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[Redfiend]

[QUOTE=zeaga;50917967]I'm against the redirects and from the US. We didn't all decide as a group to defend the redirect servers. Get your head out of your ass.[/QUOTE]

Your comment about my head only supports my opinion that we need a NA exclusive release.

While we are at it, lets get a NA exclusive Facepunch.org. We can call it facepunch.usa and you can post anything without being banned because freedom

But no mexicans or muslims allowed.

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Take a break." - Bradyns))[/highlight]

[FPtje]

He had a point, but then the new page started and the decision was made to drop all valid points and start trolling. Last page only had Kevlon hurting the credibility of one side of the argument, now we have redfiend undermining his own side. A crying shame because he had some good points.

I wonder what kind of frustration drove him to shitpost.

[looter]

[QUOTE=Redfiend;50916912]Looking at all the north americans that keep hating on the server browser and claiming redirect servers are perfectly acceptable, why don't we just make a North America exclusive release of GMod for you guys only? Separate the good apples from the rotten ones I say.

Edit: Wow, must've touched a nerve. I didn't realize the american constitution included an amendment that states "Thou cannot possess a sense of humor."[/QUOTE]

You should learn to judge individuals, not groups.

Server fraud (false player counts, false ping, redirecting) and the terrible server browser setup we have currently are contributing to a lot of the problems with the garrysmod community. There are some [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1528960&page=4]people[/url] working on the issue right now, trying to get attention from the current developers if you wish to support them and give feedback.

[andreblue]

Why not go the CSGO Route and make it so they need those game server accounts? That way they can simply ban an account from using servers, thus not blocking out ips that can be used by someone else.

[Jvs]

[QUOTE=andreblue;50919700]Why not go the CSGO Route and make it so they need those game server accounts? That way they can simply ban an account from using servers, thus not blocking out ips that can be used by someone else.[/QUOTE]

CSGO has a lot of matchmaking servers compared to their community servers.

In Gmod we have 100% community servers, and pretty much asking every single server owner to have a steam account with a connected phone number to create a game server token/identity is pretty far fetched.

All of this for what, to remove a few bad apples?

[c👌de_g🎷]

[QUOTE=andreblue;50919700]Why not go the CSGO Route and make it so they need those game server accounts? That way they can simply ban an account from using servers, thus not blocking out ips that can be used by someone else.[/QUOTE]

So then someone could just change the account. It's not a hard system to get around, especially when GMod can't utilise the phone number verification

[andreblue]

[QUOTE=code_gs;50919735]So then someone could just change the account. It's not a hard system to get around, especially when GMod can't utilise the phone number verification[/QUOTE]

Phone Verification is done by steam, not gmod. Once a phone has been used on one acc, it can not be used on another.

[G😹nz😻]

Phone verification was a good idea until Jvs say something that's really true, do we need all this shit just for some bad apples?
I'm sure that even blacklisting them, they'll just keep cheating...The worst part it's that you know who is doing this and that you can't do nothing against this, because they'll keep doing it with different accounts, ip, and name...

This fucking sucks...

[Rubat]

[QUOTE=gonzalolog;50921064]Phone verification was a good idea until Jvs say something that's really true, do we need all this shit just for some bad apples?
I'm sure that even blacklisting them, they'll just keep cheating...The worst part it's that you know who is doing this and that you can't do nothing against this, because they'll keep doing it with different accounts, ip, and name...

This fucking sucks...[/QUOTE]

Deleting multiplayer from GMod is the obvious answer.

[Kevlon]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50918030]I wonder what kind of frustration drove him to shitpost.[/QUOTE]

Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: shig u understand what ping is right
Shigbeard - Yesterday at 6:24 PM
I'm saying 250-300
Shigbeard - Yesterday at 6:24 PM
And yes meep i understand what ping is
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: let's see hereeeee
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: whats the average tickrate for darkrp velkon
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: ok how about superiorservers
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: wasn't it like 11 or 16 or something
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: penguin what's ur tickrate
aStonedPenguin: 16
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: meaning 125 ms to server
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: .125/(1/16)
$: 2.0
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: oh look at that
Meepen as the Tracer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ: so shigbeard what you are saying is you can't deal with having 2 ticks behind whille playing darkrp

[aStonedPenguin]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50918030]I wonder what kind of frustration drove him to shitpost.[/QUOTE]

[t]https://fi1.es/sUQ[/t]

[t]https://fi1.es/GXf[/t]

[Redfiend]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50918030]He had a point, but then the new page started and the decision was made to drop all valid points and start trolling. Last page only had Kevlon hurting the credibility of one side of the argument, now we have redfiend undermining his own side. A crying shame because he had some good points.

