sir, are not my friend.
[QUOTE=spykr;44519390]Thanks for posting this, I'm discussing the situation with Frubbs to try and work out exactly what happened. If he's lying to me about this then I'm coming up completely blank at trying to find a motive.
But it is possible I believed Frubbs too quickly (because I trusted Frubbs and was suspicious of Phoenix) and if Phoenix is really telling the truth I would like to sincerely apologize. However I'm not sure I'll be finding the definitive truth any time soon...
Sorry about bringing the drama to Facepunch, I was starting to get :tinfoil: after 3 days and no reply.
[B]EDITED:[/B] Added Phoenix to try and discuss the situation and he blocked and deleted me without saying a thing. Classic stuff from Phoenix, definitely not a shady person who I didn't have a reason to distrust.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realise this was the "CoderHire domestics thread"
[QUOTE=Phoenixf129;44519694]I didn't block you. I clicked "Ignore". Friends-List is for Friends, and you sir, are not my friend.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number"]I didn't know a human being was capable of maintaining a circle of over 280 friends.[/URL] Good effort, all the more power to you pal.
P.S. When you block someone it gives them an error when they try to re-add you, kind of a dead give-away.
P.P.S. Clicking ignore doesn't cause a notification to come up telling me that you're playing Garry's Mod.
P.P.P.S. You're not proving yourself to be a very honest person here.
P.P.P.P.S. Have a great day, I love you!
Anyway I'm out of this thread for now, I know you're on multiple people's watchlists already so one day in the future when you're banned (for the third time!) I'll just softly chuckle and remember the day I was marked dumb for reporting you.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44518734]There are tons of payments systems out there that aren't as shit tier as Paypal or just awful like Bitcoin-only.
I really don't know why anybody ever uses Paypal, it's never been a very good service, and right now it's the worst thing I can think of, especially for a seller. Using any of the other systems however would mean you may have to drop direct transfers of funds (annoying the developers a bit I guess, but it's extra security for their income in a way) and having a manual conflict resolution system so if people want to chargeback, they have to put effort in to it.
[editline]11th April 2014[/editline]
This is a terrible system and no self respecting sales point would ever use it. It's massively detrimental to both the buyers and sellers. If you're going to post an idea, at least think it through a bit more, Christ.[/QUOTE]
Well, currently you have to have an account for 6 months before you can buy. What would adding 1 month on top of that be? 4 scripts within 4 weeks. Or 8 scripts within 4 weeks. With no complaints you gain unlimited access. Think of it as another buffer, a probationary period.
I dont like phoenix due to his constant betrayal of people, but I would like to believe he is not the type to do something so stupid as not cover his tracks when selling someone elses code
Why would someone sell you code and at least not remove spykr's name out of it?
Either way there is no proof. Nothing shall be done.
[QUOTE=Netheous;44518579]Anything like that will reduce amount of purchases and that's what Adam is against.
He would rather have random people file disputes to paypal and make you lose 10-20$ rather than lose 250-500$ in total.[/QUOTE]
It could be implemented differently; right now you need to have an account for 6 months before you can sign up for coderhire. Having a temporary probationary period wouldn't hurt.
The BEST idea of all would be for coder-hire to offer a CD to be burned by CODERHIRE, and mailed by CODERHIRE for the cost of shipping plus $2.50 for the cd or so. Additionally, if you have multiple items purchased, you can add all of the purchases onto the one cd and only pay shipping once, with a $2.50 fee for cd, and $.25 or $.50 per additional object to be burned ( or per mb )
This way there would be a tracking number and "tangible" goods which would be harder to charge-back. If they don't request it, you can use that as fuel to fight against charge backs!
[QUOTE=Acecool;44519915]Well, currently you have to have an account for 6 months before you can buy. What would adding 1 month on top of that be? 4 scripts within 4 weeks. Or 8 scripts within 4 weeks. With no complaints you gain unlimited access. Think of it as another buffer, a probationary period.[/QUOTE]
I can't think of any other sales point that implements such a weird feature. Restricting purchasing isn't a smart move really, implementing systems to manage complaints and shit better is.
It's not like the current probationary period is actually stopping anyone from leaking shit or being a dicknugget clearly.
[editline]11th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Acecool;44520041]It could be implemented differently; right now you need to have an account for 6 months before you can sign up for coderhire. Having a temporary probationary period wouldn't hurt.[/QUOTE]
Are we talking Steam accounts here? Because I don't actually give enough of a shit about CoderHire to know this myself. If so, that seems reasonable, after all, who's going to be buying scripts for a game they don't own.
However imposing restrictions on registered CoderHire users, even as probationary periods, is just bad practice. Plus it makes the place sound like a goddamn WoW guild or something equally silly.
Yeah; you need to have a Steam Account which has been aged to at least 6 months to sign up.
I understand restricting purchases may not be a good idea, but you see what people are doing. They're buying something, or lots of somethings, and a few hours later charge-back EVERYTHING causing everyone to lose $20-$25 in most cases.
This is why I said that there needs to be a tangible goods service where coder-hire themselves will send out a CD if the customer buys it. That way a tracking number would be given, etc; This would help with paypal disputes 1000 fold.
I feel like this drama was not need in the first place. Plus I've talked to phoenix for ages and I've got to agree he's the best support/Nicest person I've found coming from coderhire already ;/
I'm somewhat baffled as to the lack of administrative action by the coderhire admins. I've seen them many times act quickly to correctly weed out the shitty members from the coderhire community. However in this instance it seems to me that Phoenix is being given a free pass for some reason, and I can't understand why.
