Anti-Cheat Discussion Thread 2

[SB2DevTeam]

[QUOTE=Delremos;33557710]Why not have a system that gives you a specific key to submit bans for your group/community, then other communities can see your list, and if they trust you, choose to use your list of bans.[/QUOTE]

Or some sort of point system?
Per server that bans a user it gets an extra point.

Servers can then choose from which amount of points a user gets autobanned from their server, if the user has less than the amount of points, a warning could be given to the admins (together with his ban info)?

[nalyD]

[QUOTE=SB2DevTeam;33581460]Or some sort of point system?
Per server that bans a user it gets an extra point.

Servers can then choose from which amount of points a user gets autobanned from their server, if the user has less than the amount of points, a warning could be given to the admins (together with his ban info)?[/QUOTE]

possibly with a filter to only count towards certain gamemodes
i.e. I've been banned in TTT because an admin got caught in my grenade from the other side of a wall and was a fellow traitor

this would be more acceptable in a DarkRP, and in any srsRP would be impossible because I don't think there's any SrsRPs with grenades >.>

also, while on TTT, global karma-like system?

[ArmageddonScr]

[QUOTE=DylanWilson;33581616]also, while on TTT, global karma-like system?[/QUOTE] Personally, I think that specifically wouldn't be a good idea. I have low karma on some servers because I've had to kill a certain player at the beginning of every round because he kept rdming everyone else, and everyone was too stupid to do anything about it :v: And plus if I didn't kill him, he was going to kill me. And no admins were on.

[Man Without Hat]

[QUOTE=small noob;33580241]Where can I find your server?
I will join with cheats enabled.[/QUOTE]

It's stonedpotatoes, you've already seen it. Just added another ~20 fresh catches to the list.

[nalyD]

[QUOTE=ArmageddonScr;33581864]Personally, I think that specifically wouldn't be a good idea. I have low karma on some servers because I've had to kill a certain player at the beginning of every round because he kept rdming everyone else, and everyone was too stupid to do anything about it :v: And plus if I didn't kill him, he was going to kill me. And no admins are on.[/QUOTE]

well, not strictly TTT rules, I mean, maybe a karma system like..
a player gets banned from server a, so he loses x amount of karma.
but on server b, he played for at least.. an hour? without an infraction, so he gains back y amount of karma
servers can assign there minimum karma level, etc.

[small noob]

[QUOTE=OldFusion;33577898]Disclosing the anti-cheat makes it completely useless

But our 560 cheat bans speak for themself[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UxnGz.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wN5Is.jpg[/IMG]
Good job on that anti-cheat.
HeX's anti-cheat has no problem detecting it.

[Man Without Hat]

It hasn't been updated since march, what do you really expect lol

[small noob]

[QUOTE=tazy4tazy;33507517]If someone is aimbotting, you rec a demo/vid and send it to us, most of the time, the global bans will be mainly from ::Frosty's or another team members server.
::Frosty, me, And killerLua aren't curroupt.

The global ban feature will also have a toggle switch, if you dont want it on, you wont HAVE to have it it on.[/QUOTE]

Don't you have sethhack?

[OldFusion]

Funny enough Small noob here is already got permabanned from our server for cheating about a year ago.

Our cheat doesn't instantly ban. give me the steamid used.

[small noob]

[QUOTE=OldFusion;33615831]Funny enough Small noob here is already got permabanned from our server for cheating about a year ago.

Our cheat doesn't instantly ban. give me the steamid used.[/QUOTE]

Didn't Flapadar manually ban me after I posted his AC?

[jamie]

Personally I can't say something sucks because I've never coded LUA but if you've coded something like an AC in the past why not instead of saying "oh that is shite" say where they can improve it and complement them; Sure you don't always need to be nice but everyone need's to stop being prickish around here - of course there are some who aren't but they know who they are.

[wauterboi]

[QUOTE=jamie1130;33733629]Personally I can't say something sucks because I've never coded LUA but if you've coded something like an AC in the past why not instead of saying "oh that is shite" say where they can improve it and complement them; Sure you don't always need to be nice but everyone need's to stop being prickish around here - of course there are some who aren't but they know who they are.[/QUOTE]
If something doesn't work, doesn't do it's job correctly, or causes a huge unnecessary inconvenience to the player you have every right to be like, "What is this? This sucks because of -blank-."