I wonder what kind of frustration drove him to shitpost.[/QUOTE]

The frustration with Velkon and Meepen in the GLUA discord claiming "300 ping makes no difference".

I kinda snapped and wanted to reach through my monitor and strangle them.

[shadowscion]

ping doesn't really make a difference for rp...

but it's irrelevant because manipulating the server browser like that is douchy as hell

[Redfiend]

[QUOTE=unrezt;50921986]ping doesn't really make a difference for rp...

but it's irrelevant because manipulating the server browser like that is douchy as hell[/QUOTE]

It doesnt make a difference for serious text-based RP. It does when you have two guys shooting at each other.

If ping didnt matter somewhere we wouldn't measure ping at;

- The server browser
- The scoreboard
- In the engine itself

The higher your ping, the more delay there is between you starting an action and the server processing that action.

At 50 ping it may as well be instantaneous.
At 100 ping you are only just beginning to see the signs of lag (Pick something up with your grav gun and start sprinting).
At 150, you are only just starting to get a disadvantage using melee based weapons (arrest baton, knives, etc).
250, you are starting to get a disadvantage with semi-auto weapons such as pistols and snipers.
350, auto weapons are becoming less effective. It only gets worse from there.

Instead of taking my word for it, go take a look at [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1fpgoa/do_players_with_higher_ping_have_an_advantage/cacrfkh]what someone posted for CS:GO. Different game, same concept.[/url]

[Zelpa]

You may actually be retarded if you think 200+ ping is playable. Just because you guys have to put up with it doesn't mean I have to. I don't even play on servers with 100+ most of the time, let alone 300.

[The Commander]

All he has to do is at least tag the servers as US and REDIRECT etc. (or just get rid of them altogether)
But he won't do that because in his mind he strongly believes there is nothing morally wrong with what he is doing or the fact he hasn't played on 300+ ping servers.

If he thinks this is not a problem how about releasing the software you are using to make these false servers, yeah didn't think so.

[FPtje]

[QUOTE=Redfiend;50921957]The frustration with Velkon and Meepen in the GLUA discord claiming "300 ping makes no difference".

I kinda snapped and wanted to reach through my monitor and strangle them.[/QUOTE]

Never go full emotional in a serious discussion, online or offline. It destroys any credibility you had in this and even future discussions. Kevlon and stoned were able to use your outbursts to make fun of you, by merely posting screenshots and saying "haha".

Either way, the claim that DarkRP is perfectly playable with 200+ms ping is absolute insanity. The only thing true about that is that you can still walk around, buy items and press E on things. Pings that high get very annoying with everything becoming jittery. From picking up props with a physgun to walking near moving objects to talking to someone while they're moving to anything involving shooting.

DarkRP is a sandbox gamemode and has situations where people shoot other people. You wouldn't play CSS or TF2 with 200+ms of ping, so you sure as fuck would get annoyed when some asshole deceives you with a local low ping redirect server that sends you to a server hosted on the goddamn moon.

Also, this thread seems relevant. Did they really get blacklisted or is this really nothing more than a shitpost?
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1531523[/url]

[Kevlon]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50922841]
Also, this thread seems relevant. Did they really get blacklisted or is this really nothing more than a shitpost?
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1531523[/url][/QUOTE]

Rubat blacklisted the redirect servers, not the actual ones

[The Commander]

[QUOTE=Kevlon;50922941]Rubat blacklisted the redirect servers, not the actual ones[/QUOTE]
Seems not all of them are.
[t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/266097180316639408/9E447EB99FC57C199DB33A76020044D2423E5F1B/[/t]

[aStonedPenguin]

[QUOTE=The Commander;50922294]All he has to do is at least tag the servers as US and REDIRECT etc.[/QUOTE]

I did 4 hours or so before this post when debating the morality of it with Author in glua chat.

