When you finish something and then someone show you that this already exists.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;45584986]Arghhaa
When you're coding a script for ch and you think "Wow, I'm so close to being done!" but you just can't stop adding features on the fucking side so it never gets finished. :v:[/QUOTE]
Simple upload what you were original planning to do then add those extra features as DLC if there big enough or a bunch of them.
Or you create something actually worth the $$ and don't sit and nickle/dime everyone for every little feature. Don't make the script because of the money, make it because you want to.
So for example release it as is. Then as future updates add those new features. People will appreciate it and will be more likely to purchase your products and won't leak (or if they are, not updated)
[QUOTE=Nookyava;45587041]Or you create something actually worth the $$ and don't sit and nickle/dime everyone for every little feature. Don't make the script because of the money, make it because you want to.
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Making things to pay the rent is a perfectly valid endeavour. Not everything needs to be about the art.
Your time becomes significantly more valuable after you move out of your parents' house.
Considering the amount of bills I pay now, you assume I don't know about money? Just because you need the money doesn't mean you sit and make people pay for the extra shine on the code, it's like PLC or DLC has become, which is for every little feature you pay.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;45587041]Or you create something actually worth the $$ and don't sit and nickle/dime everyone for every little feature. Don't make the script because of the money, make it because you want to.
So for example release it as is. Then as future updates add those new features. People will appreciate it and will be more likely to purchase your products and won't leak (or if they are, not updated)[/QUOTE]
Ya but Coderhire is already filled with those type of people (Money Whores), Ya some of the people on there just do it for fun or because they want to help people or they need the money, But 99% of the times it's because they want money or else they would make it public, The one issue I've found with coderhire is finally having custom stuff for your servers and stuff and then for someone to go recreate that exact same thing and release it on coderhire which kind of pisses me off because then in a way your server is just like another coderhire server since you have scripts that do the same thing but yet the code is different a bit.
Coderhire is useful for posting jobs or perhaps getting hired for a job, I've 99% of the time kept to always doing jobs for people and hardly ever buying a script but most of the time am only buying it for certain reasons. I really think Coderhire should live up to it's name and just have it to where people can post jobs and people can apply and not have this script selling because it's honestly ruining Gmod more and more, DarkRP is ruined already and coderhire is already starting to go into alot more gamemodes.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;45587093]Considering the amount of bills I pay now, you assume I don't know about money? Just because you need the money doesn't mean you sit and make people pay for the extra shine on the code, it's like PLC or DLC has become, which is for every little feature you pay.[/QUOTE]
"I'm a senior in high school" doesn't imply a lot of financial responsibility.
If the moderators approve it and enough people buy it to make it worth the time spent writing, it's a valid endeavor.
Do I think less of developers that nickel and dime features into DLC? Yes. Do I understand that some price their scripts according to their need for income? Certainly.
[QUOTE=chimitos;45587123]"I'm a senior in high school" doesn't imply a lot of financial responsibility.[/QUOTE]
You don't know how Nookyava is going financially, what if Nookyava was kicked out of the house, or Nookyava's family isn't making enough money / single parent. Also, school fees are a bitch, especially soon, if Nookyava is wanting to go to University, and Nookyava is in the situation I just said, it's going to be tough financially.
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;45587156]You don't know how Nookyava is going financially, what if Nookyava was kicked out of the house, or Nookyava's family isn't making enough money / single parent. Also, school fees are a bitch, especially soon, if Nookyava is wanting to go to University, and Nookyava is in the situation I just said, it's going to be tough financially.[/QUOTE]
Those are extenuating circumstances. It would be unreasonable to just assume them in any case, and it's not like you know my situation either.
I'm just saying that expecting others to work for free because you hold them to some arbitrary standard is wrong.
[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;45587025]Simple upload what you were original planning to do then add those extra features as DLC if there big enough or a bunch of them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not cool with that. I've always had the mindset that unless a feature is significantly unique to warrant it's own DLC it should be added for free to increase the value of the addon and make existing customers happy.
So many people on CoderHire are disgusting with their DLCs, adding tiny features for $4 a pop. That's ridiculous. I don't mean to be all high and mighty but to make an example of someone, seeing scripts like EZInventory add rank-based inventory sizes as DLC is really terrible. That's like, 5 lines of code + an array in the config. An inventory mod should have DLC for stuff like shops, crafting, mining resources and that sort of stuff. Not something that can be done in like 10 minutes that modifies a very basic piece of functionality.
This isn't even addressing the people that constantly remake their old scripts and then act like they're the new hot shit and resell it for $20 (money printers, cough).
