[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;51988101]i don't think that's how the internet protocol works[/QUOTE]
I'm aware. The point I'm making is that his argument is bad because spoofing [I]is[/I] exploiting.
If feeding false information to a master directory is permittable or ethical, than the scenario I described is fair game.
Question: Can Steam accounts (or at least some form of account ID) be retrieved via a [URL="https://steamcommunity.com/dev/managegameservers"]GSLT[/URL]? If so, would it be possible to use GSLTs, [B]require[/B] their use and ensure that they are unique and valid? And if anyone tries to abuse shit by using their 1000 server quota for redirect servers, [B]all[/B] GSLTs associated with their Steam account get blocked from being shown in the server list?
[QUOTE=Bo98;51988124]Question: Can Steam accounts (or at least some form of account ID) be retrieved via a [URL="https://steamcommunity.com/dev/managegameservers"]GSLT[/URL]? If so, would it be possible to use GSLTs, [B]require[/B] their use and ensure that they are unique and valid? And if anyone tries to abuse shit by using their 1000 server quota for redirect servers, [B]all[/B] GSLTs associated with their Steam account get blocked from being shown in the master server?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure they have a few senior staff which would allow them to use their accounts though
[QUOTE=JamesScott;51988146]Pretty sure they have a few senior staff which would allow them to use their accounts though[/QUOTE]
Surely that will run dry fairly quickly. It'll take much more effort to setup each individual server again than just to block a single account.
[QUOTE=Bo98;51988157]Surely that will run dry fairly quickly. It'll take much more effort to setup each individual server again than just to block a single account.[/QUOTE]
And by this same logic it would be hard for new server owners to start a server. This isn't the answer.
[QUOTE=Bo98;51988157]Surely that will run dry fairly quickly. It'll take much more effort to setup each individual server again than just to block a single account.[/QUOTE]
It's what £5 to enable a new account for it? They're making a shit tonne a month, £5 a time won't be anything to them.
[QUOTE=Footsies;51988160]And by this same logic it would be hard for new server owners to start a server. This isn't the answer.[/QUOTE]
No, my logic was more for the quantity of servers rather than anything.
But yes, people complained when CS:GO required it. I don't think it's [I]that[/I] much effort for a single server, but I can understand not everyone will be happy with it.
[QUOTE=JamesScott;51988173]It's what £5 to enable a new account for it? They're making a shit tonne a month, £5 a time won't be anything to them.[/QUOTE]
You have to get a new mobile phone number too. Most IP mobile numbers are blocked last time I checked, but that was a few months ago.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;51988147]plus can still be bypassed[/QUOTE]
First I heard about it. Shame if it is, because that is the basis behind the entire server banning system Valve uses for CS:GO community servers.
[QUOTE=Bo98;51988198]You have to get a new mobile phone number too. Most IP mobile numbers are blocked last time I checked, but that was a few months ago.[/QUOTE]
Make that $6 then for a new sim too
Oh boy, has redirect server discussion errupted again?
Just taking my time to throw my five cents worth in. Here in Australia, Sydney to be precise, when I load up the darkrp serverlist, the top 5 servers are all redirect servers to the United States; Urban Gamers, SuperiorServers, and that other one who's name escapes me at this time. I really dislike having to cherry pick the server I join just because there's a small chance that Im about to join an american server.
There are several reasons why I do not wish to join an american server. I'll list them in bullet point.
- I don't like playing in a 250-300ms environment. Say what you will about lag compensation etc, the fact of the matter is that a 50 ping server plays significantly different than a 300 ping server. There will be a noticable delay in all of your actions, including a delay between you firing your gun and the server processing that information. It's not only limited to guns too, melee weapons become significantly harder to hit and props tend to behave a bit more glitchy, especially if manipulated with the gravity gun (see DarkRP shipments, weapons, entities).
- The american playerbase is not a playerbase I like associating with. This isn't to say all americans are toxic, far from it. Just on average, american players have different moral standings to myself and other Australians. For instance, I can call an admin a cunt on an Australian server and they wouldn't bat an eyelid (unless they were like 12), but on an American server I'd be permabanned before I had the chance to explain how Australian's call even their best mates cunts and mean absolutely no offense by it, its just like saying "hey dude" or "hey bro" or something like that. American players tend to take personal offense to things way more than an Australian player, and that's something I'd rather avoid. This brings us back to the fact that redirect servers appear to be in Australia due to the latency reported (IE the $5 cloud server that redirects me to the powerful american server).
- I don't like being deceived. When I join a 50 ping local server, and end up joining a 300 ping foreign server, i feel like I've been lied to. I was under the impression I'd be playing with 80 to 100 people from Australia, not people from around the world.
