[QUOTE=ertug20;52046425]Yeah, how about we also stop developing the Linux branch and impose an EULA stating that you can't sell any original content to make a profit :why:
At least WHOIS the IP properly. I don't put in the hard work for people to skip it. Also, [B]there is no TOS[/B]. That's the issue. We aren't guaranteed any rights by Facepunch Studios.[/QUOTE]
Dont cry
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Ahh funnly enough it is you GMCHosting, your just using OVH as your hosting company i guess? :v:
[QUOTE=tzahush;52046436]Dont cry
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Ahh funnly enough it is you GMCHosting, your just using OVH as your hosting company i guess? :v:[/QUOTE]
Wait until I get my own location. It's coming soon enough, I swear. :blaze:
Regardless, I wouldn't really call that a proper solution though.
[QUOTE=ertug20;52046446]Wait until I get my own location. It's coming soon enough, I swear. :blaze:
Regardless, I wouldn't really call that a proper solution though.[/QUOTE]
Why not?
It'll shut them down, and everyone will be happy.
[QUOTE=tzahush;52046450]Why not?
It'll shut them down, and everyone will be happy.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know that getting somebody DMCAed meant that they were forever banned from coming back to the internet and making another server. It's not a sustainable solution in any way.
[QUOTE=ertug20;52046425]Yeah, how about we also stop developing the Linux branch and impose an EULA stating that you can't sell any original content to make a profit :why:[/QUOTE]
Stop acting dumb. He is actively trying to circumvent any attempt to blacklist his servers. The only plausible solution would be to force people to register their servers to their steam accounts. Steam already requires you to have a valid phone number and a mobile authenticator (i think) attached to your account, and I believe a ban against an account in this regard also applies to the phone number (meaning that number cannot be used on a new account to circumvent the ban). I also believe that steam requires you to own the game to register a server to an account.
What this would mean for Penguin is that he'd have to link all of his servers to his steam account. Should he then have his servers blacklisted, his steam account could be added to the blacklist, meaning he would have to get a new account, buy garry's mod on that account, get a new phone number, attach that to his account, setup Authy on his computer for a mobile authenticator, and at the end of the day he's spent maybe $20 and 2 hours just to get banned again 5 minutes later by Robotboy.
It's the same logic behind making spammers on Discord wait 10 minutes and verify their email to bypass bans. While it can be done easily enough, the time and effort required to do this would deter most people. Only the truly dedicated would keep at it.
I seriously don't understand what linux branch and EULAs have to do with this. I feel like you are just protesting any solutions to Penguin's behavior for some arbitrary reason. It's been established that what he is doing is wrong, regardless of what exactly he is doing.
EDIT: Wait, are you their provider? Because that would explain why you claim they do nothing wrong. The only other explanation is you are secretly in bed with SUP.
Funny that KingofBeast and StonedPenguin are watching this thread most of the time. Could that be considered corporate espionage? This thing is becoming a little war. Quite pointless IMO. I don't understand why this guy can't just host his servers without any redirecting crap. All the blacklisting stuff is probably hurting his playerbase, he even has to explain how to reach his servers. So much for nothing.
[QUOTE=MaxShadow;52046473]Funny that KingofBeast and StonedPenguin are watching this thread most of the time. Could that be considered corporate espionage? This thing is becoming a little war. Quite pointless IMO. I don't understand why this guy can't just host his servers without any redirecting crap. All the blacklisting stuff is probably hurting his playerbase, he even has to explain how to reach his servers. So much for nothing.[/QUOTE]
Because when his servers got blacklisted last time his gametracker ranking went down from 1st to 3rd. :v:
[QUOTE=Redfiend;52046470]Stop acting dumb. He is actively trying to circumvent any attempt to blacklist his servers. The only plausible solution would be to force people to register their servers to their steam accounts. Steam already requires you to have a valid phone number and a mobile authenticator (i think) attached to your account, and I believe a ban against an account in this regard also applies to the phone number (meaning that number cannot be used on a new account to circumvent the ban). I also believe that steam requires you to own the game to register a server to an account.
