What would you say is wrong with DarkRP? - Garry's Mod

Too much focus on gun use. It pretty much turns into Team Deathmatch with some teams being peaceful. I don't think guns should be removed from DarkRP though, just less of a focus on them,

Gun dealer class is highly abused always. I think someone ought to make gundealer get autodemoted if he shoots someone.

Prejudism, definatley a decent snack for bad roleplayers/elitists who needs the script roleplaying for them. For fuck's sake, stop blaming the script for how you're poorly organized/uncreative. A good roleplayer should be able to roleplay with nothing but pen/paper, but most spoiled brats who hasn't been part of the roleplaying evolution will never really understand that. I learned from the best, starting off DnD-style, moving from there. It's like comparing Gene Kelly to Will Smith, you're all self-delusional jackasses...

[QUOTE=Falchion;21963221]Gun dealer class is highly abused always. I think someone ought to make gundealer get autodemoted if he shoots someone.[/QUOTE] Sadly that's impossible. I've learned one thing as a gundealer. Your automatically a moving target for the mob ,and thiefs. I usually put up a policy on a text screen saying, "Step pass the line ,and find the afterlife" No one will generally step pass the line assep for idiot 12yr olds who rage rdm ,but I keep selling the guns I have as a civilian so I can show I'm the better man.

know any good rp servers? dark rp is good sometimes dont know why everyone goes OMG TTEHAT IS MINGE GAMEMOD GUNS R BAD RDM RAGE NLR RDMMM RDM RDM MING RDM RANDOM!!11111ONE!!

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;22020691]Sadly that's impossible. I've learned one thing as a gundealer. Your automatically a moving target for the mob ,and thiefs. I usually put up a policy on a text screen saying, "Step pass the line ,and find the afterlife" No one will generally step pass the line assep for idiot 12yr olds who rage rdm ,but I keep selling the guns I have as a civilian so I can show I'm the better man.[/QUOTE] Finally a use for shitty guard class? Also thief is not a default class so ofcourse it fails as most "custom content". Yeah the mob might rob you but just keep your doors locked.

Reason why I never enter a server where I can't use adv_duplicator... Majority of a time I set up a trip mine after I have a decent food storage of about 10-20 chinese food boxes. Basically... They killed me? Oh go right ahead Mr. Moboss take your men of four into a tripmine with almost 1000 blast rad ,and 125 damage just too assure your asses are grass. If anything my main issue with Dark RP is as said... -Cops are very "naked" in the sense of weapon/armor. The cops should be a fucking tank force. Not some one bullet from pistol dead man squad. -The mayor is a very limited job. It needs more functions such as being able to lockdown the gun-market/gun-spawning during a lockdown to stop idiots. -Mobboss? Gangsters? Come the fuck on... Just add organizations ,and remove those useless classes. -Being a gun-dealer should be a mass-investment. I believe their should be a license/scroll system which allows purchase of a 7 day allowance to sell/buy weapons. After that you can't. -Inventory. Nuff' Said. -Someone needs to make something different from Industrial NYC/Buffalo town. We need a map based on realistic town/realistic shops. -Servers should have realistic guns. I highly doubt you could get automatics from the street ,and even if you did you would need too constantly be reworking that damn thing cause it would break every second of the day. -After death their should be a system which makes it so you can't demote someone for one minute.

I'd agree with you Joe, but as some people pointed out in my own topic, as well as in other ones, it is not the Script with is "bad" as such. It is the owners of servers who cannot be arsed with doing anything with the script so that it might be better suited. All the things you mentioned could be changed by an ambitious scripter. However the majority of DarkRP servers are not lead by ambitious people it seems and most of them are stuck with either "Basic" or "A bit more than Basic" versions of DarkRP scripts on their servers. We could say of course that somebody could script it for everybody, who knows? Maybe somebody is secretly toiling away and suddenly a free and openly avaible Awesome Script will appear? I know that statement feels like dripping with sarcasm, but I cannot put it differently, somewhat.

Quite simply, it's too easy to get a gun. Remove all ready forms of weaponry(including fist sweps and classes that SPAWN with guns), and a lot of the problems with DarkRP tend to vanish.

