[QUOTE=hexpunK;17300745]It's a cheap and dirty tactic I know, I'll go copy it out so this can continue :v:
[b]EDIT: [/b]
1) "So liking a gamemode invalidates opinions now? Okay, yours is too I guess."
2) "This isn't a debate though, this is a group of butthurt GMT fanboys crying over the fact a gamemode is using something similar to them."
3) "They know their lobby and smaller activities are similar to GMT, are you blind or stupid? And this server does do something origional, TOWER DEFENSE, the lobby is merely a way to organize players, you are only meant to be there when waiting for others, or waiting for servers to free up. So adding somethnig "3p1c l33t" to the lobby is pointless, you'd know this if you actually tried it."
4) "Please shut up now, you are looking thicker and thicker by the post, this idea has been around (as in open) for a small time longer than GMT, the ideas that they have in common are minimal and do not represent the server, now stop being butthurt, and accept your stupidity. GMT didn't think of half of their ideas first (or at least implement them first), everything they use is based on someone elses idea (Theater = YouTube player, Flash games = 3D2D Interfaces (web browsers), Connecting to other servers from a master = Sassilization). The only truly unique thing they have is their Suite system."
Done and done.[/QUOTE]
1) No, but it shows his idea of a "intelligent" opinion is biased because he's in favor of this gamemode.
2) This is a debate, you have the view that their content is all legit, and I think a lot of the ideas were stolen from GMod Tower (and the devs refuse to admit this). A theater, suite, and tetris all in a lobby (and once again, I understand the lobby) seem more than "similar".
3) Show me a post where they admit their content was inspired by GMod Tower. Sure, the Tower Defense is original, but I'm mainly focusing on the lobby here. They don't need something "epic l33t", but they sure could use an original idea.
4) Like I said, a lot is in common. Suites, theater, tetris, all in a lobby. Isn't it a little more than coincidental that after GMod Tower implements a YouTube player, 3D2D interfaces, and a suite system that a gamemode released shortly after it has all these same features?
-snip- due to troll message that have been corrected.
[QUOTE=Owner3;17300824]but I'm mainly focusing on the lobby here.[/QUOTE]
Thats the main problem, you are focusing on the lobby. That is not the primary function of the gamemode. As I said earlier, the lobby is merely a place to hang around in after a game, the features there are meant to be fairly basic and entertain you for a bit, whereas GMT's are much more refined, as they are one of the primary aspects of the gamemode (though I have no idea why you are adding a suite system, a trophy room or something would be more applicable).
[QUOTE=hexpunK;17301107]Thats the main problem, you are focusing on the lobby. That is not the primary function of the gamemode. As I said earlier, the lobby is merely a place to hang around in after a game, the features there are meant to be fairly basic and entertain you for a bit, whereas GMT's are much more refined, as they are one of the primary aspects of the gamemode (though I have no idea why you are adding a suite system, a trophy room or something would be more applicable).[/QUOTE]
I understand this, but my main point is the TYE team took ideas from the GMod Tower lobby and integrated them into their own lobby, while still refusing to admit it and covering it up with "the idea has been out there for awhile gmt just implemented it first!!!!".
[QUOTE=Owner3;17301141]I understand this, but my main point is the TYE team took ideas from the GMod Tower lobby and integrated them into their own lobby, while still refusing to admit it and covering it up with "the idea has been out there for awhile gmt just implemented it first!!!!".[/QUOTE]
I think we're going to go in circles from this point :v: Anyway. The ideas may have been around for a while, GMT may have implemented it first, but that doesn't mean it is stealing, so they aren't covering anything up, they are just telling it like it is. As I said, unless they have taken the code directly from GMT, there is no way in hell this is stealing, it's like the loophole in patents, you may patent your idea, but if someone can do it in a different way, then they have the right to use the idea. The only way this can be considered stealing is if the GMT team have copyrighted EVERYTHING they have done, which just can't be done as this is a Lua based gamemode, not a entirely new game. (Other than Creative Commons, and Intellectual property laws, but I don't think this breaks them)
Ok, you know what, fuck it. I'll strip EVERYTHING out of the lobby, so it's just a square room with dev textures and the server screens and that's it. You'll have to just stand there and do absolutely fuck all whilst waiting for a game. Then we'll compare player counts with the lobby in it's current state and see which one keeps players playing on one of our servers the longest. The point is, these additions to the lobby are what they say on the tin - additions. They serve only to keep people occupied while waiting, and they work. We did not decided to implement them as a competitor to GMT or indeed any other gamemode with similiar ideas, we decided to implement them for simply the purpose of keeping players ingame. Who the fuck cares where the idea came from? If it stops you guys (not you hexpunK) from kicking up a fuss every time the word youtube or tetris ends up in the same sentence as gmod and gamemode, then I'll list the basic ideas below and where the inspiration/idea came from.
[b]Tower Defense[/b] - Me and bekka discussing tower defense flash games over steam chat
[b]Lobby System[/b] - Inspiration from sassilization
[b]Youtube Cinema[/b] - Insipiration from the serverside youtube player thingy that was on gmod.org
[b]Tetris and other Minigames[/b] - Wern't actually made by me, but afaik, inspiration from GMT. ([i]OMG WTF HAX[/i])
[b]Apartments (aka suites)[/b] - Part inspiration from iRzilla's previous suite system, part inspiration from GMT, part inspiration from Mahalis' Magic Box (For the concept of how it would work)
There. Now will you stop shitting up this thread and actually talk about the game itself, as that is the focus of this thread. I believe the last relevant post was something about the fast zombie boss being overpowered - the next update will aim to balance out the zombies and towers as well as fix a few small issues with target selection in terms of the tower mechanics.
Guys SHUT THE FUCK UP. Having grease do something about the trolls doesn't help if the rest of you keep the discussion going
EDIT: I dare one of you to continue the conversation, see what happens
EDIT 2: Lol the person who rated Dumb must be scared
[QUOTE=thomasfn;17302988]
[b]Lobby System[/b] - Inspiration from sassilization
[/QUOTE]
I was going to say, when looking at your map it reminded me more of Sass rather than GMT.
Any RTS-like game is better off with a lobby so that all the players connect to the game at the same time otherwise half way through a game someone else would join and be at a disadvantage.
I am not a fan of TD games they're just not my thing but the lobby pictures look pretty nice might at least check that out sometime.
[QUOTE=Owner3;17301141]I understand this, but my main point is the TYE team took ideas from the GMod Tower lobby and integrated them into their own lobby, while still refusing to admit it and covering it up with "the idea has been out there for awhile gmt just implemented it first!!!!".[/QUOTE]
I acknowledge the fact that these things were done by GMT. Tetris did come from them. But I didn't like the way they made it, so I remade it to fit my tastes. They can go to GMT if they prefer to watch somebodies Tetris game, but the delay got on my nerves, so I decided to do otherwise.
On the topic of 3d2d interfaces, it would be much more annoying to have a large Derma window covering up your screen.
If you're quite finished, I hope we can settle this. I've had enough bickering for today.
[QUOTE=Owner3;17301141]I understand this, but my main point is the TYE team took ideas from the GMod Tower lobby and integrated them into their own lobby, while still refusing to admit it and covering it up with "the idea has been out there for awhile gmt just implemented it first!!!!".[/QUOTE]
This is coming from a guy who isn't in the developer team, you have no right to say this.
[QUOTE=thomasfn;17302988]Ok, you know what, fuck it. I'll strip EVERYTHING out of the lobby, so it's just a square room with dev textures and the server screens and that's it. You'll have to just stand there and do absolutely fuck all whilst waiting for a game. Then we'll compare player counts with the lobby in it's current state and see which one keeps players playing on one of our servers the longest. The point is, these additions to the lobby are what they say on the tin - additions. They serve only to keep people occupied while waiting, and they work. We did not decided to implement them as a competitor to GMT or indeed any other gamemode with similiar ideas, we decided to implement them for simply the purpose of keeping players ingame. Who the fuck cares where the idea came from? If it stops you guys (not you hexpunK) from kicking up a fuss every time the word youtube or tetris ends up in the same sentence as gmod and gamemode, then I'll list the basic ideas below and where the inspiration/idea came from.
[b]Tower Defense[/b] - Me and bekka discussing tower defense flash games over steam chat
[b]Lobby System[/b] - Inspiration from sassilization
[b]Youtube Cinema[/b] - Insipiration from the serverside youtube player thingy that was on gmod.org
[b]Tetris and other Minigames[/b] - Wern't actually made by me, but afaik, inspiration from GMT. ([i]OMG WTF HAX[/i])
[b]Apartments (aka suites)[/b] - Part inspiration from iRzilla's previous suite system, part inspiration from GMT, part inspiration from Mahalis' Magic Box (For the concept of how it would work)
There. Now will you stop shitting up this thread and actually talk about the game itself, as that is the focus of this thread. I believe the last relevant post was something about the fast zombie boss being overpowered - the next update will aim to balance out the zombies and towers as well as fix a few small issues with target selection in terms of the tower mechanics.[/QUOTE]
Everybody read this. Seriously.
Hey I have an idea! Lets talk about TD instead of GMT. Hmmm, what a novel idea! This is a TD thread after all.
[QUOTE=bekka2712;17320149]This is coming from a guy who isn't in the developer team, you have no right to say this.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? Are you saying just because you're not currently in a development team you have no opinion? I think it's ironic because you're probably the most illiterate, uneducated, and clueless developer I've ever seen.
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[QUOTE=Meiji;17324622]Are you serious? Are you saying just because you're not currently in a development team you have no opinion? I think it's ironic because you're probably the most illiterate, uneducated, and clueless developer I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]
Literacy has nothing to do with developing, in fact it can hurt a developer more than help them in many cases.
Please, contain some relevance in your rebuttal.
[QUOTE=GreyIOutcast;17326749]Literacy has nothing to do with developing, in fact it can hurt a developer more than help them in many cases.
Please, contain some relevance in your rebuttal.[/QUOTE]
durrhurr I failed to see that meiji said uneducated
[QUOTE=iRzilla;17326808]Can you not read the post by greasemonkey? He meant shut the fuck up GMT fan boy.[/QUOTE]
Just stop responding, the derail has gone on long enough. /b/ seems plenty happy to inhabit people who just go on forums for the sake of trolling, so I'm sure his interests will stray in that direction nonetheless.
[QUOTE=iRzilla;17326808]Can you not read the post by greasemonkey? He meant shut the fuck up GMT fan boy.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I guess talking about the developers is the same about talking about GMT. Walla this entire development team is so immature and poorly put together. All of you have the shortest tempers and have horrible logic/common sense. I don't even know how stupid a person has to be to assume that anyone that disagrees with them is either a troll or a "GMT fan boy" Lmfao, keep being a lolcow. Right now you're really making TD look like the biggest joke.
[QUOTE=Meiji;17326864]Oh, I guess talking about the developers is the same about talking about GMT. Walla this entire development team is so immature and poorly put together.[/QUOTE]
did you get that from the doctors talking about you
[quote]You haven't even played it. So how can you rate it?[/quote]
How do you know this? No one is stupid enough to critique something without trying it.
[QUOTE=GreyIOutcast;17326749]Literacy has nothing to do with developing, in fact it can hurt a developer more than help them in many cases.
Please, contain some relevance in your rebuttal.[/QUOTE]
[b]Wat.[/b]
[editline]11:15PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=GreyIOutcast;17326837]Just stop responding, the derail has gone on long enough. /b/ seems plenty happy to inhabit people who just go on forums for the sake of trolling, so I'm sure his interests will stray in that direction nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Let me repost this:
Nowadays, everyone thinks people are trolling and toss the word around everytime they get a chance. It's called a debate.
[editline]11:17PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=iRzilla;17326808]Can you not read the post by greasemonkey? He meant shut the fuck up GMT fan boy.[/QUOTE]
Well gee you sure seem like a nice unbiased fellow with excellent arguments! :downs:
LOL u dont agre wit wut i sai must be gmtfanoi troll faget ololol
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[QUOTE=Meiji;17327805]LOL u dont agre wit wut i sai must be gmtfanoi troll faget ololol[/QUOTE]
Quality post.
[QUOTE=iRzilla;17327545]This troll is..
You seem like another GMT fan boy.[/QUOTE]
quality post
Well to lighten the thread up:
I really like your work Thomas, this is real awesome. Good job :)
Yes! But there is no-one on the server! :(
And I couldn't join any servers after waiting for 30 mins, theatre fails, space invaders is way too damn fast to move.
Space Invaders is epic.
You go way too fast to actually know what you're shooting
Well isnt that the point? I mean if they always go really slow it is no fun! And yes they go a litlle bit fast at level but still..
Well anyway. I think you should 2-3 player mode! So like monsters get only Half or third of their life! Because it sucks to wait until 4 ppl are online! Make it like a timer! If someone didnt join after 1 minute ask if you want start the game anyway or if you want to wait!
[QUOTE=AlfieGroove;17338554]You go way too fast to actually know what you're shooting[/QUOTE]
I could change the speed of the player, easy.
It's just adding to a variable. That game is incredibly simple, if you looked at what I put on it.
Wow calm down guys, don't I see what's worth arguing about.
Anyway, this is a fun gamemode guys, good effort!
professional modeling ya got there
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