Next Update v6.0 - October 2016 - Developers

[QUOTE=Exho;51404056]I used this for the longest time: [url]https://github.com/C0nw0nk/Garrys-Mod-Family-Sharing/blob/master/garrysmod/lua/autorun/familysharing.lua[/url] Edit: totally didnt read your whole post[/QUOTE] idk how family sharing with 'lua only' would work anyways, would still need to use the steam api.

[QUOTE=Kevlon;51404137]idk how family sharing with 'lua only' would work anyways, would still need to use the steam api.[/QUOTE] You could store the steamid64 somewhere in data, ez to bypass tho. Edit : wait no

[QUOTE=Noi;51184938] [code]{ "Addresses": [ "37.59.108.5", "46.105.48.208", "31.186.250.170", "104.238.172.120", "104.238.173.190", "104.238.159.34", "104.238.174.157", "104.238.170.72", "108.61.172.31", "45.63.100.181", "45.63.99.225", "45.63.99.198", "45.63.98.115", "45.63.100.229", "45.63.100.55", "45.63.101.4", "45.63.101.95", "178.62.79.24", "138.68.153.146", "138.68.75.1", "91.121.168.78", "164.132.230.133", "103.42.225.229", "51.254.209.54", "45.63.98.243" ], "Hostnames": [ "This is your last warning", "★.+SuperiorServers.co", "★.+Superior.+Servers.co", "★.+Superior.+Servers", "★.+SuperiorServers" ], "Descripts": [ "This is your last warning", "★.+SuperiorServers.co", "★.+Superior.+Servers.co", "★.+Superior.+Servers", "★.+SuperiorServers" ], "Gamemodes": [ ] }[/code] [/QUOTE] We tried to PM RobotBoy about this but had no reply so we have been left to post about it here, Compiled mostly by Shigbeard. It seems like Superior Servers is back at it again with redirect servers, even after being told to cut it out. In the past he had (at the very least) decided to add [US - REDIRECT] or other sorts of labels on his redirect servers, but he has since removed those, going back to being entirely misleading. The following evidence was compiled by Shigbeard, who is currently banned from Facepunch. UK logs were gathered by a friend of his. AU Redirect, recorded by Shigbeard: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9hsn14qsM[/media] UK Redirect, recorded by Shigbeard's friend: (Note how gm_construct is visible for a brief second) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh3EaMrefQE[/media] Console Log for AU Redirect: [url]http://pastebin.com/FWsyzkjD[/url] Console Log for UK Redirect: [url]http://pastebin.com/ZF18hpZG[/url] (note how there's a loading screen here and not for the AU server) Geo-IP for all ip addresses involved: Real server: [t]http://img.ndlee.com/shigbeard/k4uikyo.png[/t] AU Redirect: [t]http://img.ndlee.com/shigbeard/l53j0ye.png[/t] UK Redirect: [t]http://img.ndlee.com/shigbeard/jk1v23l.png[/t] Chatlogs in Discord (when questioned by Shigbeard): Text version available at [url]http://pastebin.com/28ekm05E[/url] [t]http://img.ndlee.com/shigbeard/c52g3i4.png[/t] [t]http://img.ndlee.com/shigbeard/gc0vcdf.png[/t] [t]http://img.ndlee.com/shigbeard/ddj5iw2.png[/t] As you can see, there is clear evidence that StonedPenguin is using redirect servers still. Most of this evidence was submitted to Robotboy via PM, however there was no response out of him. It appears Robotboy is ignoring this again, which is very disappointing given he had warned StonedPenguin about this before. As such, we've had no choice but to go public with this, in an attempt to force a response out of Robotboy. This post ISN'T a call for drama, and it isn't a call for a cut-throat debates on the justifications for mirror/redirect servers. This is simply a reminder that this is still happening, despite him being told to stop, and he is still using the excuse of valve's geo-ip filtering being broken. In Shigbeard's opinion (because he formatted this for me, I'm on mobile atm), it's not actually broken, but in actual fact filtering servers deemed unfit to play on from Valve's perspective. Consider the latency implications of playing on a high ping server, you have all sorts of delays between what you do and what the server thinks you've done. To a person with fibre-optic connections permitting high bandwidth and high speeds, this disadvantage isn't obvious, but to a person sitting in Australia or New Zealand still using copper-only or telephone cable connections, the disadvantage is more tangible than the hate both of us are going to receive for this post. The problem isn't the fact that he is hosting servers in the UK or in Australia, it's the fact he is redirecting these players to his server in Quebec without any announcement. In the Australian server he is even attempting to hide this fact slightly more than the UK server. In the past this has been somewhat excusable because he had labeled his server appropriately, but once again they are unlabled redirects to the United States. For myself to personally not care anymore, he needs to do 1 of 3 things. 1: Remove his redirect servers entirely, and rely on the existing playerbase he has which is already huge. 2: Label his servers appropriately. Indicate that they are hosted in North America, and indicate the server redirects there. 3: Replace his redirect servers with actual servers. He has the playerbase for it, I'm sure he can find about a dozen staff to run the servers and easily get the funding for it too. Ball is in your court Penguin. Also robotboy, it would have taken 5 minutes to craft an acknowledgement, not 48 hours. Enjoy. -- Written by Shigbeard.

