Post Your Current WIP V.3!: Tutorials, Tools and Model Packs Galore (GM13 googogogo) - Garry's Mod

Some airship I made. Stays in the air with balloons and weight adjustment with delta equations. Though it still is unstable as hell. But that's the whole fun of it. Still flyable :P [video=youtube;-sI1M0GwXEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sI1M0GwXEA[/video]

I love that kind of stuff.

[QUOTE=Labrasones;39233135]How about this. If people start uploading broken versions of your tools, fine, tell them to take it down. But at least fucking tell us if you're working on it, or what you're doing, or SOMETHING. The tool is in limbo right now because no one knows whether to start working on a new one, or just wait for wenli to mysteriously come back with the tool. I don't mind him wanting to be the one to bring it back, but you can't just disappear like this and prevent people from posting something that is under public license. And it's fine if you don't agree. But this is my view. And until I see a recent post from wenli on the topic, it will remain my opinion. EDIT: Anger got the better of me a little bit here. I could have said this better, and in a more neutral tone. So I shall try again. [B]I believe that Wenli owes us some explanation as to the status of the tool.[/B] After all, it is an open source project, and, strictly speaking, he can't stop us from posting modified versions of it. He can only request it. I support him in his desire to be the one responsible for the updated version, and I think he has a right to it. However, important tools and programs like this become abandon-ware, and are taken up by the community that supports it. I think it's representative of the importance of this tool that it only took a few weeks for people to start to support it on there own. Possibly they where over-zealous in their support (they could have waited for Wenli to announce something). However, I think it is pretty clear by this point that Wenli is gone. He may yet return and release an official update. Until that happens though, I say this tool can officially be considered abandoned, and as it was, and still is, under a public license, it is free game for all. (All this is, of course, assuming that Wenli used the free account type of SourceForge originally. Which explicitly states that all software released through it is open source) I will repeat this again. This is my OPINION. Share it if you will, disagree if you will.[/QUOTE] Wenli owes you absolutely fucking nothing you self-entitled motherfucker.

[QUOTE=EvacX;39241892]Wenli owes you absolutely fucking nothing you self-entitled motherfucker.[/QUOTE] look kids we learned something today :eng101:

[QUOTE=EvacX;39241892]Wenli owes you absolutely fucking nothing you self-entitled motherfucker.[/QUOTE] Please, be more specific in your disagreement, why does Wenli owe me nothing in your opinion?. Arguments can only be settled through reasonable debate. The automatic nay-saying of the other party does not get us anywhere. I believe you may have misunderstood the paragraph (it's possible English isn't your first language). So I shall make this very clear. I have backed up my belief that Wenli owes us an explanation with the sentence directly following the one you have highlighted with bold text. I don't feel entitled to the explanation, I feel he owes it, as he is currently breaking the terms of the contract which he himself released the project under. If you still don't fully understand the point, here it is in even simpler terms: Wenli can not tell us to take down our uploads of his tool without some sort of an explanation. And as he has requested we take down the updated tools, he owes us that explanation. Understand? I hope so. I'm not expecting an explanation because I want one. I'm expecting one because he is obligated to produce one. EDIT: I shall now go make something in gmod to post here as this is a WIP thread, not a bitch about Wenli thread. I shall be back in but a moment! I'm not what you'd call an artist, but here is the tank I've made so far. Still working on the body, but it is stable up to it's max speed of 40 MPH, can turn at a stand still and is manoeuvrable enough to flip itself at high speeds. The part I'm most proud of is the coding for the control. It uses a single 3.2L flat 4 and 3 gearboxes (One for gearing (6 speed) and two transfer cases for steering). All I have to use is WASD, it automatically controls all three gearboxes to turn, reverse, an shift gears on it's own. The body, is quite obviously barely even started, but then I'm posting this to get this thread back on topic. [quote][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mz38J.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I don't think condescending him in such a harsh way is necessary. If you speak to everyone in this manner you are bound to receive an equally rude response. On the other hand, I will hopefully be posting more content once my pc get fixed. :)

Wenli doesn't owe anyone anything, that much is for sure. Devs can start and stop projects whenever the hell they want as long as they aren't contractually obligated to continue the project. Since what Wenli was doing wa being done for no profit, he's more than allowed to drop it at any point and not say a word. Granted, it would have been nice to hear from him about it, but we shouldn't be angry that we didn't. On the other hand, I think it's a litte ridiculous that Wenli was so agressive in shutting down the hotfixed versions of Precision Alignment. I can understand that he might not have wanted partially fixed versions of his tool floating around, but he [I]did[/I] release it under the GPLv3, so I'm not so sure he was in the right shutting it down the way he did.