Well that or guns should be difficult to use, there to fill a purpose but making them really difficult to use in any "sustained" manner. Example, guns being impossible to aim unless in ironsight, and even then have a lot of recoil and be imprecise. (they are not imprecise in real life but the operator usually is, stressed, exhausted, panicked, etc... On my side of the globe civilians mostly have access to hunting rifles, small pistols and revolvers, and concealed carry is forbidden. On the other side, police officiers usually carry around tazers, and a service pistol, only special forces and money conveyers carry shotgun and submachineguns/assault rifles. I have no doubts that a number of illegal automatic weapons circulate anyway but it isn't something you will see some drug dealer wave around on the street. It would be excedingly itneresting to add to an rp gamemode an investigation system that allow you to get various clues and informations from weapons and bodies left after a crime. It shouldn't be the focus but offer an interesting twist where keeping a weapon that was used for a crime would be a serious liability.

Your all wrong, DarkRP gets boring because theirs nothing passive you can do so people rdm or build.

Its not serious. How is "OMGOMGOMG LET MA BEE MINGECOP TROLOLOL1!1!1!ONE1!" "roleplay"? DarkRP's name is just lame, its not roleplay, they should have gonne for DarkRDM. Its all about cops arresting the mayor, gangs shooting randomly and chefs going on a rampage. Personally, I think the only RP worth it is serious RP, be that HL2RP or STALKER RP. But DarkRP IS infact the mingey gamemode everyone thinks it is, and we would be better off without it.

[QUOTE=AlienCreature;22059971]Its not serious. How is "OMGOMGOMG LET MA BEE MINGECOP TROLOLOL1!1!1!ONE1!" "roleplay"? DarkRP's name is just lame, its not roleplay, they should have gonne for DarkRDM. Its all about cops arresting the mayor, gangs shooting randomly and chefs going on a rampage. Personally, I think the only RP worth it is serious RP, be that HL2RP or STALKER RP. But DarkRP IS infact the mingey gamemode everyone thinks it is, and we would be better off without it.[/QUOTE] You are wrong. The players make a server serious, not the script. Though, 99% of the DarkRP servers that claim to be serious really aren't.

Well, the script helps A LOT when it comes to enforcing seriousness. Don't get me wrong, I am one of those that believe that you can RP even with Sandbox, but it is a lot easier to just have a nice gamemode with the proper level of realism. DarkRp just doesn't work.

Let's all come to the conclusion that darkrp sucks.

[QUOTE=COMboy112;22069255]Let's all come to the conclusion that darkrp sucks.[/QUOTE] Lets all come to the conclusion that elitism sucks.

^This. How many times does this question have to be answered before everyone is satisfied? In short, the answer is: [B]The players.[/B] The script itself is fine, although it's way too easy to get guns & deathmatch.

^ This (I'm not elitist btw)

[QUOTE=COMboy112;22069255]Let's all come to the conclusion that darkrp sucks.[/QUOTE] Aggreed.

[QUOTE=AlienCreature;22079665]Aggreed.[/QUOTE] DarkRP doesn't suck - the players do.

Pretty much everything.

Okay, lets look at the perfect DarkRP: Cop, mayor, citizen - Those should be the only classes, we do not need people metagaming jobs. No automatic weaponry - Seriously, this is not WarRP. Expensive handguns/shotguns/hunting rifles - Those as the only weapons, should also be pretty expensive, not something that you have on you at all times. Police should be normally stronger than the criminals - While should not be true in all cases, police should be able to take care of the criminals, not be dominated by them. Re-worked GUI - No comment. Inventory system - No comment. NPCs that can be interacted with - To pick up a job, buy something or gain information, NPCs can add a touch of flavor to roleplay. Trading - So players don't try to scam as much. Less money orientation - Money should not be your life goal. You should have other things to do, that do not involve gaining money. A proper map - Evocity, townsend, whatever just not downtown. No toolgun - Players should be roleplaying, not coding E2 or making auto-selling robots. Limited physgun & freeze removed - Why do we need it? You cannot freeze stuff IRL and even in-game you don't need to. Place the fridge next to the wall, the desk onto the floor and your done. Arrest limits - You can only arrest X players every X minutes. Stamina - You cannot run forever. You get tired, you cannot just sprint until the end of time. No starting weapons - This includes fists, people only use them to punch random people and destroy glass. Strict rules - No randomly running around with gravity gun, no standing on poles and so on, it breaks the experience when people do such stuff. Only mayor can start demotion votes - End of story, no more kill - demote. Standard Speed vehicles - On maps like evocity, vehicles are needed, not only do they make it more enjoyable, realistic they also make travelling less annoying. But all servers that have attempted this have some sort of 900 Kph speed racing car that rams everything and never stops. Forced first and second name - Most serious scripts like tacoscript have this, it forces you to chose a first and last name. Animations and voice sounds - Add to the quality of roleplay when used correctly. And more which i do not have time to list. I want to make DarkRP more serious and less money and gun based.