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
Sometimes I am baffled by leakers having this Robin Hood mentality but when I see certain people making a load of cash off of something hilariously simple (again, cough, money printers) it just makes me upset and reminds me why these people may have that mentality.
Days without drama in the coderhire thread: .̶.̶4̶ 0
Seriously, can we not derail this thread every single time? If you don't like how things are run on coderhire, don't use it. Nobody is forcing you, nor should anyone criticize you for not liking/wanting to use it.
[QUOTE=TripsLetash;45587235]Days without drama in the coderhire thread: .̶.̶4̶ 0
Seriously, can we not derail this thread every single time? If you don't like how things are run on coderhire, don't use it. Nobody is forcing you, nor should anyone criticize you for not liking/wanting to use it.[/QUOTE]
Theres not even that much drama, Also if part of your reply is back to my comment then honestly you didn't read it.
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;45587223]:words:[/QUOTE]
When your talking about people making there old scripts and remaking them and them being expensive kind of makes me think you're talking about Rocketmania who basically created a new car dealer then put it for 20$
Are you seriously arguing that it is bad to code for money? If someone wants to earn money, high school student or not let them - money is always good regardless of what's your occupation or if you live with your parents or not.
[QUOTE=arcaneex;45588037]Are you seriously arguing that it is bad to code for money? If someone wants to earn money, high school student or not let them - money is always good regardless of what's your occupation or if you live with your parents or not.[/QUOTE]
People are able to make money from various other coding languages, so why not lua?
I don't think it's the language, it's just that the cool thing about mods always was that you could just go on a website, download cool shit and make your game 100x more awesome, all for free.
But since people hosting gameservers that don't know how to code made shittons of money, coders wanted a chunk of that when they did a service for them. (It's not a great feeling when you pour your passion into something to give back to the community and then some guy that makes thousands of dollars with his servers doesn't even look for a donate button)
I personally don't like it either since it kinda makes mods lose their special flair and just seem like dlc , but you really can't blame people for it.
Maybe there's a greater solution somewhere
Well, there's always the Steam Workshop and garrysmod.org, if you want to be kind and release your stuff for free, which people still do. You can still find a ton of cool shit being released, however there's no bar on the Steam Workshop so anyone can contribute, meaning there's tons and tons of garbage as well.
I just find it a bit odd when people complain about people making money off Coderhire, because you CAN do something about it, there is nothing to stop you from personally making things and releasing them for free. Not all server owners have lots of free cash, there are LOTS of people who benefit from free-releases.
I also don't think it's fair to blame Coderhire or it's coders, either. If the average Garry's Mod user doesn't care whether a server is unique or has Coderhire stuff, server owners get traffic/donations and coders get payment, everyone is someway benefiting from a comfy system.
Instead of getting angry at coders for making money or Coderhire, get annoyed at the average gmod user, who is too lazy to try anything new and finds reading scary and will only try a new gamemode if it's played by Youtubers.
I'll let everyone in on a small secret that not many people on this website realize: Not every owner creates a server for the approval of Facepunch members.
I honestly think we should have a thread where people can request stuff and friendly coders can make it for them and upload it to the workshop so people can use it. Sort of like what AnonTakesOver does but in a huge megathread.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;45588883]Well, there's always the Steam Workshop and garrysmod.org, if you want to be kind and release your stuff for free, which people still do. You can still find a ton of cool shit being released, however there's no bar on the Steam Workshop so anyone can contribute, meaning there's tons and tons of garbage as well.
I just find it a bit odd when people complain about people making money off Coderhire, because you CAN do something about it, there is nothing to stop you from personally making things and releasing them for free. Not all server owners have lots of free cash, there are LOTS of people who benefit from free-releases.
I also don't think it's fair to blame Coderhire or it's coders, either. If the average Garry's Mod user doesn't care whether a server is unique or has Coderhire stuff, server owners get traffic/donations and coders get payment, everyone is someway benefiting from a comfy system.
Instead of getting angry at coders for making money or Coderhire, get annoyed at the average gmod user, who is too lazy to try anything new and finds reading scary and will only try a new gamemode if it's played by Youtubers.
I'll let everyone in on a small secret that not many people on this website realize: Not every owner creates a server for the approval of Facepunch members.[/QUOTE]
What I keep saying about Coderhire, is that money "speaks". There's nothing wrong with selling your work, not at all, but the "supermarket" thing is what annoys the shit out of me. They can decide to code unique content and sell it to one community, stimulating creativity and such, but no, selling it to 300 people on Coderhire is a much better idea because that brings in more money.