[QUOTE]excuse of valve's geo-ip filtering being broken.[/QUOTE] do whatever with said redirects but it's really, really not a bad excuse at all.

There was an agreement about tagging the servers. That agreement was broken. Sounds like a simple case. Also sounds like the discussion about whether redirect servers are a good thing is irrelevant. The important question is how to deal with the fact that the agreement was broken.

[quote]aStonedPenguin - Today at 9:54 AM It's broken on valves end You can geolocate a server in the US, host it in sydney and it shows in the US it's so dumb[/quote] Why not geolocate a redirect server in Australia and host it right next to the real server? That way it shows up in Australia but has true ping and everything. Am I missing something?

Considering the lack of staff and actual good staff they have now, I can bet you 100% they don't have enough to staff an EU server. It wouldn't matter also if he decided to change the redirects to display that they're "US" people will still just find a reason to bitch and throw the good old "Oh but they're still redirects" If I am not mistaken you guys did exactly that even when he compiled and properly displayed them as US. Even tho I dislike many things and or how sup handles some situations I'm not going to act like a biased child and say fuck him for redirects, Redirect servers should be perfectly legal to use until valve decides to fix the problem or robot finds an alternative fix for the problem. If everyone stopped bitching that he used redirects then I think penguin would be happy to put it back to properly displaying it's country.

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;51406060]will still just find a reason to bitch and throw the good old "Oh but they're still redirects"[/QUOTE] There was very little bitching after the agreement about the tagging was implemented. Now that the tags are gone, the bitching is back. [QUOTE=BigBadWilly;51406060]If I am not mistaken you guys did exactly that even when he compiled and properly displayed them as US. [/QUOTE] You are mistaken. Please see the previous pages of this thread and the lack of bitching.

What a joke, I don't know if it's obvious enough but us Australians don't want to see American servers (Let alone American servers at all) with Australian pings. The only reason why everyone settled with the US tags was because we know shit all will be done otherwise.

I for one as an Australian server owner Dislike this server redirect Abuse.

tl;dr it annoys both server owners and players Please stop

interestingly enough if you block ply:ConCommand() in c++ you can actually join their redirect servers and run around in gm_construct without being shunted to the main server all they do is run the "connect" command on you, could probably be blocked by aliasing it or something

I'm pretty sure StonedPenguin would have no problem shutting down the redirect servers if his servers just displayed in other regions. It's not done for ping or player faking but purely for visibility.

Repeating for visibility (last post of previous page): [quote]aStonedPenguin - Today at 9:54 AM It's broken on valves end You can geolocate a server in the US, host it in sydney and it shows in the US it's so dumb[/quote] Why not geolocate a redirect server in Australia and host it right next to the real server? That way it shows up in Australia but has true ping and everything.

I miss the thing of going to the server browser and seeing all the new gamemodes that are on the list. I'm probably missing out on a lot of stuff because american and such regions don't show up anymore.