So since this thread is apparently very lacking in content after that precision alignment stuff, here's some emergency content. Worked on my car a bit, now with less texture so you can see exactly where I fucked it all up :D The hood is particularly rough at the moment [img_thumb]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/919000382382498391/52D18923592C081767C97C33CE7A97EEFCF5995A/[/img_thumb] Did some more work on interior, starting to shape up. [img_thumb]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/919000382382500928/D290FE8470959036F65E0B44F05AD13A8EFFFE51/[/img_thumb] Also, updated sprops today. Vroom Vroom mother fuckers [img_thumb]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/919000382382503903/6884EF3E13F34F8A5C118A4AEEE162786823698B/[/img_thumb] Ignore the god awful seat.

It looks kind of odd for the hood to slope down that much.

[QUOTE=lintz;39247638]It looks kind of odd for the hood to slope down that much.[/QUOTE] That was the product of several reshapings, when i get around to it i'll make the front point higher to shallow out the slope.

[QUOTE=Labrasones;39245494]I feel he owes it, as he is currently breaking the terms of the contract which he himself released the project under[/QUOTE] What contract? Wenli never signed anything saying "I will update this tool until the day I die" or any bullshit like that, he has no obligation whatsoever to even keep PA up for download online - he made it in his own time and released it on the internet for free, if anything you owe [I]him[/I] a little respect and patience for even bothering to do you the favour of making such a fantastic tool.

[QUOTE=Falcqn;39247835]What contract?[/QUOTE] Contract was not the right word for that sentence. License agreement is better. Although, you could still consider it a contract as he did agree to Source Forge's EULA when he originally posted it. __________________________________________________ Apparently, after reading a few more of these posts, I feel I have not yet made myself clear, so yet again, I will try and simplify this. (Read very slowly for full understanding) I do not think Wenli is obligated to tell us when he has sopped working, or if he is still working on it. However, under the license agreement, he is not allowed to stop us from posting modified versions of his tool. And as this is exactly what Wenli has done, it is up to him to explain why he has breached the terms of the licence agreement he agreed to when he posted his tool. It would, on the other hand, be nice if he did update us as to what he is up to. This has nothing to do with respect. It has nothing to do with what kind of a person he is. It is not even about the greatness of the tool he made. It's no longer about whether we should be allowed to post it either. [I]This[/I] is what this is now about: [B]You can not break the terms of your licence agreement unless you have a damn good reason. And you better share that damn good reason[/b] Update with new wording: Wenli doesn't owe us an explanation for why he stooped working on it. He owes us an explanation for why he won't let anyone else work on it. Since that's the breach of his license agreement. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Sorry about the continued lack of content, but like I said, I'm not much of an artist. All my good work is E2 coding which is hard to show in a picture. Also, in an effort to restrain myself from degrading into petty name calling and childish swearing, I will not be responding on this topic again. I feel I have made myself sufficiently clear enough.