I mean, following your logic if I go to see a movie and I think it's terrible I can't say anything because I can't do much with Lua and I can't personally come up to them and tell them where they went wrong. If it sucks, it sucks. Period. Stop trying to be so politically correct and non-offensive - sometimes it's better to just tell someone that something is bad because then they'll stop doing whatever it is that is making it bad.

I can agree that saying, "lolfag u sux" is pretty stupid though - just as stupid as saying, "lol lets se u do betr fag"

[Ruzza]

This has turned from a discussion about Anti-Cheat and how it picks it up to omg lol your anti cheat sucks, I'm going to hack on your server.

Wow -.-

[pollyzoid]

Alright, here, have an anti-cheat-ish thing.

[url]http://pastie.org/private/wdmjvr4ubespggynuo5rbw[/url]

DISCLAIMER: Not guaranteed to actually work. All the table counts and crc values are from my own client. May or may not be stable (ie. false positives)
But feel free to learn the techniques.

[Fagadar]

_R counts are very likely to change with GMod updates (Stack changes). Comparing them against other client's counts is much more effective.

[pollyzoid]

[QUOTE=Fagadar;33766212]_R counts are very likely to change with GMod updates (Stack changes). Comparing them against other client's counts is much more effective.[/QUOTE]

That's what it would do if implemented on a server. I was thinking of something like sending the values to the server on Initialize, then the server could compare it to either fixed values or to other players' values.

[Fagadar]

[QUOTE=raBBish;33770592]That's what it would do if implemented on a server. I was thinking of something like sending the values to the server on Initialize, then the server could compare it to either fixed values or to other players' values.[/QUOTE]

I use a mix of both. "Bad" values, and player values.

[Ruzza]

If there's an update, my anti cheat checks against the VERSION variable, so I can update _R _G values, the anti-cheat won't run till I update it and change the version the anti-cheat should be running with. Comes in handy not having to ban innocent people after an update :P

[tazy4tazy]

[QUOTE=frosty802;33495894]You made that? Its very simular to an older version of HeX Anti-Cheat I have.

[URL=http://p.imgtube.net/KFzKq.png][IMG]http://p.imgtube.net/KFzKq.png[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE]

Dont mean to bump, but the 4th icon looks like the SethHack forums...

[Science]

[QUOTE=tazy4tazy;33951515]Dont mean to bump, but the 4th icon looks like the SethHack forums...[/QUOTE]Dont start this argument about sethhack again.
Didn't go well last time.

[Cush]

But discussions about SethHack are always fun!

[lorde banana]

What happens when they block RunConsoleCommand though, your anti cheat is now useless

[Science]

[QUOTE=Banana Lord.;33953529]What happens when they block RunConsoleCommand though, your anti cheat is now useless[/QUOTE]He was using that as an example.
You dont need to make it print to chat.

[Cush]

[QUOTE=Banana Lord.;33953529]What happens when they block RunConsoleCommand though, your anti cheat is now useless[/QUOTE]

From personal experience, 99% of people dont join servers with it enabled. You can also do something with it after X time when they have likely disabled it.

You could also make it run two console commands, one mandatory for all players, if they dont run it then they get flagged as potentially having it. Not really much point though, literally nobody blocks console command, and would most likely forget to block it on mapchange.

Also, enjoy: (See anyone familiar Banana?)