[QUOTE=FPtje;51406081]There was very little bitching after the agreement about the tagging was implemented. Now that the tags are gone, the bitching is back. You are mistaken. Please see the previous pages of this thread and the lack of bitching.[/QUOTE] Clearly you're mistaken considering the fact that people STILL bitched when he properly displayed his server in both FP threads/discord/steam/etc [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Alex_grist;51406280]I'm pretty sure StonedPenguin would have no problem shutting down the redirect servers if his servers just displayed in other regions. It's not done for ping or player faking but purely for visibility.[/QUOTE] Penguin has said many times that if valve would fix the issues then he would gladly not have the redirects.

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;51406507]Clearly you're mistaken considering the fact that people STILL bitched when he properly displayed his server in both FP threads/discord/steam/etc[/QUOTE] Surely then this thread would have posts about it? (Obviously before Commander's post) I mean you cry all the fuck you want about [I]people bitching[/I], but the simple fact remains that there was a fucking agreement and that stoned reverted his part of it. Even if every single god damn post of this entire thread consisted of literally nothing but bitching about redirect servers, even if you're completely right about redirect servers being the best solution to the problem, there was a fucking [U]agreement[/U]. I can't speak for others, but [I]I[/I] at least was [U]satisfied[/U] with it. Regardless of who's right, this is a massive fucking dick move.

[QUOTE=FPtje;51406575]Surely then this thread would have posts about it? (Obviously before Commander's post) I mean you cry all the fuck you want about [I]people bitching[/I], but the simple fact remains that there was a fucking agreement and that stoned reverted his part of it. Even if every single god damn post of this entire thread consisted of literally nothing but bitching about redirect servers, even if you're completely right about redirect servers being the best solution to the problem, there was a fucking [U]agreement[/U]. I can't speak for others, but [I]I[/I] at least was [U]satisfied[/U] with it. Regardless of who's right, this is a massive fucking dick move.[/QUOTE] Is their a post on the forums that robotboy directly talks about said agreement? Or some more info on this hard boiled agreement you keep talking about, I may of missed it but I did not see a post with said agreement.

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;51406714]Is their a post on the forums that robotboy directly talks about said agreement? Or some more info on this hard boiled agreement you keep talking about, I may of missed it but I did not see a post with said agreement.[/QUOTE] The fact that the redirects he used to use before they got blacklisted in the last update with the statement "This is your last warning" is proof enough.

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;51406714]Is their a post on the forums that robotboy directly talks about said agreement? Or some more info on this hard boiled agreement you keep talking about, I may of missed it but I did not see a post with said agreement.[/QUOTE] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1516664&p=50968518&viewfull=1#post50968518[/url] Discussion about the labelling servers, and how the low pings of redirect servers are misleading. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1516664&p=50936143&viewfull=1#post50936143[/url] Penguin's servers were blacklisted until he added the labels. The labels were added because the low pings of the redirects are fake info. The labels showed that the server was actually hosted in the US. The labels cleared things up.

I hope that connect isn't blocked as a result of this. There's legitimate uses for that. The GMod tower comes to mind. So, Mr. Brain-Washed-by-EA-and-Ubisoft, if you don't stop your shenanigans, you may be forcing the devs to remove useful functionality just because of one selfish idiot.

[I]To join other gamemodes, just open the console and type in console![/I] [lua]connect 192.134.18.1:27015; echo "thanks dickhead"[/lua]

[QUOTE=LegoGuy;51407095]I hope that connect isn't blocked as a result of this. There's legitimate uses for that. The GMod tower comes to mind. So, Mr. Brain-Washed-by-EA-and-Ubisoft, if you don't stop your shenanigans, you may be forcing the devs to remove useful functionality just because of one selfish idiot.[/QUOTE] I would be against blocking "connect" too. Ideally the root cause of this issue would be resolved, making redirect servers unnecessary in the first place. Sadly, no real solution has been found and/or implemented. Until one is, I'm [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1516664&p=50936143&viewfull=1#post50936143]still[/url] fine with redirect servers at least having a tag in their name saying [US Redirect] or something. My main grope now is that StonedPenguin [I]had[/I] a "[US]" tag, and things were settled, until he removed it without telling anyone. I mean I'd be fine with it again if he put it back and wouldn't remove it after a few months.