The fact is there is an issue with the server listings, I'm [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=50060739#post50060739"]not the first [/URL]to fix it for myself, I'm not the only one [URL="http://www.gametracker.com/search/garrysmod/?query=NoXiousNet.com"]who actively does it[/URL] and whether or not you agree there's an issue or with the morality of the solution someones going to continue doing it until the server listing is fixed.

[FPtje]

[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;50923050]I did 4 hours or so before this post when debating the morality of it with Author in glua chat.

The fact is there is an issue with the server listings, I'm [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=50060739#post50060739"]not the first [/URL]to fix it for myself, I'm not the only one [URL="http://www.gametracker.com/search/garrysmod/?query=NoXiousNet.com"]who actively does it[/URL] and whether or not you agree there's an issue or with the morality of the solution someones going to continue doing it until the server listing is fixed.[/QUOTE]

You don't need it. You'll have plenty of players without it. They'll just all be from the same region.

I could imagine gamemodes like GMTower doing this kind of stuff, where there are one or two servers capable of hosting huge amounts of players. Redirect servers would allow people from all over the world to play on those specific servers. With DarkRP that doesn't really apply.

[Micros]

[QUOTE=FPtje;50923077]You don't need it. You'll have plenty of players without it. They'll just all be from the same region.[/QUOTE]

That's a totally subjective argument, what defines enough?

[FPtje]

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;50923094]That's a totally subjective argument, what defines enough?[/QUOTE]

If I'm not mistaken we're talking about the one most popular DarkRP server in Garry's mod. Any definition of "enough" will do. Either that or there exists no DarkRP server with enough players.

[Zelpa]

[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;50923050]I'm [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=50060739#post50060739"]not the first [/URL]to fix it for myself, I'm not the only one [URL="http://www.gametracker.com/search/garrysmod/?query=NoXiousNet.com"]who actively does it[/URL] and whether or not you agree there's an issue or with the morality of the solution someones going to continue doing it until the server listing is fixed.[/QUOTE]

"other people do bad things so i can too"

you are the problem.

[editline]e[/editline]

you're not some messiah for 'bringing this issue to light' or whatever it is you think you're doing, most people abide by a thing called the honour system, just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD do it. Have some common fucking sense. It's not like your server with 100+ players at all tims needs more advertisement, especially considering you try your hardest to bring it up in every fucking facepunch thread talking about something even BARELY relevant.

[Redfiend]

[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;50923050]I did 4 hours or so before this post when debating the morality of it with Author in glua chat.

The fact is there is an issue with the server listings, I'm [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=50060739#post50060739"]not the first [/URL]to fix it for myself, I'm not the only one [URL="http://www.gametracker.com/search/garrysmod/?query=NoXiousNet.com"]who actively does it[/URL] and whether or not you agree there's an issue or with the morality of the solution someones going to continue doing it until the server listing is fixed.[/QUOTE]

You arent fixing anything by having redirect servers, you are making another problem and you refuse to see it. The server listings are fucked, yes, but thats not something you fix with redirect servers placed around the world.

Also, [url=https://i.sli.mg/Of19Ou.png]way to do the bare fucking minimum[/url] asked of you.

[find me]

Two pages of nit picking.

How about we get the server browser fixed globally and officially before we care about the individual abuse. Fuck all countries, how do we go from good old server browser to this over UIed shit one.

Choosing a server category and pressing back, just to have the server browser scroll bar reset to top. Seriously.

[Kevlon]

[QUOTE=Redfiend;50923130]
Also, [url=https://i.sli.mg/Of19Ou.png]way to do the bare fucking minimum[/url] asked of you.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you realise that it only needs to be okay with rubat's standards, not yours

And onto the real issue, Other people are redirecting servers and you can still fake players.

[Redfiend]

[QUOTE=Kevlon;50923173]I don't think you realise that it only needs to be okay with rubat's standards, not yours

And onto the real issue, Other people are redirecting servers and you can still fake players.[/QUOTE]

So its now an issue? Just yesterday it wasn't an issue to you. Didn't know you were an acrobat.

[ARitz Cracker]

[QUOTE=WinterPhoenix;50893496]So, since it's apparent that Awesomium isn't going to be replaced anytime soon, if ever, I join with Sam from pixelTail Games in support of [URL="https://github.com/Facepunch/garrysmod-requests/issues/791"]Adding an Alternative VGUI Browser Panel that uses the ISteamHTMLSurface API[/URL].