11/10/11 15:25:16 - STEAM_0:0:30256551 - 216.161.149.194:27005 - Cyphy - PrintTable loaded
11/10/11 19:46:37 - STEAM_0:0:17488508 - 213.35.193.246:4518 - (=*CBC*=) Golden Microdisease - PrintTable loaded
11/11/11 16:34:46 - STEAM_0:0:31219365 - 71.185.39.27:27005 - JДMϵ͞S
11/11/11 18:44:48 - STEAM_0:1:40740032 - 72.197.176.43:27005 - Jackson
11/11/11 21:01:09 - STEAM_0:0:39163312 - 85.167.135.252:27005 - Mortal Freaking Viking (NOR(
11/11/11 22:36:49 - STEAM_0:0:33891807 - 85.247.156.226:62492 - GDI
11/12/11 13:52:54 - STEAM_0:1:21196163 - 217.137.239.253:27005 - Slave of Banana
11/12/11 18:12:22 - STEAM_0:0:24940422 - 173.238.56.104:27005 - ClubLuigi
11/12/11 21:08:00 - STEAM_0:0:24213184 - 81.159.4.147:1024 - {IG} TrueCoppa
11/13/11 02:37:34 - STEAM_0:1:37962455 - 67.169.246.97:27005 - sniper0shaman
11/13/11 03:22:04 - STEAM_0:1:19812177 - 81.106.58.119:27005 - Keeran
11/13/11 12:52:19 - STEAM_0:1:24435842 - 213.67.188.48:57521 - Rolliz
11/14/11 15:33:16 - STEAM_0:1:45424776 - 81.205.42.137:51250 - *RazeR
11/19/11 19:46:10 - STEAM_0:1:26949104 - 86.6.152.162:27005 - death38
11/19/11 21:50:16 - STEAM_0:0:43706051 - 99.99.116.224:27005 - † ¢яσѕѕ †
11/20/11 01:24:51 - STEAM_0:0:34143111 - 184.148.96.125:27005 - Travis
11/22/11 21:40:46 - STEAM_0:0:35034428 - 98.244.46.200:27005 - Dylan Klebold
11/24/11 14:03:35 - STEAM_0:0:29239364 - 99.32.57.188:27005 - Aimbot.exe
11/25/11 16:37:01 - STEAM_0:1:43675285 - 71.190.253.20:27005 - SuckMyPinga
11/25/11 17:05:17 - STEAM_0:1:32024708 - 189.122.110.192:6025 - AfroTendovvi
11/25/11 19:17:26 - STEAM_0:1:17174283 - 74.67.6.111:27005 - Cat :3
11/25/11 21:42:32 - STEAM_0:0:31615557 - 98.234.43.248:40470 - [LL] (WBA Inf.)Pvt. Killjoy445
11/25/11 23:29:11 - STEAM_0:1:22308446 - 75.80.28.115:27005 - ST | STONEY
11/25/11 23:41:35 - STEAM_0:1:42061868 - 206.248.158.54:27005 - y0gurt
11/26/11 13:25:50 - STEAM_0:1:23240412 - 58.164.27.143:27005 - Mr Derpa
11/27/11 19:25:56 - STEAM_0:0:19318165 - 206.255.31.169:27005 - [ZULU] Dr|Jake
11/29/11 18:59:10 - STEAM_0:1:39246443 - 173.66.204.227:27005 - Rockstar
12/03/11 00:09:37 - STEAM_0:1:19916550 - 96.28.95.65:27005 - iN^SaNe
12/04/11 12:50:18 - STEAM_0:1:10908429 - 83.183.17.228:49247 - Anders Behring Breivik
12/06/11 12:44:43 - STEAM_0:1:10309922 - 92.85.248.125:27005 - p0sey
12/07/11 13:56:01 - STEAM_0:0:43159831 - 173.71.155.132:27005 - Okkerfae
12/07/11 16:49:14 - STEAM_0:0:44864516 - 99.241.44.148:27005 - KingTritus
12/07/11 19:24:13 - STEAM_0:1:41847396 - 86.180.229.238:27005 - Auto-Tune Jesus
12/07/11 23:35:46 - STEAM_0:1:35214598 - 94.171.165.74:27005 - Exogen Manwhore | Killjoy
12/10/11 11:53:58 - STEAM_0:0:23748086 - 58.172.202.122:27005 - Hamargan
12/10/11 19:43:52 - STEAM_0:0:39543268 - 86.186.231.136:27005 - Knuckles
12/10/11 19:55:12 - STEAM_0:0:46676890 - 66.26.227.36:27005 - Diabetic Raptor
12/10/11 21:12:11 - STEAM_0:0:23718967 - 66.74.160.213:27005 - ReconPWN™
12/10/11 21:25:13 - STEAM_0:0:45008543 - 65.185.85.169:27005 - Mr.Teddy™
12/12/11 15:14:24 - STEAM_0:0:31001396 - 85.231.120.47:27005 - CupQuakes
12/12/11 16:43:00 - STEAM_0:0:26707259 - 77.213.84.161:28814 - Fjernsyn
12/13/11 23:55:08 - STEAM_0:1:19758658 - 86.24.213.1:27005 - Blitzy :D
12/14/11 17:50:03 - STEAM_0:0:15612692 - 108.193.128.239:27005 - LiL_PimP_917
12/17/11 23:39:37 - STEAM_0:0:43688624 - 71.190.253.20:27005 - MLG
12/18/11 17:56:25 - STEAM_0:1:30673177 - 66.41.103.113:27005 - Phatpat420 (baked)
12/19/11 17:14:11 - STEAM_0:1:10417976 - 2.104.133.217:27005 - [Gmod.biZ] KaNN
12/24/11 17:16:10 - STEAM_0:0:31911048 - 173.67.251.34:27005 - carlos senate
12/26/11 19:59:45 - STEAM_0:1:20106843 - 188.176.20.214:27005 - Zeus.
12/26/11 23:01:01 - STEAM_0:1:29951145 - 71.75.224.37:27005 - |HGN| Sgarner215 [LP]
12/27/11 22:00:59 - STEAM_0:0:19416161 - 86.52.47.218:27005 - Smoking Death
12/29/11 22:12:55 - STEAM_0:1:37475407 - 99.106.227.183:27005 - Jesus christ
12/29/11 23:44:58 - STEAM_0:0:19856818 - 188.107.255.179:27005 - Timeracer | B-P
12/30/11 13:58:39 - STEAM_0:1:21961455 - 68.111.84.170:27005 - lone wolf
12/31/11 01:24:10 - STEAM_0:1:26104355 - 194.46.227.11:27005 - [GM] Gaw