[QUOTE=Labrasones;39248138]Contract was not the right word for that sentence. License agreement is better. Although, you could still consider it a contract as he did agree to Source Forge's EULA when he originally posted it. __________________________________________________ Apparently, after reading a few more of these posts, I feel I have not yet made myself clear, so yet again, I will try and simplify this. (Read very slowly for full understanding) I do not think Wenli is obligated to tell us when he has sopped working, or if he is still working on it. However, under the license agreement, he is not allowed to stop us from posting modified versions of his tool. And as this is exactly what Wenli has done, it is up to him to explain why he has breached the terms of the licence agreement he agreed to when he posted his tool. It would, on the other hand, be nice if he did update us as to what he is up to. This has nothing to do with respect. It has nothing to do with what kind of a person he is. It is not even about the greatness of the tool he made. It's no longer about whether we should be allowed to post it either. [I]This[/I] is what this is now about: [B]You can not break the terms of your licence agreement unless you have a damn good reason. And you better share that damn good reason[/b] ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Sorry about the continued lack of content, but like I said, I'm not much of an artist. All my good work is E2 coding which is hard to show in a picture. Also, in an effort to restrain myself from degrading into petty name calling and childish swearing, I will not be responding on this topic again. I feel I have made myself sufficiently clear enough.[/QUOTE] You are sounding like a hypocrite. You said a few posts before that he was obligated to tell us why he stopped. Now you are saying its up to him? And he does not have to share a god damn word to you or anybody for that matter. He may have stopped because people bitched to him about the tool. And honestly, no one cares if you are a good coder or builder. And no one is worried about you lacking content or "artistic" ability.

Please stop this now. We don't need another million pages of shit. :suicide: Anyone remember a game called Crimson Skies? [IMG]http://www.zteamproductions.com/crimson/CoastlineLarge.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.zteamproductions.com/crimson/CentralParkLarge.jpg[/IMG] Thinking about making an aircraft with a weird configuration such as some of the planes in Crimson Skies. And maybe a big Zepplin :P

[QUOTE=Labrasones;39245494]Please, be more specific in your disagreement, why does Wenli owe me nothing in your opinion?. Arguments can only be settled through reasonable debate. The automatic nay-saying of the other party does not get us anywhere. I believe you may have misunderstood the paragraph (it's possible English isn't your first language). So I shall make this very clear. I have backed up my belief that Wenli owes us an explanation with the sentence directly following the one you have highlighted with bold text. I don't feel entitled to the explanation, I feel he owes it, as he is currently breaking the terms of the contract which he himself released the project under. If you still don't fully understand the point, here it is in even simpler terms: Wenli can not tell us to take down our uploads of his tool without some sort of an explanation. And as he has requested we take down the updated tools, he owes us that explanation. Understand? I hope so. I'm not expecting an explanation because I want one. I'm expecting one because he is obligated to produce one.[/QUOTE] Wenli has already told people they can release their unofficial fixed versions of PA, that isn't the argument. I just got pissed at you thinking you are entitled to anything at all from a guy who voluntarily made a great tool which revolutionized building for many and who did it for free. He isn't obligated to do shit.

[IMG]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/558712412211485761/77A71F354ADA94543A631EC29D62D6CC90B72BB1/[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/558712412211486395/979D669E528F5C7AF9B0E261234A9588E71DB061/[/IMG] tank that i made days ago :S

I would not be surprised if Wenli did give up on PA. Why support something for the benefit of a 'community' of fucking idiots that turn on you after a week, despite all you have done for them (and not just his tools, he implemented a fuck ton of the most commonly used E2 functions as well). He even warned that he wouldn't be updating his tools if people continued uploading them to the workshop. What happened? Morons kept uploading. Who gets the hate? Wenli. Who warned you? Wenli. Who's fault is it? Yours. Can we please stop threadshitting now?

[QUOTE=acooper;39248944]Thinking about making an aircraft with a weird configuration such as some of the planes in Crimson Skies. And maybe a big Zepplin :P[/QUOTE] Please do, this thread needs more non car/tank contraptions. [QUOTE=hella pat;39250675]He even warned that he wouldn't be updating his tools if people continued uploading them to the workshop.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/NcWx3.jpg[/img]

I feel like a bad person. [editline]edit[/editline] Also Karb wanted to share his 2 cents. [img]http://i.imgur.com/IWWjV.png[/img] [editline]edit[/editline] And back on topic, [QUOTE=idontcare67;39247518] [img_thumb]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/919000382382500928/D290FE8470959036F65E0B44F05AD13A8EFFFE51/[/img_thumb] [/QUOTE] That interior is quite nice.