What this would mean for Penguin is that he'd have to link all of his servers to his steam account. Should he then have his servers blacklisted, his steam account could be added to the blacklist, meaning he would have to get a new account, buy garry's mod on that account, get a new phone number, attach that to his account, setup Authy on his computer for a mobile authenticator, and at the end of the day he's spent maybe $20 and 2 hours just to get banned again 5 minutes later by Robotboy.
It's the same logic behind making spammers on Discord wait 10 minutes and verify their email to bypass bans. While it can be done easily enough, the time and effort required to do this would deter most people. Only the truly dedicated would keep at it.
I seriously don't understand what linux branch and EULAs have to do with this. I feel like you are just protesting any solutions to Penguin's behavior for some arbitrary reason. It's been established that what he is doing is wrong, regardless of what exactly he is doing.[/QUOTE]
That's the joke redfiend. The point is that I find it to be an extremely painful and problematic "solution". It's like how the TSA is intrusive and a huge inconvenience because of 9/11 (one single event or situation).
I'll give you guys one thing though. You have the endurance of a race horse. It's probably because it's only 1 PM where you are but still. I'm going to call this a night and actually get some work done.
[QUOTE=ertug20;52046485]That's the joke redfiend. The point is that I find it to be an extremely painful and problematic "solution". It's like how the TSA is intrusive and a huge inconvenience because of 9/11 (one single event or situation).
I'll give you guys one thing though. You have the endurance of a race horse. It's probably because it's only 1 PM where you are but still. I'm going to call this a night and actually get some work done.[/QUOTE]
6 AM here pal, on the bus to work :s:
[QUOTE=ertug20;52046485]
I'll give you guys one thing though. You have the endurance of a race horse. It's probably because it's only 1 PM where you are but still. I'm going to call this a night and actually get some work done.[/QUOTE]
What confuses me is why you, the guy with no stake in all of this, are still posting so late into the night. At least we have a reason to care about what happens.
[QUOTE=bobbleheadbob;52046512]What confuses me is why you, the guy with no stake in all of this, are still posting so late into the night. At least we have a reason to care about what happens.[/QUOTE]
Of course he cares, they pay him..
[QUOTE=ertug20;52046485]That's the joke redfiend. The point is that I find it to be an extremely painful and problematic "solution". It's like how the TSA is intrusive and a huge inconvenience because of 9/11 (one single event or situation).
I'll give you guys one thing though. You have the endurance of a race horse. It's probably because it's only 1 PM where you are but still. I'm going to call this a night and actually get some work done.[/QUOTE]
It is 1PM, that's why it seems like I have no life over this.
And yes, you are right. It is a form of pseudo solution, however because Penguin chooses to persist against overwhelming backlash and even several blacklists, there isn't a better solution.
We could ignore him and let him have his redirects, but then the problem isn't solved and it just sets a precedent for the other redirect servers to come back that were hosted by other communities (which at some point was penguin's excuse for hosting redirects: "But these guys do it, why can't I?").
We could keep getting his servers blacklisted by IP every time he bypasses the blacklist, but then we aren't achieving anything as it will be a constant game of cat and mouse, with penguin always having the opportunity to get ahead of us.
We could implement an annoyingly complex set of requirements to host a server that prove to be counter intuitive for most people simply so it's easier to blacklist penguins servers, but like you said it's like starting a world war just because one guy spat into your meal at McDonalds.
There is no perfect solution, so we must settle for the best possible one. Option 1 isn't even an option. Option 2 is unsustainable and drags valuable time away from Robotboy who could better spend that time with his family/friends or making updates to benefit the whole community, or Option 3 which makes hosting servers slightly harder for the community, [I]may[/I] have the added benefit of lowering the amount of 12yr old hosted cookie cutter DarkRP servers but will ultimately cost Penguin every time he gets blacklisted.
Unless you have another solution I haven't come up with yet.
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anyway don't hate me for saying this, but I don't get why this is such a huge issue. I'd like to say "leave it be" or "you don't have to play on their servers", but oh well.