- Lastly, the attitude of these server's owners. I've been banned from Stoned's server. Why? Because I stood up here on facepunch and said that I do not want redirect servers in Australia pointing to the other side of the world. I've wanted to join the server a couple of times to provide in-depth arguments for the removal of redirect servers, but I can't because Stoned has banned me. I have never even done anything on his server either. He's done the same thing to some other Australian users that have spoken out against redirect servers. I'm sure if I pointed the finger at UrbanGamers and the other one, I'd get the same behaviour, but I can confirm Stoned has done this.
On top of all this, I find it extremely scummy of StonedPenguin to even have re-enabled the redirect servers. He promised he'd take them down, he got what he wanted, he even openly said "anybody using redirect servers after this (October) update would only be doing so maliciously". So stoned, by your own words, you are hosting redirect servers maliciously. [B]You've even been told by Robotboy in the past that if you keep hosting these redirect servers without any form of labeling, they'd be IP banned.[/B] You've disrespected the gmod community, you've disrespected facepunch, and most of all you've disrespected the active developers of the game. Please, tell us why your redirect servers (and by extension your main servers) should not be removed from the server list entirely?
[QUOTE=JamesScott;51988211]Make that $6 then for a new sim too[/QUOTE]
They would have to go through the effort of setting up a new account, purchasing GMod, buying a new SIM, waiting for it to activate, linking it to Steam on either a different phone (or limiting Steam community usage on their main account by removing the authenticator from it), waiting [B]7 days[/B] for Steam to clear it, and then going through each individual redirect server and creating a token for it. If they can go through that multiple times without eventually giving up then I do not think there will be any way possible to block these redirect servers from existing without removing functionality that people use, unless you have any other suggestions?
That said, I see the hindrance of transition and of new server owners. I don't think it near compares to what people who get banned have to go through. For single servers, it's not much harder than what people have to go through to setup a server Workshop collection. [I]Most of the hindrance comes from recovering from a banned account, rather than setting up a new server.[/I] It's the transition that will be tricky, especially those with multiple servers.
It's not the perfect solution, but is there any alternatives that's not just a wild goose chase of banning multiple IPs that can be replaced in <1 hour?
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988279]really long quote[/QUOTE]
It's pretty much a scummy thing to do. I don't thing SUP would have to lie to get players anyway cause they're like the most popular lol.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51988042]You're saying we should limit creation of our content because another server owner doesn't have the knowledge to do the same thing?
What we're doing doesn't use any exploits. We aren't hacking anything.[/QUOTE]
We're saying you (SuperiorServers) should limit your server to being listed where the master server list says it should be listed, instead of bypassing the master server list and listing additional dummy servers that reconnect players to your master server, and then spoofing the playercount on these dummy servers to look like your master server.
It may not be an exploit, but it is deceitful, it's morally wrong, and it's siphoning players from other regions, players that could be otherwise playing on and maybe even donating to local servers that simply never got a chance to be seen because your server's are always at the top of everybody's serverlist.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;51988312]tbh just write "redirect server" and i don't give a shit[/QUOTE]
Saddest part, he once DID write [US | REDIRECT] onto his servers, after everyone kicking up a stink. As soon as he did, we all shut up and moved on, and he quietly removed them again.
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988279]You've disrespected the gmod community, you've disrespected facepunch, and most of all you've disrespected the active developers of the game.[/QUOTE]
I find this very unfair. The size and breadth of the communities we run and have ran have allowed us to [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549833&highlight="]actively[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1496894&highlight="]contribute[/URL] to the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1169645&highlight="]community[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1552592&highlight="]as[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547100&highlight="]a[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1247278"]whole.[/URL]
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51988341]I find this very unfair. The size and breadth of the communities we run and have ran have allowed us to [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549833&highlight="]actively[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1496894&highlight="]contribute[/URL] to the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1169645&highlight="]community[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1552592&highlight="]as[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547100&highlight="]a[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1247278"]whole.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yet despite the fact you contribute to the community, you also disrespect it by going against its wishes. We've asked you to label your redirect servers. You did that for maybe 2 or 3 weeks, and then stopped. We asked you to take down your redirect servers (by we I mean RB here mostly), even given you an entire update to fix your perceived geo-ip problem. You guys admitted that the update would fix your problem. [b]You even admitted that redirect servers would be nothing but malicious after that update[/b]. That was 6 months ago, and now you have redirect servers again.
Everyone on FP (aside from a few special snowflakes) are telling you to fuck off with your redirect servers. You refusing and pretending like you are doing nothing wrong [B]is disrespectful[/B] to the community.