It's still a game, and yes, communities do make a shitload of money at times, but I still don't agree that people say "Coderhire doesn't ruin anything". The fact alone that Coderhire is a collection of paid addons makes 12 year olds with access to a creditcard able to set up their own server with "unique" content, because there is someone helping you set it up because you paid for it.
For whatever reason you say Coderhire is not to blame for "having non-unique content", then how come EVERYONE nowadays is complaining about Coderhire servers? It's because now there is a collection of addons people hosting a server purchase multiple addons because they are all on one site, they have money to spent and they can't be arsed to create their unique content. If only they would spend the time finding addons on the internet you'd at least see some variation, even if you released you things on the Workshop, but on the Workshop there possibly are more than 3 DarkRP HUDs, so you won't see every server have the same HUD and such. It kills creativity.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I perfectly understand why people are annoyed and complaining, I just sort of think it feels pointless and wish users would use the energy to try and improve the situation
If I'm getting off-topic here, I'll happily drop this :v:
[QUOTE=arcaneex;45589095]I honestly think we should have a thread where people can request stuff and friendly coders can make it for them and upload it to the workshop so people can use it. Sort of like what AnonTakesOver does but in a huge megathread.[/QUOTE]
This would be a fantastic idea! I know lots of users here are looking for practice but lack ideas on what to make
[QUOTE=arcaneex;45589095]I honestly think we should have a thread where people can request stuff and friendly coders can make it for them and upload it to the workshop so people can use it. Sort of like what AnonTakesOver does but in a huge megathread.[/QUOTE]
I've done some of that in my free time :)
[url]http://coderhire.com/scripts/view/195[/url]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=290945941[/url]
[url]http://coderhire.com/scripts/view/1099[/url]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=290961117[/url]
Slightly modified because I didnt like how the original guys did it
I would start a thread but I don't think many people will want to help out, I know I will but one guy is not enough.
[QUOTE=arcaneex;45589682]I would start a thread but I don't think many people will want to help out, I know I will but one guy is not enough.[/QUOTE]
I'll gladly help out.
[QUOTE=chimitos;45587123]"I'm a senior in high school" doesn't imply a lot of financial responsibility.[/QUOTE]
Just putting it out there, I haven't updated my portfolio in awhile. I am not "A senior in High School" at this current time
I'm paying for College, Car, Insurance, food, etc. So please don't sit and try to think you know what I have to do.
I'm not saying it's bad for people to code for money, but I grow tired when I see someone releasing DLC for a script consistently in the hopes of people buying that as well so they can have the extra features. It's just an opinion.
As to Arcane, I'll help out as well.
What if I set something up on CH that is exactly like the paid stuff but just for free stuff. No approvals or subscriptions, but only 'known' users like the ones discussing this here will be allowed to upload. That way the free scripts will get the popularity of CH along with the features like support tickets, statistics tracking and versioning.
[QUOTE=adamdburton;45590554]What if I set something up on CH that is exactly like the paid stuff but just for free stuff. No approvals or subscriptions, but only 'known' users like the ones discussing this here will be allowed to upload. That way the free scripts will get the popularity of CH along with the features like support tickets, statistics tracking and versioning.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good imo.
[QUOTE=adamdburton;45590554]What if I set something up on CH that is exactly like the paid stuff but just for free stuff. No approvals or subscriptions, but only 'known' users like the ones discussing this here will be allowed to upload. That way the free scripts will get the popularity of CH along with the features like support tickets, statistics tracking and versioning.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you would recognize "known" users, but I think some sort of addon approval would be a good idea depending on how you approve users. You have something similar setup for coderhire right? I don't know if you pay those guys, but I'm sure you'll get support buy other developers that may do it for free. I know I wouldn't mind some free work once in a while.
[QUOTE=adamdburton;45590554]What if I set something up on CH that is exactly like the paid stuff but just for free stuff. No approvals or subscriptions, but only 'known' users like the ones discussing this here will be allowed to upload. That way the free scripts will get the popularity of CH along with the features like support tickets, statistics tracking and versioning.[/QUOTE]
This is a great idea!
How about a tab called "Free Scripts/Requests" that links to the Facepunch Thread, then they can easily request in a post and it can be handled via the Github Team that is being planned. Mainly because I know people would like to contribute and CoderHire adds a barrier to being able to do so.
[QUOTE=Jarva;45590736]How about a tab called "Free Scripts/Requests" that links to the Facepunch Thread, then they can easily request in a post and it can be handled via the Github Team that is being planned.[/QUOTE]
Though a dedicated site for it could be necessary. For example vote functions would be a great thing to have, which you can't have in a FP thread. That way, the "most" requested things will be prioritized instead of some of us working on a thing the requester might use but no one else?
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