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anyway don't hate me for saying this, but I don't get why this is such a huge issue. I'd like to say "leave it be" or "you don't have to play on their servers", but oh well.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the only reason it's a huge issue is because StonedPenguin has promised that he would take those redirect servers down and has even said it on this thread, but he ended up finding "another way"...best way I could describe it. This way is literally no different than a redirect server or it's purpose is to redirect.
[QUOTE=LieutExcalibu;52046894]Pretty sure the only reason it's a huge issue is because StonedPenguin has promised that he would take those redirect servers down and has even said it on this thread, but he ended up finding "another way"...best way I could describe it. This way is literally no different than a redirect server or it's purpose is to redirect.[/QUOTE]
The other reason is that he actively works around blacklists, something akin to breaking out of jail.
He gets blacklisted and essentially has his servers not showing? What do you expect him to do in that situation? Just give up and admit defeat? Nah, He's going to keep fighting to keep his servers showing.
[QUOTE=NootNootEh;52047206]He gets blacklisted and essentially has his servers not showing? What do you expect him to do in that situation? Just give up and admit defeat? Nah, He's going to keep fighting to keep his servers showing.[/QUOTE]
Or he could have done what he promised in the first place and none of those would have ever happened. Also, why did you make a new Facepunch account? Pretty sure PMing a mod can get you a rename.
[QUOTE=code_gs;52047212]Or he could have done what he promised in the first place and none of those would have ever happened. Also, why did you make a new Facepunch account? Pretty sure PMing a mod can get you a rename.[/QUOTE]
True enough he could of went by his own word and not broken the promise but due to it already being broken I don't see why people keep going on that he's still doing it AFTER he was blacklisted, since what do you expect him to do? Just not fight to put his servers on the list again.
Ps. I didn't think they'd rename me :|
With the conversation I've had with him yesterday I think he's too full of himself to conclude that he's only making it worse for himself. FP staff is supposedly unprofessional, the opinion of everyone else doesn't matter and stoned himself has done nothing wrong, except that he should have shut up at some point.
This is delusional narcissism. Don't expect this "Mexican standoff" to end on his side. Despite everything he thinks he's on the right side of this, and he's too proud to consider giving in despite believing he's right.
[QUOTE=code_gs;52047212]Also, why did you make a new Facepunch account? Pretty sure PMing a mod can get you a rename.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Got mine changed from Neat-Nit to NeatNit a while back.
It doesn't surprise anyone that he's trying to crawl his way back into the server list, but he was [b]banned[b] from the server list because he broke the rules that he was explicitly told not to break. Banning anyone from anything has never been trivial or easy, and there's no system in place to ban a specific person or community from the server list (mainly because until now this wasn't needed) so it's going to be a battle. But just like a facepunch user who got banned and keeps making alt accounts, there isn't much else RB can do except to keep banning his new IPs or find a better way to ban the whole server forever.
[QUOTE=FPtje;52047236]With the conversation I've had with him yesterday I think he's too full of himself to conclude that he's only making it worse for himself. FP staff is supposedly unprofessional, the opinion of everyone else doesn't matter and stoned himself has done nothing wrong, except that he should have shut up at some point.
This is delusional narcissism. Don't expect this "Mexican standoff" to end on his side. Despite everything he thinks he's on the right side of this, and he's too proud to consider giving in despite believing he's right.[/QUOTE]
I think from his point of view he views them as unprofessional and one of the reasons for it I believe is because they aren't responding to him at all, taking personal opinion over their professional one. essentially not allowing them to be able to find ways to support their community and get themselves out there more because they can't get a response from said dev's.
Correct me if i'm wrong just stating a point of view that's possible.
It's true that [i]sometimes[/i] the devs are notoriously hard to get hold of, but if they're not answering you should at least come to the forum and ask other people what they think of this alternative method / complain that the devs aren't replying to your queries. You're banned for a month? WAIT A FUCKING MONTH. There's no rush, and you KNEW you were going to get blacklisted. Claiming that RB didn't answer you is just an excuse, and a lousy one at that.