[QUOTE=acooper;39248944]Please stop this now. We don't need another million pages of shit. :suicide: Anyone remember a game called Crimson Skies? Thinking about making an aircraft with a weird configuration such as some of the planes in Crimson Skies. And maybe a big Zepplin :P[/QUOTE] YESYESYES oh god yes I love that game. Now that I think about it, I made a lot of Crimson Skies stuff a year or two ago. I have improved a lot compared to then in my opinion. Pandora: [IMG]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576664839876373833/72E01AE7B2D84114B4D61BAD6160364944C06913/[/IMG] Brigand: [IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/577791198380171177/0AC6F54FBF27B49E1C519A5E58C9ECEAE5369072/[/IMG] Devastator:[IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/578932219542953269/292E863108344F19A538C28B2E76E66403893EA4/[/IMG]

:o That devastator is amazing. And the zeppelin is awesome. I see you made it really big like the original one. I don't think I will be doing an exact replica. But take some of the ideas from Crimson Skies aircraft.

[QUOTE=MrWhite;39251911][img]http://i.imgur.com/IWWjV.png[/img] [/QUOTE] (To Karbine) How fucking daft are you? Know you nothing about why Wenli isn't fixing the tool? He is BUSY with OTHER THINGS. He doesn't have any time left for Garry's Mod, THAT is why he isn't updating it. What other people say on behalf of Wenli has absolutely fucking nothing to do with what Wenli has ACTUALLY said. He told everyone that they can release their fixes and whatnot WEEKS ago, he is NOT bitching about anything. It's some weird fucking shit you guys have made yourself believe. I bet you Wenli doesn't even know of this stupid fucking argument. And even if he wasn't fixing it because others disregarded his (non-existent) requests for others not to mess with his fucking tool HE CAN DAMN WELL CHOOSE NOT TO FIX IT. He made a fucking awesome tool that helped a shit load of people, and all you do is throw fucking shit and cheap curse words in his face? You are pathetic and you should feel ashamed.

Oh boy shit's hitting the fan now guys um, erm, DEPLOYING EMERGENCY CONTENT! [img]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/920126282321633770/4B784D00578E93F99AFE7E20984071AB0AF33A59/[/img] ...well shit.

I'd just like to know where Wenli said that we were allowed to fix his tools as he was busy, considering all I was told was totally different (like Karbs story).

And knowing Wenli he has a certain standard of doing things, and he won't be happy about 300 badly updated versions.

Gentlemen. Please. This subject is nearly old as Gmod 13. There are bunch of other threads where that was explained. Wenil, like many other creators has some ambitions. We all have ambitions and none of us would like to have our favorite project overtaken. It's kinda selfish but everybody has that. It's also a truth that PA is one of most important tools for us, builders, and it was Wenils mistake to forbid us to fix it. But he corrected that mistake and he agreed that there can be at least one fixed version. We don't need to take that word seriously because we are in the internet. He will eventually release his oficial version and then, I'm pretty sure that badly/quickly made fixes will be forgoten. Please, drop that stupid subject. This topic is for showing things that we build, not to whine at each other.

Does anybody know any really good tutorials that involve a thorough guide to making planes using control surfaces and fins. Because I'm tired of building things and not being able to make them work. Thanks

Not sure if SWEP Construction Kit builds are welcome here but [Img]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/576726810718630595/29432A80957F73DF053D749EA99E7A857916C513/[/Img] Behold, the Assault Knife! Has everything an illegal Assault Weapon needs -Pistol Grip -Forward Grip -Bayonet lug (since it's just a fucking Knife) -I plan on adding a scope or some shit to make it look extra T4ct1c00l -I plan on adding some form of adjustable stock. I've been thinking about using a stock such as this: [url]http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/smg/smg26/sa61-1.jpg[/url] Although, I'm not sure whether to call the stock an adjustable stock, the shoulder thing that goes up, or a barrel shroud.

[QUOTE=Kebab;39257369]Does anybody know any really good tutorials that involve a thorough guide to making planes using control surfaces and fins. Because I'm tired of building things and not being able to make them work. Thanks[/QUOTE] Right click axis control surface, hydraulics to actuate.

Judging by the disagree ratings on my last post I guess those kinds of builds arent welcome. Sorry.