You are basically saying it's ok to evade over $10M in taxes because you donated $10,000 to a charity once or twice.
The more I think about it, the more you are behaving like Donald Trump. <insert unpopular opinion meme here>
Tbh, having hoops for server owners to jump through might not be the worst thing that could happen. It might weed out a lot of the shit we have in the community...
Just a thought lol
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51988341]I find this very unfair. The size and breadth of the communities we run and have ran have allowed us to [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549833&highlight="]actively[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1496894&highlight="]contribute[/URL] to the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1169645&highlight="]community[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1552592&highlight="]as[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547100&highlight="]a[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1247278"]whole.[/URL][/QUOTE]
This is almost like saying, "I paid for admin so therefore I can do whatever I want now"
[QUOTE=Revenge282;51988379]Tbh, having hoops for server owners to jump through might not be the worst thing that could happen. It might weed out a lot of the shit we have in the community...
Just a thought lol[/QUOTE]
I completely agree, I feel that the CSGO solution should be used for Garry's Mod. This would make server owners far more responsible (legally) for the content hosted on their servers, and would make banning malicious servers easier.
Some people have said earlier that this may not be the solution, but I fail to see a better solution. Our current solution clearly isn't effective, ie we have one or two people who can (?) ban disruptive or malicious servers, but they more often don't than do, and we get drama like this.
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988369]The more I think about it, the more you are behaving like Donald Trump. <insert unpopular opinion meme here>[/QUOTE]
SAD
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[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;51988404]SAD[/QUOTE]
Glad to see you've taken the opportunity to give us your side of the story, and thrown it out the window by meming.
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988406]Glad to see you've taken the opportunity to give us your side of the story, and thrown it out the window by meming.[/QUOTE]
To be honest you can't compare someone to Trump and be taken seriously.
[QUOTE=highvoltage;51988436]To be honest you can't compare someone to Trump and be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
I compared him to trump because he is acting like trump: hiding from accusation, claiming its false despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, excusing his actions because he has a lot of money and gives a little bit of it away just when it suits him most...
How is Stoned not a trump?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51988341]I find this very unfair. The size and breadth of the communities we run and have ran have allowed us to [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549833&highlight="]actively[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1496894&highlight="]contribute[/URL] to the [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1169645&highlight="]community[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1552592&highlight="]as[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547100&highlight="]a[/URL] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1247278"]whole.[/URL][/QUOTE]
The good things you do don't balance the bad things out. They're rightfully seen independent of one another.
You seem more willing to defend Superior server's actions. I respect that. I think, though, that the comments about disrespect were about the promises were apparently made only to appease us, and that the intention to put it all back was there even before those promises were posted. Stoned [I]could not[/I] have given a bigger "FUCK YOU" message even if he wrote it on a wooden log in his anal cavity in a pink permanent marker with shiny glitters and posted it stretched out in this thread in full HD.
I don't care how many contributions you've made by being a big community, you don't treat people this way.
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988457]I compared him to trump because he is acting like trump: hiding from accusation, claiming its false despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, excusing his actions because he has a lot of money and gives a little bit of it away just when it suits him most...
How is Stoned not a trump?[/QUOTE]
I wish I had a lot of money.
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[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988457]I compared him to trump because he is acting like trump: hiding from accusation, claiming its false despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, excusing his actions because he has a lot of money and gives a little bit of it away just when it suits him most...
How is Stoned not a trump?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks tossing a trump comparison into a unrelated topic is pretty much a meme at this point. I read your post and thought you were on point and when you brought up trump it just nullified it all.
[QUOTE]10:33 PM - aStonedPenguin: [url]https://fi1.es/YoFez[/url]
10:33 PM - aStonedPenguin: dont see myself as the malicous one here[/QUOTE]
Translation: Everyone else is doing it so I can do it too!
Stoned, if UrbanGamers and DivinityRoleplay jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?
You are the malicious one here, because you told us you would take down the servers. You DID take down the servers, then brought them back up.
Please see Falco's post about the wooden log.
Hello, can someone pm me the method so i can abuse this myself,
thanks.
[I]fix this shit and the clusterfuck goes away[/I]
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51988483]Translation: Everyone else is doing it so I can do it too!
Stoned, if UrbanGamers and DivinityRoleplay jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?
You are the malicious one here, because you told us you would take down the servers. You DID take down the servers, then brought them back up.
Please see Falco's post about the wooden log.[/QUOTE]
Funny he says that considering he is the one who has used redirects first both times. Both UG and Div only put up redirects after Sup had them online for a few months again without any punishment.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/lqG6L46.png[/IMG]
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