[QUOTE=NootNootEh;52047254]I think from his point of view he views them as unprofessional and one of the reasons for it I believe is because they aren't responding to him at all, taking personal opinion over their professional one. essentially not allowing them to be able to find ways to support their community and get themselves out there more because they can't get a response from said dev's.
Correct me if i'm wrong just stating a point of view that's possible.[/QUOTE]
I think you're hitting the nail on the viewpoint. They might indeed have asked the devs and they might indeed not have gotten a response. Their mistake was to then decide to just go on with it. Their demand to FP staff to be professional is unreasonable too. You cannot expect more professional behaviour than what RB has shown, especially when you're pissing in his face.
Honestly, I have not a single bad word about RB's way of dealing with this. He drew the line, warned on time and he's doing precisely what he promised to do after that line was crossed. He doesn't participate in the specific drama of this thread and even stoned's chat logs show that he is consistently calm. I genuinely [I]cannot[/I] imagine a more professional way of dealing with this.
[QUOTE=Jelman;52046296][t]https://jelman.me/sharex/2017-04-02_03-27-12.png[/t]
"mexican standoff" apparently[/QUOTE]
o shit look at his pic what have we done?!?
Want him to stop? Call up whatever host he's using and tell them if they don't either drop him or get him to stop that their whole range of IP's are getting blacklisted.
Is it the Nuclear Option? Yes.
Is it a good option? No.
Is it going to make the situation come to a conclusion faster than post-nuke Japan? Oh you can bet your biscuits it will.
I'm not recommending this except as a really really far off last resort, but if it comes to pass that it needs to be done than every host that wants to keep making money is going to perk their ears up, hear what's going on, and refuse contact with him harder than a plague victim in Medieval Europe.
Could make a bot that joins the top 10 servers and bans any that take the program to his main server. Run it for a month till he gives up.
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;52047804]Want him to stop? Call up whatever host he's using and tell them if they don't either drop him or get him to stop that their whole range of IP's are getting blacklisted.
Is it the Nuclear Option? Yes.
Is it a good option? No.
Is it going to make the situation come to a conclusion faster than post-nuke Japan? Oh you can bet your biscuits it will.
I'm not recommending this except as a really really far off last resort, but if it comes to pass that it needs to be done than every host that wants to keep making money is going to perk their ears up, hear what's going on, and refuse contact with him harder than a plague victim in Medieval Europe.[/QUOTE]
Company's usually wont drop a customer because the IP the customer is using got banned off a single game, Small time company's? Sure it's possible, But big time company's? If it doesn't break their TOS they usually don't give a shit.
[QUOTE=NootNootEh;52047820]Company's usually wont drop a customer because the IP the customer is using got banned off a single game, Small time company's? Sure, But Big time company's? If it doesn't break their TOS they usually don't give a shit.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/t8yWZ7U.png[/IMG]I said to ban their whole range of IPs.
That's a whole lot of angry customers who suddenly got dropped that they now have to deal with.
edit: And I don't imagine that they'd want to lose out on the (atleast depending on the day/time) tenth most popular game on steam.
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;52047804]Want him to stop? Call up whatever host he's using and tell them if they don't either drop him or get him to stop that their whole range of IP's are getting blacklisted.
Is it the Nuclear Option? Yes.
Is it a good option? No.
Is it going to make the situation come to a conclusion faster than post-nuke Japan? Oh you can bet your biscuits it will.
I'm not recommending this except as a really really far off last resort, but if it comes to pass that it needs to be done than every host that wants to keep making money is going to perk their ears up, hear what's going on, and refuse contact with him harder than a plague victim in Medieval Europe.[/QUOTE]
IANAL but that doesn't sound like a legal thing to do. Legal aside I also think it'd cause more harm than.. anti-harm. It doesn't even accomplish any good. Let's not drag anyone else down into this shitty feud.
If you meant that they should only make an empty threat to do that, well, it's an empty one. Probably won't accomplish anything. Plus this is about the most unprofessional option possible, there is no chance in hell you'd convince RB to do that.
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Garry's Mod needs to be as welcoming as possible IMO, and making enemies with major server hosting companies is unlikely to fare well.
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