[danielga]

[QUOTE=Lilolia;33956683]do something with it after X time when they have likely disabled it.[/QUOTE]

You could, for example, add gameplay breaking features when a cheat is detected. Basically, you don't ban people but incite the infractors to remove their cheats because it's just harming others (and fucking their games with these features). Something like drawing random stuff on the screen or removing important HUD information or even removing some important skills needed to complete the objective (can't jump or buy items). Since these features are part of the gamemode, it would be pratically impossible to bypass or remove because, otherwise, the hack could end up removing other important features.

[#NaN]

[QUOTE=danielga;33964094]You could, for example, add gameplay breaking features when a cheat is detected. Basically, you don't ban people but incite the infractors to remove their cheats because it's just harming others (and fucking their games with these features). Something like drawing random stuff on the screen or removing important HUD information or even removing some important skills needed to complete the objective (can't jump or buy items). Since these features are part of the gamemode, it would be pratically impossible to bypass or remove because, otherwise, the hack could end up removing other important features.[/QUOTE]

Or just kick them. Same effect: They must turn their cheats off.

[Cush]

Or just permanently ban them. Problem solved.

[Ruzza]

Why not set the Sethhackers friends name to SETHHACKER | <sh name> instead, it's fun watching people shit their pants and try and spam it so you don't see it on their profiles?

Have my list

[quote]16/12/2011 - 02:02:40 | SHUSER: realossum | STEAMUSER: coldkillz | ALIAS: Ownage | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:18355021 | IP: 58.173.130.22:27005
16/12/2011 - 02:16:06 | SHUSER: N/A | STEAMUSER: starhero_tom | ALIAS: Roqj | STEAMID: STEAM_0:1:20394702 | IP: 60.240.144.184:27005
16/12/2011 - 08:14:02 | SHUSER: shotgunman123 | STEAMUSER: nicko912 | ALIAS: Snooker | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:27281484 | IP: 27.33.144.138:27005
16/12/2011 - 10:30:56 | SHUSER: N/A | STEAMUSER: clockworkcycles | ALIAS: DJMilkandCookiez | Pluto | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:39050301 | IP: 107.47.103.211:27005
16/12/2011 - 11:03:28 | SHUSER: mster_93 | STEAMUSER: corystraka | ALIAS: Pal-po-teen | STEAMID: STEAM_0:1:12412908 | IP: 72.177.171.196:27005
16/12/2011 - 12:13:27 | SHUSER: HezzAU | STEAMUSER: krystalmeth | ALIAS: Gibe | STEAMID: STEAM_0:1:25961258 | IP: 124.188.144.50:27005
16/12/2011 - 12:51:57 | SHUSER: dray | STEAMUSER: smdordiie | ALIAS: DistractioN | STEAMID: STEAM_0:1:34370714 | IP: 119.224.11.171:27005
27/12/2011 - 09:43:27 | SHUSER: Georgethegray | STEAMUSER: lilganxsta | ALIAS: [OG-A] Chris | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:15930135 | IP: 123.2.167.88:27005
27/12/2011 - 14:17:36 | SHUSER: rusher | STEAMUSER: simonsmsn199 | ALIAS: {-Dε-} Frank | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:25345204 | IP: 24.10.26.35:27005
27/12/2011 - 16:18:19 | SHUSER: NachtMaere | STEAMUSER: nachtmaere | ALIAS: Benjamin | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:31372055 | IP: 124.185.223.123:61293
28/12/2011 - 13:31:18 | SHUSER: Doom | STEAMUSER: 777heavenslord777 | ALIAS: Jack Slenderman | STEAMID: STEAM_0:1:37173161 | IP: 46.37.178.91:27005
28/12/2011 - 14:55:26 | SHUSER: MrShizzle | STEAMUSER: heinserver | ALIAS: Mr. Heineken | STEAMID: STEAM_0:0:28307108 | IP: 87.210.126.221:27005[/quote]