[QUOTE=rimlanin;22086352]Okay, lets look at the perfect DarkRP: Cop, mayor, citizen - Those should be the only classes, we do not need people metagaming jobs. No automatic weaponry - Seriously, this is not WarRP. Expensive handguns/shotguns/hunting rifles - Those as the only weapons, should also be pretty expensive, not something that you have on you at all times. Police should be normally stronger than the criminals - While should not be true in all cases, police should be able to take care of the criminals, not be dominated by them. Re-worked GUI - No comment. Inventory system - No comment. NPCs that can be interacted with - To pick up a job, buy something or gain information, NPCs can add a touch of flavor to roleplay. Trading - So players don't try to scam as much. Less money orientation - Money should not be your life goal. You should have other things to do, that do not involve gaining money. A proper map - Evocity, townsend, whatever just not downtown. No toolgun - Players should be roleplaying, not coding E2 or making auto-selling robots. Limited physgun & freeze removed - Why do we need it? You cannot freeze stuff IRL and even in-game you don't need to. Place the fridge next to the wall, the desk onto the floor and your done. Arrest limits - You can only arrest X players every X minutes. Stamina - You cannot run forever. You get tired, you cannot just sprint until the end of time. No starting weapons - This includes fists, people only use them to punch random people and destroy glass. Strict rules - No randomly running around with gravity gun, no standing on poles and so on, it breaks the experience when people do such stuff. Only mayor can start demotion votes - End of story, no more kill - demote. Standard Speed vehicles - On maps like evocity, vehicles are needed, not only do they make it more enjoyable, realistic they also make travelling less annoying. But all servers that have attempted this have some sort of 900 Kph speed racing car that rams everything and never stops. Forced first and second name - Most serious scripts like tacoscript have this, it forces you to chose a first and last name. Animations and voice sounds - Add to the quality of roleplay when used correctly. And more which i do not have time to list. I want to make DarkRP more serious and less money and gun based.[/QUOTE] I disagree on the forced First and last name, I really don't like that. Also particular on the no automatic weapons, criminals use automatic weapons like an UZI and or an AK. Fists need to stay, I mean, everyone can punch something. Everything else is ok

[QUOTE=Falchion;21963221]Gun dealer class is highly abused always. I think someone ought to make gundealer get autodemoted if he shoots someone.[/QUOTE] Then you get people trying to provoke the gun dealers, so they can get the dealer demoted and steal their job. Also, what about self defense?

People are retarded darkrp is fine, its the players.

[QUOTE=COMboy112;22086893]I disagree on the forced First and last name, I really don't like that. Also particular on the no automatic weapons, criminals use automatic weapons like an UZI and or an AK. Fists need to stay, I mean, everyone can punch something. Everything else is ok[/QUOTE] Yes, but first and last name make it sort of...more fun than seeing somebody who's name is "DICKHEADPWNZOR1337COOLYAY!". AK-47s and UZIs make criminals superior to the Police, which does not make sense. Also when have you last seen somebody running around and punching all of the glass he sees?

^ Yeah, but criminals actually DO get AKs and UZIs IRL, maybe they could be super expensive and only come in shipments? and truth be told I've never seen anyone punch all the glass they seen, but rather punch whore, maybe add some melee weapons (Base ball bat, Knife, etc.) to counter act?

Yes they do but it's a roleplay server, not reality, there has to be a balance that is more geared around what is most enjoyable for everyone, rather than what is realistic.

For a change, I suggest upgrading some police firepower. At least give them something better than a damn glock, maybe a mac10 (extraordinarily hard to aim)

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;22121671]For a change, I suggest upgrading some police firepower. At least give them something better than a damn glock, maybe a mac10 (extraordinarily hard to aim)[/QUOTE] Cops don't have Mac-10s IRL. Give them a fiveseven instead, which is something they would actually carry.