What we are suggesting is [B]not[/B] that this VGUI Panel replace Awesomium, especially since Garry seems very against that idea, but [B]an alternative, implemented separately to Awesomium[/B], that GMod developers could work with. It would be completely optional.

[U]ISteamHTMLSurface has a number of benefits:[/U]
[B]*[/B] Based on Chromium Embedded Framework
[B]*[/B] Included with the Steam Client on all platforms and is kept updated through Steam's Client Updater (no need to import dependencies and keep them up to date)
[B]*[/B] Includes support for H.264 (MP4), MP3, and even DRM support without the need for licensing
[B]*[/B] Would [URL="https://github.com/WinterPhoenix96/winterphoenix96.github.com/commit/921c9805f52ee45824d6d2cac51da80c46f55eec"]alleviate[/URL] [URL="https://github.com/Facepunch/garrysmod-issues/issues/2089"]the[/URL] [URL="https://github.com/pixeltailgames/cinema/issues/125"]many[/URL] [URL="https://github.com/pixeltailgames/cinema/issues/99"]issues[/URL] [URL="https://github.com/pixeltailgames/gm-mediaplayer/issues/5"]that[/URL] Cinema, Media Player, and other web-based code in GMod are currently plagued with, especially with a dying Adobe Flash Player
[B]*[/B] No need to convert all currently existing code/menus/panels as it would be a separate VGUI Panel
[B]*[/B] Already existing [URL="https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/blob/master/mp/src/vgui2/vgui_controls/HTML.cpp"]ISteamHTMLSurface VGUI Code[/URL] is present in Source SDK 2013 that could possibly be used as a starting point for an implementation in GMod

Now, I know many of you are kind of burned out on the issue of Awesomium after [URL="https://github.com/Facepunch/garrysmod-requests/issues/531#issuecomment-227859159"]Garry denied the original replacement idea[/URL], but it still remains a large issue for developers that currently have no alternatives, and it's only going to get worse unless something, whether it be replacing Awesomium straight out or implementing an Alternative for it.

Just a few days ago, I had to quite literally [URL="https://github.com/WinterPhoenix96/winterphoenix96.github.com/commit/921c9805f52ee45824d6d2cac51da80c46f55eec"]CSS hack the YouTube Flash Player back into position[/URL] after an Adobe Flash Player update broke it. A video player that has been [URL="https://developers.google.com/youtube/js_api_reference"]deprecated since January 2015[/URL].

Furthermore, that video player (and most of the other video players in Cinema) rely on Adobe Flash Player, which is in such a dire state that it will [URL="http://neurogadget.net/2016/08/15/adobe-flash-player-will-stop-working-next-chrome-updates/37457"]stop being supported[/URL] in Google Chrome starting December 2016.

Time is, quite frankly, running out to implement a solution for the Awesomium issue, and the issue won't be going anyway anytime soon. You may say to yourself "it's only web stuff in GMod" or "who cares," but the fact is that at the time of writing, [URL="https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=118824086"]Cinema[/URL] and [URL="https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=546392647"]Media Player[/URL] (the two biggest addons that utilize web content heavily) have a combined Subscriber Count of [B]1.54 Million Players[/B]. That is approximately [B]12.92% of all the players that own GMod[/B] according to [URL="https://steamspy.com/app/4000"]SteamSpy[/URL]. Not even just those that play it, but those who own it.

It is by no means, a small issue, and there are communities consisting tens of thousands of players that have formed around these addons. I myself am the owner of one such community of 3 years, and in my eyes, that community has been looking at death in the face for the last year. Any update along the line has the potential to completely and totally break GMod's capacity for playing videos. I don't like the idea of my, and others', hard work going to waste because of something that is completely in control of GMod's Devs/Garry.

So, GMod Devs (and potentially Garry), [I]please at least consider this[/I]. I would love you forever if you did.[/QUOTE]

I know why it's been quiet after this post. We were all waiting for [I]some[/I] kind of a response to this. (Since it obviously has lots of approval) Let's all be quiet and... just do that again.

[editline]21st August 2016[/editline]

There's also already a thread talking about servers and server browser

[Kevlon]

[QUOTE=Redfiend;50923195]So its now an issue? Just yesterday it wasn't an issue to you. Didn't know you were an acrobat.[/QUOTE]

I never said it wasn't, You just triggered me with your retarded ping rant