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[QUOTE=Acecool;44520559]This is why I said that there needs to be a tangible goods service where coder-hire themselves will send out a CD if the customer buys it. That way a tracking number would be given, etc; This would help with paypal disputes 1000 fold.[/QUOTE]
I can't really imagine that working.
[QUOTE=CallMePyro;44521948]I'm somewhat baffled as to the lack of administrative action by the coderhire admins. I've seen them many times act quickly to correctly weed out the shitty members from the coderhire community. However in this instance it seems to me that Phoenix is being given a free pass for some reason, and I can't understand why.[/QUOTE]
They don't ban people by other peoples word, They ban people when they see proof of that user breaking the rules of the website.
[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;44521959]They don't ban people by other peoples word, They ban people when they see proof of that user breaking the rules of the website.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not too hard to look at Frubbs post where he details all the illegitamite code that Phoenix has sold. You can just type the provided links into your browser to see the addons, or go through Frubbs job history to see what he's requested. A little fact checking only took me 5 minutes and that's with my limited access to the site's database. I'm sure that the CH admins have access to even more information that just that.
[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;44521959]They don't ban people by other peoples word, They ban people when they see proof of that user breaking the rules of the website.[/QUOTE]
Well if you need proof he used someone else's models.
He changed them only after he got banned.
PS: I don't give a shit.
[QUOTE=CallMePyro;44521948]
I can't really imagine that working.[/QUOTE]
Why not? It'd be a decent way for the team to earn some money by burning the cds which take a minute or so and are pretty cheap. On top of that, with a tracking-number the product becomes tangible / physical. And, because it's physical and because you can prove you shipped it, Paypal will side with the seller.
[QUOTE=Acecool;44522102]Why not? It'd be a decent way for the team to earn some money by burning the cds which take a minute or so and are pretty cheap. On top of that, with a tracking-number the product becomes tangible / physical. And, because it's physical and because you can prove you shipped it, Paypal will side with the seller.[/QUOTE]
This is somehow an even worse idea than your last. Impressive.
Physically sending discs of code is a waste of every bodies time. Buyers will expect their code as soon as they buy it because it has no legitimate reason to be shipped. If Steam, Amazon, Origin etc. Can get a working digital distribution where charge backs aren't a concerning problem, I expect CoderHire can find a method that's is straight up silly as well.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44522325]If Steam, Amazon, Origin etc. Can get a working digital distribution where charge backs aren't a concerning problem, I expect CoderHire can find a method that's is straight up silly as well.[/QUOTE]
Because they use DRM. How are you comparing stealing Lua scripts, which are pretty much completely open source, to stealing games that are most likely made in C++, that require authentication? Steam and Origin could empty your library if they wanted. If you chargeback, they will revoke your shit. I have no idea where you are making any connection with CH's Lua scripts to Steam's and Origin's full blown digital distribution DRM platforms.
[QUOTE=BayLife;44522416]Because they use DRM. How are you comparing stealing Lua scripts, which are pretty much completely open source, to stealing games that are most likely made in C++, that require authentication? Steam and Origin could empty your library if they wanted. I have no idea where you are making any connection with CH to Steam and Origin.[/QUOTE]
Amazon don't apply DRM to a number of their digital goods. Valve will fuck you up I expect if you're a consistent charge backer (along with revoking your licence but whatever).
I'm just pointing out its possible to have digital distribution with protections in place. I guess a slightly better example could have been the Humble Bundle guys? I expect they have something in place to at least mitigate damage from charge backs.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44522483]Amazon don't apply DRM to a number of their digital goods. Valve will fuck you up I expect if you're a consistent charge backer (along with revoking your licence but whatever).
I'm just pointing out its possible to have digital distribution with protections in place. I guess a slightly better example could have been the Humble Bundle guys? I expect they have something in place to at least mitigate damage from charge backs.[/QUOTE]
I don't know anything about Amazon, but I've yet to see a good DRM method on Facepunch, and from what I've seen on Facepunch, your thread will get shit on if you even mention adding DRM to your code. As for Humble Bundle, the less money you charge, the less chargebacks there will be. Of course there will always be cheap shits out there, but I'd imagine there are a lot less on there because you only have to pay a few dollars to get a lot of things.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44522325]This is somehow an even worse idea than your last. Impressive.
Physically sending discs of code is a waste of every bodies time. Buyers will expect their code as soon as they buy it because it has no legitimate reason to be shipped. If Steam, Amazon, Origin etc. Can get a working digital distribution where charge backs aren't a concerning problem, I expect CoderHire can find a method that's is straight up silly as well.[/QUOTE]
Just because they purchase a cd / hard-copy doesn't mean they can't download it right away.
there's always so much delicious drama in this thread
any time i look at facepunch and see this thread with > 30 new posts i get excited
[QUOTE=Acecool;44523083]Just because they purchase a cd / hard-copy doesn't mean they can't download it right away.[/QUOTE]
Acecool I'm not saying it's a bad idea [URL=http://goodstuff568.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/membership-cards.jpg]-[/URL] but wouldn't it be better to use a usb?
nobody uses cd nowadays
[QUOTE=rejax;44523165]there's always so much delicious drama in this thread
any time i look at facepunch and see this thread with > 30 new posts i get excited
Acecool I'm not saying it's a bad idea [URL=http://goodstuff568.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/membership-cards.jpg]-[/URL] but wouldn't it be better to use a usb?
nobody uses cd nowadays[/QUOTE]
CDs are cheap, everyone has an optical drive, and this is merely a suggestion to allow tangible goods to exchange hands for the sake of protecting the seller from chargebacks while making coder-hire team some cash for shipping a cd.
A USB stick could be viable, but where can you find one for sub $1 like cds?
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