[QUOTE=Casper-CG;42780149] then you might wanna go back to pre-school and learn to read.[/QUOTE]
tbh i think we should perm ban you from coderhire instead
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;42780929]tbh i think we should perm ban you from coderhire instead[/QUOTE]
Well I try to do something to help the community and all you guys do is complain...
And ya that makes sense to ban the loyal customer and community member of CH. way to over-react.
No one gets so defensive over 11 lines of code which is not even his.
You expect us to believe you when you fail to provide full proof and instead of doing that you start calling out names
Great, some guy just refunded my script because he got banned.
I hope the paypal will not refund him, otherwise he'll be left with our scripts and since he got banned for 'attempting to sell other peoples scripts'.. you can tell yourself the rest.
[QUOTE=Casper-CG;42781249]the loyal customer and community member of CH.[/QUOTE]
If you're so loyal, you'd post the original I'm image to help prove your innocent. Loyal people wouldn't hide pertential evidence. Oh, and loyal people wouldn't be banned or getting mixed up in a banning situation ^_^
@Casper I think he contacted you because he somehow found out that someone made some script transaction with you. I don't think someone will just contact a loyal customer to give free/trade free script.
I tried to get everyone who is selling/trading scripts banned and I found like 3-4 person and none of them contacted me.
[QUOTE=EvacX;42779759]
is the only one of my customers affiliated with Fluffy Pancakes, and thus I think [b]it's fair[/b] to conclude that he is the one sharing my addon.
[/QUOTE]
No it isn't. It could have been someone who has been removed from Fluffy's friend list. It could've been someone who hasn't been on fluffy's friends list in the first place. Sure, it's [i]likely[/i] to be Dingus, but the chance that you're wrong is far too big. A ban should [b]not[/b] be based on the link between Fluffy and Dingus. That would be terrible.
[QUOTE=FPtje;42786794]No it isn't. It could have been someone who has been removed from Fluffy's friend list. It could've been someone who hasn't been on fluffy's friends list in the first place. Sure, it's [i]likely[/i] to be Dingus, but the chance that you're wrong is far too big. A ban should [b]not[/b] be based on the link between Fluffy and Dingus. That would be terrible.[/QUOTE]
Do you always just argue for the point of arguing? It's obvious that it's Dingus and you know it, I even asked him and he verified it.
[editline]7th November 2013[/editline]
Regardless I've stopped caring too much about this episode in particular.
I just think there should be a rule regarding "buying for others" and possibly an option for "gifting" addons to others which would eliminate all doubt in situations like this.
[QUOTE=EvacX;42786821]Do you always just argue for the point of arguing? It's obvious that it's Dingus and you know it.[/quote]
Absolute nonsense! It's not strong evidence, and the chance that you were wrong using only that evidence is immense. I do not [b]know[/b] it's [i]obviously[/i] dingus. The exact thing I'm pointing out is that is [i]isn't[/i] obvious. If coderhire people accept this shit as evidence, framing people to get banned will get pretty easy.
It's like saying the person who spawned the prop is "obviously" the prop killer. That turned out to be a disaster. The case is exactly the same even: there's a link, but no conclusive proof. Assuming the link as true will get innocent people banned.
I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm arguing that there's a good chance that you're blaming an innocent person.
[QUOTE=EvacX;42786821]I even asked him and he verified it.[/QUOTE]
That would chance the case. Proof of him verifying it would be [b]much[/b] stronger evidence than what you had above.
[QUOTE=EvacX;42779759]-stuff-[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's fair to assume because someone is on the friends list of someone's means they're affiliated with them. I definitely don't think that's a good enough reason to presume they shared scripts either.
[QUOTE=FPtje;42786901]Absolute nonsense! It's not strong evidence, and the chance that you were wrong using only that evidence is immense. I do not [b]know[/b] it's [i]obviously[/i] dingus. The exact thing I'm pointing out is that is [i]isn't[/i] obvious. If coderhire people accept this shit as evidence, framing people to get banned will get pretty easy.
It's like saying the person who spawned the prop is "obviously" the prop killer. That turned out to be a disaster. The case is exactly the same even: there's a link, but no conclusive proof. Assuming the link as true will get innocent people banned.
I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm arguing that there's a good chance that you're blaming an innocent person.
That would chance the case. Proof of him verifying it would be [b]much[/b] stronger evidence than what you had above.[/QUOTE]
Then what is proof? I could've easily faked those 2 images and people yet people would seem to believe what I've said is true regardless. We might as well just abolish 99% of all misuse cases as they can't provide any concrete evidence of said misuse. Proof is quite closely linked to (un)certainty as you can never have absolute knowledge of anything and thus justice tends to side with the [I]most[/I] certain evidence.
Maybe it is excessive drawing a conclusion from just a single link like that, but then I'm not sure where exactly we should draw the line.
[editline]7th November 2013[/editline]
My apologies for accusing you of "arguing for the sake of arguing", you've raised a fair point and I didn't think it through.