[img]http://puu.sh/bWtt[/img]

[quote][13:31:19] Jack Slenderman<STEAM_0:1:37173161> changed their name to SETHHACKER: Doom
[13:31:23] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:24] Hipter: All good.
[13:31:25] Raygun<STEAM_0:0:43659289> spawned model models/hunter/plates/plate2x2.mdl
[13:31:27] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:29] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:29] Blyzard - killed Travisti | HypaNova using player
[13:31:33] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:37] Hipter killed SETHHACKER: Doom using player
[13:31:38] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:43] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:44] &#9819; Froggy: how do we break down props ?
[13:31:47] Travisti | HypaNova killed Blyzard - using player
[13:31:48] Travisti | HypaNova killed &#9819; Froggy using player
[13:31:49] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:53] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:31:58] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:32:03] SETHHACKER: Doom: I'm bad at Garry's Mod
[13:32:07] Dropped "SETHHACKER: Doom" from server<STEAM_0:1:37173161>

[14:55:20] Client "Mr. Heineken" spawned in server (87.210.126.221:27005)<STEAM_0:0:28307108>.
[14:55:26] Mr. Heineken: I spent more than double the amount I spent on this game, I'm proud of myself.
[14:55:28] Mr. Heineken<STEAM_0:0:28307108> changed their name to SETHHACKER: MrShizzle
[14:55:29] SETHHACKER: MrShizzle: I spent more than double the amount I spent on this game, I'm proud of myself.
[14:55:30] Dropped "SETHHACKER: MrShizzle" from server<STEAM_0:0:28307108>

[15:19:01] Client "Dr. Shank" spawned in server (24.10.26.35:27005)<STEAM_0:0:25345204>.
[15:19:03] Franky: huh?
[15:19:05] Dr. Shank: Why am I so skill-less?
[15:19:06] Dr. Shank<STEAM_0:0:25345204> changed their name to SETHHACKER: rusher
[15:19:07] SETHHACKER: rusher: Why am I so skill-less?
[15:19:10] Rye<STEAM_0:1:27253450> spawned sent sent_weaponcrate
[15:19:12] Darkito D:<STEAM_0:1:36753701> spawned sent sent_spawnpoint
[15:19:12] Client "»DizZY»" connected (122.59.73.214:53185).
[15:19:12] SETHHACKER: rusher: Why am I so skill-less?
[15:19:17] SETHHACKER: rusher: Why am I so skill-less?
[15:19:18] Franky: lol sethhacker
[15:19:22] SETHHACKER: rusher: Why am I so skill-less?
[15:19:27] SETHHACKER: rusher: Why am I so skill-less?
[15:19:32] SETHHACKER: rusher: Why am I so skill-less?
[/quote]

[LuaStoned]

[QUOTE=Lilolia;33956683]...[/QUOTE]

Don't post their IP's.

[lorde banana]

[QUOTE=Lilolia;33956683]Also, enjoy: (See anyone familiar Banana?)[/QUOTE]

no D: