Server Authority Prioritisation is annoying, take notes, hosters. - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=Pantho;41061191]Well that's fairly limiting for a theater server, depending on how you define discrimination. What about comedy clips etc.[/QUOTE] Depends on what you mean by "Comedy Clips."

[QUOTE=WinterPhoenix;41061392]Depends on what you mean by "Comedy Clips."[/QUOTE] Obviously I mean clips of extreme prejudice towards gingers. [video=youtube;KVN_0qvuhhw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw[/video]

I think a lot of the time people are starting up servers/communities just because they want power, just a bunch of kids who want to boss everyone around. Then there are kids paying other kids for admin so that [i]they[/i] can boss everyone around. Those are usually servers that aren't around for very long, I think the best thing you can do as a player is to simply not play on servers like that. On my servers I only admin people who are mature and most of the time they don't even care if they're admin or not, pretty much if someone asks to be admin I make a point never to give it to them because it just shows that all they want is the power and that is not who I want to represent my community.

To be honest, it's not just to do with authority, some people have exploited the ability with the file system in lua to steal any content you may be working on, such as a gamemode. This is why I would probably suggest using two different folders for garrysmod and switching between to two when working on your code that you don't want anyone to see, plus probably only joining reputitable communities/servers

HL2RP servers are the worst example of this. Kids who play HL2RP for a while, decide they want to be the boss and then put their own servers up. Its a power sandbox for them.

I'm not sure how I feel and I think your perspective changes a bit if you're in charge of a community. I own a TTT server, I like being friendly and helpful. I regularly ask members for feedback and want them to do them same. Any criticism is welcome to me because you cannot improve if you do not know what's wrong. I mean, we're all gonna make mistakes and no comm is going to be flawless. Like, I genuinely don't understand admins who have rules like 'don't argue with me. I'm admin, I'm always right'. You're an ordinary human being, you can easily miss things and it's always best to look at situations from other perspectives. (Fair play, those [OWNER] chat tags look tacky as fuck) On the other hand, something I've noticed, is that a lot of Garry's Mod players cannot take punishment for rule breaking. Calling people out on their shit is abuse, as is admins actually existing, to some people. There have been so many times where we've slain people for genuine RDM and they'll kick up a fuss and scream admin abuse, despite us calmly explaining and showing logs, etc etc.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;41079641]There have been so many times where we've slain people for genuine RDM and they'll kick up a fuss and scream admin abuse, despite us calmly explaining and showing logs, etc etc.[/QUOTE] That's something trolls commonly do. When people whine after you punish them with good reason, show them proof, etc, they are either tards or trolls.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;41079641]I'm not sure how I feel and I think your perspective changes a bit if you're in charge of a community. I own a TTT server, I like being friendly and helpful. I regularly ask members for feedback and want them to do them same. Any criticism is welcome to me because you cannot improve if you do not know what's wrong. I mean, we're all gonna make mistakes and no comm is going to be flawless. Like, I genuinely don't understand admins who have rules like 'don't argue with me. I'm admin, I'm always right'. You're an ordinary human being, you can easily miss things and it's always best to look at situations from other perspectives. (Fair play, those [OWNER] chat tags look tacky as fuck) On the other hand, something I've noticed, is that a lot of Garry's Mod players cannot take punishment for rule breaking. Calling people out on their shit is abuse, as is admins actually existing, to some people. There have been so many times where we've slain people for genuine RDM and they'll kick up a fuss and scream admin abuse, despite us calmly explaining and showing logs, etc etc.[/QUOTE] The entitled youth of the world today

[QUOTE=Pantho;41061589]Obviously I mean clips of extreme prejudice towards gingers. [video=youtube;KVN_0qvuhhw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw[/video][/QUOTE] Lol. Well, if nobody in the Theater is offended by it, I don't really care, as I'm not going to be "offended for them," so to speak. I just don't want people coming on and being racist or starting miniature flamewars in the theater because they don't like X. I'm not gonna have it.

Here's an idea, the owner logs every single conversation and admin command made, meanwhile the admins are hidden, making them just seem like normal players. This gives the chance for you to spot people who are blatantly there to break rules and mess with players, and gives the sense that "Man, I probably shouldn't do that, even if I think I'll get away with it". Though that's my opinion, but I doubt owners want to look at hours of chat, and can rarely find admins that will keep themselves under wraps so nobody will know if they are an admin or not.

[QUOTE=Pantho;41047330]Within a degree that isn't the right approach. If someone flat out insults you then you should be kicking them, not for disrespecting an admin but for being a twat to a player. Because admins themselves are players. The point is you should treat/be treated the same as any other player and not have to accept hateful insults just because you're an admin. But nor should people have to kiss your arse and pet you softly while you abuse them. Kicking for disrespect is stupid, punishing for overly harsh verbal behavior isn't.[/QUOTE] When I get insulted on Gmod I laugh, because I'm being insulted on Gmod.

All players should be expected to treat each other with equal respect, whether staff or otherwise. If someone mouths off to a staff member while being in the wrong, it should be the same as mouthing off to another player.

[QUOTE=chuck14;41113974]All players should be expected to treat each other with equal respect, whether staff or otherwise. If someone mouths off to a staff member while being in the wrong, it should be the same as mouthing off to another player.[/QUOTE] What if someone treats themselves with little respect? Should they treat others on that same level of respect?

The president is always right.

My personal opinion on this would be that every player (this includes admins as they ARE players...) respects one another. I personally ban for player disrespect my self, if I find a lot of hate inside the chat, I'll always go try to help settle it. Also, I love meeting my players in my server, its not just the owners, or admins, but a lot of the time its players too, and I understand that. If anything, owners/sas/admins/mods/players/whatever should all respect one another and get along. I, at least, give my players the opportunity to apply to become an admin, or get chosen to be trial, or they can become trusted just by acting right, which gives them access to votekick and voteban, so its not just the admins that have power.

[QUOTE=Jeremey Kingrey;41117585]My personal opinion on this would be that every player (this includes admins as they ARE players...) respects one another. I personally ban for player disrespect my self, if I find a lot of hate inside the chat, I'll always go try to help settle it. Also, I love meeting my players in my server, its not just the owners, or admins, but a lot of the time its players too, and I understand that. If anything, owners/sas/admins/mods/players/whatever should all respect one another and get along. I, at least, give my players the opportunity to apply to become an admin, or get chosen to be trial, or they can become trusted just by acting right, which gives them access to votekick and voteban, so its not just the admins that have power.[/QUOTE] I can guarantee your admins are allowed to play the game and when it comes to anything that isn't sandbox. You can't be and admin and be allowed to play the game and possibly do the job correctly. I personally think the "vote..." punishments don't work either because 99% of the time everyone votes yes for the sake of feeling empowered.

frankly i think most admins are just stupidly uptight, you shouldn't ban people unless they're disrupting the game. idle banter, hostile or not is really not that much of a big deal. as an admin you should expect expect to be treated the same as players, you're not magically more important. the one thing server owners should do is simply leave the administration to somebody capable, even better would be to specialize it, tasking admins with different stuff. the hierarchy should be flat, gmod communities are small enough to be handled with just a handful of admins.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;41079641](Fair play, those [OWNER] chat tags look tacky as fuck)[/QUOTE] That's the only thing I disagree with, on my sandbox server if chat tags for [I]every[/I] rank isn't enabled, people walk up to admins/regulars/respecteds/GUESTS even and ask "r u the owner/an admin???" Until I enabled chat tags, that was extremely commonplace. Even if I told them "PRESS TAB AND LOOK PERHAPS?" they were still completely clueless. :v: Some even used the lack of chat tags as an excuse to say "i thot i kuld do it der wer no abmins !!1" when breaking common rules, e.g. prop pushing, spam, etc. I may be missing your point, however.

It's really not that hard to be a good admin. I don't get why servers have such a hard time finding admins who aren't power tripping assholes or just idiots in general. I have a history of administrating servers run by ProfanWolf (Source in particular) all thanks to something some time ago that I doubt either of us remember where I was promoted to admin on the Jailbreak server he used to run. As an admin I only expected the respect I earned, so none really. I fucked about as admin a lot, not particularly lording my abilities over others, but keeping people aware that if they want something doing on the server I can get it sorted. Admittedly I am a fairly strange admin, when I do my job it is quite thorough, it does solve problems, people don't always agree with it, but if that's what has to be done to keep servers playable, so be it. Once we had an issue where there were so many players breaking the rules we used in Jailbreak that I just banned everyone to get rid of the idiots, people who wanted to play just had to request an unban and it would be done because I knew the people who were there to ruin it wouldn't. Not my greatest moment as an admin, but it was the only solution I saw. Really, it's not hard to be a good admin, keeping the server fair for players should be your primary concern, not receiving a rank, not restricting access to things because the player is new. Admins should just blend in with the players, not expect to be treated better than other players, but their decisions should hold slightly more power than a player in the case of action being taken, as the player can protest it, and give the admin team time to work out what is really happening. Finding good admins should just come naturally, no silly application system, no buying the rank, just from seeing how players act on the server, seeing if they are trustworthy. Remember that any damage can be undone quite easily, plus it's a fucking game server, stop taking shit so seriously.

[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;41133577]That's the only thing I disagree with, on my sandbox server if chat tags for [I]every[/I] rank isn't enabled, people walk up to admins/regulars/respecteds/GUESTS even and ask "r u the owner/an admin???" Until I enabled chat tags, that was extremely commonplace. Even if I told them "PRESS TAB AND LOOK PERHAPS?" they were still completely clueless. :v: Some even used the lack of chat tags as an excuse to say "i thot i kuld do it der wer no abmins !!1" when breaking common rules, e.g. prop pushing, spam, etc. I may be missing your point, however.[/QUOTE] the problem is that you have a bunch of fucking ranks. it's ALRIGHT if you tag somebody as "[ADMIN]" when they speak, but all admins should be tagged the same and everyone else should either have no tags or the same one. that's what confuses people, that's what causes arguments.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;41135985]the problem is that you have a bunch of fucking ranks. it's ALRIGHT if you tag somebody as "[ADMIN]" when they speak, but all admins should be tagged the same and everyone else should either have no tags or the same one. that's what confuses people, that's what causes arguments.[/QUOTE] Huh? Where did you get that I have a bunch of ranks? Guest, Regular, Respected, Admin, and Owner. All tagged appropriately. It's just that the average player that comes on are so stupid that they need to have things spelled out for them to know who an admin or owner is.

Just my two cents, but hiding who the admins are is a stupid idea. My aim is to prevent rules being broken, not trying to draw a player into breaking the rules. My server has a respect all player rule, but we don't usually use it unless it is very serious abuse.

[QUOTE=Sidewaykill;41136391]Just my two cents, but hiding who the admins are is a stupid idea. My aim is to prevent rules being broken, not trying to draw a player into breaking the rules. My server has a respect all player rule, but we don't usually use it unless it is very serious abuse.[/QUOTE] Then the players will look for admins and decide to ignore all rules and do whatever they feel like. This is why my server had it so the admins would be disguised unless necessary.

[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;41133577]That's the only thing I disagree with, on my sandbox server if chat tags for [I]every[/I] rank isn't enabled, people walk up to admins/regulars/respecteds/GUESTS even and ask "r u the owner/an admin???" Until I enabled chat tags, that was extremely commonplace. Even if I told them "PRESS TAB AND LOOK PERHAPS?" they were still completely clueless. :v: Some even used the lack of chat tags as an excuse to say "i thot i kuld do it der wer no abmins !!1" when breaking common rules, e.g. prop pushing, spam, etc. I may be missing your point, however.[/QUOTE] Personally, I just don't think they look nice and prefer scoreboard ranks, but I do understand why people use them. Like, I don't really play sandbox, but they probably look better on there, where chat is more relaxed and stuff. I've been on so many TTT servers, where there's load of tags and it just seems to clog up the chatbox a bit, especially if you already have a tag in your username.

[QUOTE=Sidewaykill;41136391]Just my two cents, but hiding who the admins are is a stupid idea. My aim is to prevent rules being broken, not trying to draw a player into breaking the rules. My server has a respect all player rule, but we don't usually use it unless it is very serious abuse.[/QUOTE] Hiding admins isn't entrapment, if someone is going to break rules, they are likely to wait for an admin to not be there, it's safer to have admins invisible so they act naturally, and break rules like they would have done, than have them suck up to admins and possibly gain favour with admins.

When I've tried it, far more rules have been broken when admins are invisible compared to when they are visible. I'm talking about TTT here, but I'm sure it could be more effective (having invisible admins) on other gamemodes.

[QUOTE=Sidewaykill;41145370]When I've tried it, far more rules have been broken when admins are invisible compared to when they are visible. I'm talking about TTT here, but I'm sure it could be more effective (having invisible admins) on other gamemodes.[/QUOTE] That was kinda my point :v: If the admins aren't visible, players will break rules more allowing you to clear the shit out of the server easily.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;41146049]That was kinda my point :v: If the admins aren't visible, players will break rules more allowing you to clear the shit out of the server easily.[/QUOTE] I wish I could clear the shit out. Too bad there is an endless supply of shit.

I used to go undercover and watch how my admins handled situations, if they were fair, followed the guidelines. Fortunately the system we had worked and we didn't have any bad admins because they had learnt well before they got into a position of power.

If you ever have to ban somebody for any reason outside of : -Hacking/Using legitimate lua hacks -DDoS'ing/Threat of DDoS -Prop spamming or similar to crash the server Then you're doing something wrong, probably using subjective reasoning to ban a person.