[QUOTE=EvacX;42787270]Then what is proof? I could've easily faked those 2 images and people yet people would seem to believe what I've said is true regardless. We might as well just abolish 99% of all misuse cases as they can't provide any concrete evidence of said misuse. Proof is quite closely linked to (un)certainty as you can never have absolute knowledge of anything and thus justice tends to side with the [I]most[/I] certain evidence.
Maybe it is excessive drawing a conclusion from just a single link like that, but then I'm not sure where exactly we should draw the line.
[editline]7th November 2013[/editline]
My apologies for accusing you of "arguing for the sake of arguing", you've raised a fair point and I didn't think it through.[/QUOTE]
"Beyond reasonable doubt" is the standard in evidence. The doubt in your evidence was not even close to reasonable.
I agree that images could be faked. Finding really solid evidence for these things is really hard. That does not imply that you can just go "fuck it" set the bar for valid evidence very low.
[QUOTE=KnoxvilleLAD;42785135]If you're so loyal, you'd post the original I'm image to help prove your innocent. Loyal people wouldn't hide pertential evidence. Oh, and loyal people wouldn't be banned or getting mixed up in a banning situation ^_^[/QUOTE]
I already said I can't get the original message. next time I just wont make a post here about it. Instead Ill do nothing.
[url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1322827&p=42795926]this drongo[/url] just posts a part of my script, pretty much sharing it with everybody and hasnt even asked me for help.
can anything be done
[QUOTE=Aj;42796045][url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1322827&p=42795926]this drongo[/url] just posts a part of my script, pretty much sharing it with everybody and hasnt even asked me for help.
can anything be done[/QUOTE]
Banned him for a while so he gets the message.
Are you seriously upset because he posted a code with a single http.Post and a giant switch case?
I'm curious, how do you guys deal with pirates?
I've had 3 so far requesting technical support, 2 of who claimed a friend gifted my addon to them and the remaining who denied everything (despite not being able to prove his purchase).
I suppose it's really not worth wasting time on them, and it's stupid to try fight piracy altogether when you can't provide evidence of beyond reasonable doubt anyway.
If they have a profile on the site we ban them. Anyone who can't prove they purchased, that is.
And how would I prove they have obtained my addon?
Screenshot of them asking for help with it and not being able to provide proof they purchased.
And similarly, how would I prove somebody who has purchased the script has been sharing it?
[editline]8th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=_Undefined;42797309]Screenshot of them asking for help with it and not being able to provide proof they purchased.[/QUOTE]
Then I believe the image I provided on the previous page should suffice, should it not?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/1Hdxkzt.jpg[/t]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/1Hdxkzt.jpg]This is his profile on Coderhire.[/url]
Okay I dunno where the guy got my script from and it's really hard to get anything from him, but seems like he and his server owner both have the script without paying for it
The guy that added me: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198025216787[/url]
The server owner: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/kianb[/url]
The screenshot link on my screenshot (inception lol): [url]http://puu.sh/5cegz.jpg[/url]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4764969/theguylol.PNG[/img]
The server owners only friend that has purchased my script (and was on my list aswell) was this guy: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197985264163[/url]
Dunno if he gave it to them or just a coincidence
So yeah admins, do your magic... investigation.. whatever
[QUOTE=Netheous;42798542]Okay I dunno where the guy got my script from and it's really hard to get anything from him, but seems like he and his server owner both have the script without paying for it
The guy that added me: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198025216787[/url]
The server owner: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/kianb[/url]
The screenshot link on my screenshot (inception lol): [url]http://puu.sh/5cegz.jpg[/url]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4764969/theguylol.PNG[/img]
The server owners only friend that has purchased my script (and was on my list aswell) was this guy: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197985264163[/url]
Dunno if he gave it to them or just a coincidence
So yeah admins, do your magic... investigation.. whatever[/QUOTE]
I've known these guys. Fudgehug and Kian are friends (close) friends, they used to have a server together. Roach was a staff member on there when I played there.
[QUOTE=ms333;42798818]I've known these guys. Fudgehug and Kian are friends (close) friends, they used to have a server together. Roach was a staff member on there when I played there.[/QUOTE]
I see, but I still couldn't talk to the Kian guy, he didn't accept my invitation and Roach told me he is very busy now so I decided to post it instead so admins can deal with it instead.
Do we really have to have all the drama in this thread? Just PM a member of staff.
[QUOTE=_Undefined;42799557]Do we really have to have all the drama in this thread? Just PM a member of staff.[/QUOTE]
Well, I didn't mean to cause any drama.
Also, if you take all the drama from this thread, we'll be left with people just telling others what they bought from the earnings.
[QUOTE=Netheous;42799587]Well, I didn't mean to cause any drama.
Also, if you take all the drama from this thread, we'll be left with people just telling others what they bought from the earnings.[/QUOTE]
Like my sex toys.
[QUOTE=James0roll;42800863]Like my sex toys.[/QUOTE]
i was disappointed
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;42801608]i was disappointed[/QUOTE]
I wasn't... he let's me borrow them....
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[url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1277018]or this one[/url]
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