Don't see why everyone has to light a fire under only penguins ass considering two other major community's in gmod use redirects without properly identifying them, in my opinion one of the main reasons why penguin is only under fire is considering he pissed off commander and shig and they love starting drama against penguin, I'll say this considering the fact that the 3 of them argue a lot in numerous different places. [B]Divinity[/B] Aus [T]https://i.imgur.com/pl4qysM.png[/T] France [T]https://i.imgur.com/BxxNBGc.png[/T] [B]Urbangamers > to add these guys are actually faking the info aka player count :|[/B] France [T]https://i.imgur.com/v0eIIC8.png[/T] Aus [T]https://i.imgur.com/9wVWjBr.png[/T] So slow down the pitch forks for just penguin.

@The Commander can you reply to bigbadwilly saying that I wasn't aware of the other servers using redirects, i was only aware of penguin and I knew for a fact penguin had been told to stop - Shigbeard Also I don't have anything to gain or loose over aStonedPenguin with redirects as my servers are in US and I don't have a DarkRP server, my issue is that he's allowed to continuously allowed to get away with shady stuff like this just because of the community and the size of it. Its pretty clear he is upset by this due to the fact that Shig and I have now been banned from the glua discord. (no reasons given)

With the amount of time and dedication you spend finding ways to fight astonedpenguin you could of spent that time actually finding out about the other community's spoofing player count and or redirect servers if you would of taken 10 seconds off that bulls eye off penguins back you've got set on him in your mind, It took me literally 5 mins to find these redirect servers and an extra 10 mins to find out that urban spoofs players. Stop pointing a finger at just astonedpenguin and look at all the top servers in gmod, basically every community that's at the top does something you guys find morally wrong aka "Redirects/Spoofing/Alting/etc"

When his server is at the top of every region using fake pings to attract players, it's kinda hard to miss. Any servers using redirects like this should all be blacklisted including their main server. And the main factor in this was because he was previously warned to stop doing it, yet he clearly is allowed to pull the finger to everyone and does what ever he wants.

[QUOTE=The Commander;51407734]When his server is at the top of every region using fake pings[/QUOTE] He isn't intentionally faking the ping though, that's the result of hosting the redirect in a closer region than the real server. If the issue were fixed properly, his server would appear with a high ping but would still actually appear on the server list for people in a different region.

Didn't RobotBoy indirectly warn Stoned to not make redirect servers with false information, why don't they just punish any community doing this malicious activity.

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;51407605]Don't see why everyone has to light a fire under only penguins ass considering two other major community's in gmod use redirects without properly identifying them, in my opinion one of the main reasons why penguin is only under fire is considering he pissed off commander and shig and they love starting drama against penguin, I'll say this considering the fact that the 3 of them argue a lot in numerous different places. [B]Divinity[/B] Aus [T]https://i.imgur.com/pl4qysM.png[/T] France [T]https://i.imgur.com/BxxNBGc.png[/T] [B]Urbangamers > to add these guys are actually faking the info aka player count :|[/B] France [T]https://i.imgur.com/v0eIIC8.png[/T] Aus [T]https://i.imgur.com/9wVWjBr.png[/T] So slow down the pitch forks for just penguin.[/QUOTE] Honestly this man is totally on the money. People don't actually care that much about what they're doing explicitly, they're not complaining about the master list being broke - they care about the advantage it provides as a result. An advantage they don't have. Penguin is doing well for himself, and his server is getting a lot of players. There's hardly a way for them to stop him once-and-for-all anyway, so Robotboys threats are just hackjob wastes of time. tl;dr get fucking over it and stop bitching [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Reformed;51407844]Didn't RobotBoy indirectly warn Stoned to not make redirect servers with false information, why don't they just punish any community doing this malicious activity.[/QUOTE] yes, and they tried to fix the method - as you can see it worked! :v: