Tomorrow, 1,500 people are getting banned for using Script Enforcer bypasses. - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=SashaWolf;41362361]It really doesn't. Don't be mistaken, his anticheat didn't "ban all hackers". It only banned people who forced sv_allowcslua to 1, and I think people who ran stuff like winject. Cvar forcing is trivial, which is why so many people decided to do it, despite it being a horrible and easily detectable (by ser'ver owners) method. There are plenty of other ways to allow lua to be ran on the client, and there are plenty of other ways to cheat in the game. All this banwave did was ban all of the kids from hackforums and mpgh who used a really crappy method of cheating, not actual skilled hackers.[/QUOTE] "skilled hackers" My sides.

[QUOTE=SashaWolf;41362361]It really doesn't. Don't be mistaken, his anticheat didn't "ban all hackers". It only banned people who forced sv_allowcslua to 1, and I think people who ran stuff like winject. Cvar forcing is trivial, which is why so many people decided to do it, despite it being a horrible and easily detectable (by ser'ver owners) method. There are plenty of other ways to allow lua to be ran on the client, and there are plenty of other ways to cheat in the game. All this banwave did was ban all of the kids from hackforums and mpgh who used a really crappy method of cheating, not actual skilled hackers.[/QUOTE] Exactly, the good hackers are still on and going at it, as you said it is easily detectable and could have easily been fixed with some sort of active rather than passive anti-cheat globally that would ban that person from that server rather then a massive wipe from every server.

[QUOTE=SashaWolf;41362361]It really doesn't. Don't be mistaken, his anticheat didn't "ban all hackers". It only banned people who forced sv_allowcslua to 1, and I think people who ran stuff like winject. Cvar forcing is trivial, which is why so many people decided to do it, despite it being a horrible and easily detectable (by ser'ver owners) method. There are plenty of other ways to allow lua to be ran on the client, and there are plenty of other ways to cheat in the game. All this banwave did was ban all of the kids from hackforums and mpgh who used a really crappy method of cheating, not actual skilled hackers.[/QUOTE] Not entirely correct, I was banned for using a dll when allowcslua was already 1. I'd never use some shitty bypass to get around that.

[QUOTE=Mrkrabz;41362558]Not entirely correct, I was banned for using a dll when allowcslua was already 1. I'd never use some shitty bypass to get around that.[/QUOTE] What injector did you use, and was whatever you used public?

[QUOTE=SashaWolf;41362777]What injector did you use, and was whatever you used public?[/QUOTE] No injector, I didn't bypass SE or allowcslua. I used cvar3 for host_framerate only on servers that allowed cslua.

[QUOTE=Mrkrabz;41362904]No injector, I didn't bypass SE or allowcslua. I used cvar3 for host_framerate only on servers that allowed cslua.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, I forgot to include cvar3 in that above list. A lot of my friends got banned for that too.

[QUOTE=garry;41344639]My anti-cheat isn't an anti-cheat. It doesn't try to stop you cheating. You can bypass it easily. I don't want to stop you cheating. I want to catch you cheating - so I can ban your account.[/QUOTE] Do you think you could release a official way of turning the bans off server side like some people have done with the .dlls they have released?

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41363975]Do you think you could release a official way of turning the bans off server side like some people have done with the .dlls they have released?[/QUOTE] He already said no.

[QUOTE=Ice Tea;41364030]He already said no.[/QUOTE] People have already started getting past them server side and they are going to continue to, so either he can let them do it or he can release a safe reliable way of doing it rather then making people fend for themselves on it.

[QUOTE=roxi;41348048]You could just do a simple module - [url]http://188.165.203.201/gmsv_GBan_win32.dll[/url] That will allow [B][U]you[/U][/B] to choose who is banned from your server. [code] require("GBan") MsgN(GBan(1)) [/code][/QUOTE] This is awesome. Any chance you could compile it for linux dedicated servers? I have no clue how.

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41364155]People have already started getting past them server side and they are going to continue to, so either he can let them do it or he can release a safe reliable way of doing it rather then making people fend for themselves on it.[/QUOTE] This is garry you're talking about, he'll do what he wants.

[QUOTE=metallics;41365231]This is garry you're talking about, he'll do what he wants.[/QUOTE] Not really any alternatives to it though, it's either one or the other.

I'd just like to say thank you Garry. I caught a user cheating on my server on my own "anti-cheat"... The guy has since been banned and I'm glad hes not ruining the game for others. Thank you for protecting our servers. :dance:

[QUOTE=Th13teen;41367267]I'd just like to say thank you Garry. I caught a user cheating on my server on my own "anti-cheat"... The guy has since been banned and I'm glad hes not ruining the game for others. Thank you for protecting our servers. :dance:[/QUOTE] I can guarantee that mostly all the banned members have alts. If anything, it just makes them purchase more stolen steam accounts.

[QUOTE=Silentfood;41359714]I think this new anti-cheat system is throwing false positives to antivirus definition databases. Hitman Pro finds that client.dll and MenuSystems.dll are classified as: Gen:Trojan.Heur.GM.0000436190. My guess is because it sits and watches the active memory for applications modifying internals, antivirus software assumes it's something along the lines of SpyWare or as defined: a Trojan. It's been recently reported on the [url=http://steamcommunity.com/app/4000/discussions/1/864972620863854173/]Steam Discussion[/url] of Garry's Mod, though [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1267768%E2%80%8E]these reports started early as May[/url]. This could be the time when Garry started sniffing around for cheaters. If you do run Hitman Pro or anything similar that pulls information from F-Secure definition database, make sure you don't quarantine or remove any files from your Garry's Mod folder. Edit: [img]http://puu.sh/3xPV8.png[/img][/QUOTE] On this issue, I've had some trouble with my anti-virus outright removing the dll's without me telling it to. I've not run GMod without said dll's, however I've just whitelisted the directory in my antivirus, so that it downloads. I'm not in some sort of grey-zone for it quarantining those dll's, am I right? Wouldn't want some bad stuff to happen :v:

[QUOTE=faceguydb;41364687]This is awesome. Any chance you could compile it for linux dedicated servers? I have no clue how.[/QUOTE] I can give it a go.

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41365619]Not really any alternatives to it though, it's either one or the other.[/QUOTE] Clearly you don't understand, people have been told you will not get the option. He has said he doesn't want cheaters at all in multiplayer. There is only one way and that is his way by being defiant probably to the point where every server has to be licensed and if you don't comply it will be shut down...

[QUOTE=Effektiv;41367774]Clearly you don't understand, people have been told you will not get the option. He has said he doesn't want cheaters at all in multiplayer. There is only one way and that is his way by being defiant probably to the point where every server has to be licensed and if you don't comply it will be shut down...[/QUOTE] 1) That would be stupid, and you'd have all of the decent servers saying "fuck this shit" when it comes to tight restrictions on what they can and can't do. 2) People are naturally defiant, example, if you tell a kid not to do something, they'll only want to do it more to find out what's wrong with doing that 3) Servers encourage people to interact and play with others, further progressing sales of Gmod. So, WHY would Garry do something so stupid? :v: </rant> Edit: Don't mix this up with "OMG HE CONDONES H4X0RZ"

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what a terrible game to hack in. i mean, really. What's the point?

[QUOTE=Archemyde;41371166]what a terrible game to hack in. i mean, really. What's the point?[/QUOTE] If all you do is build stuff in sandbox servers, then yes hacks are useless. However, if you play things like TTT, prophunt, jailbreak, etc, then you know how useful hacks could be. Garrysmod is, in my opinion, more worthwhile to hack on because of the variety of gamemodes it has.

i cheat because it's fun to make kids mad, not like I'm saying I don't deserve any ban I get. I'm not contesting that.

[QUOTE=Crashdoom;41369242]1) That would be stupid, and you'd have all of the decent servers saying "fuck this shit" when it comes to tight restrictions on what they can and can't do. 2) People are naturally defiant, example, if you tell a kid not to do something, they'll only want to do it more to find out what's wrong with doing that 3) Servers encourage people to interact and play with others, further progressing sales of Gmod. So, WHY would Garry do something so stupid? :v: </rant> Edit: Don't mix this up with "OMG HE CONDONES H4X0RZ"[/QUOTE] 1) It wouldn't be stupid because the "big servers" would have no problem getting in and actually they would probably like it more because then all these derp DarkRP servers could be regulated better. 2) He wants them to do that, he is exactly the same, if you try and bypass his block he will do more to block you. 3) This is garrysmod not the real world, nobody makes a server to "interact and play with others" they do it to make a community be popular have power and make money. He also doesn't need to give a shit about sales because as we already know if people get banned, they will buy another copy. The hole thought process behind saying "server owners need the option" is stupid. Regardless of how good a coder you are, you are never going to have the options available to you as garry has to stop them so as a server owner this is something you would never say no to. This ban list doesn't break anything or shit like that it, stops people who have gone out of their way to abuse the system and dick around. It just seems illogical to me that any server that is legitimate would express an interest in allowing known cheaters to visit.

[QUOTE=Effektiv;41374072]It just seems illogical to me that any server that is legitimate would express an interest in allowing known cheaters to visit.[/QUOTE] Then why are there servers with VAC off? Let's say as example, I host a sandbox server, why would I want to turn on a banlist that only contains cheaters? It's not relevant at all, and will only take away players. A ban list that I would turn on would require to have minges in them, rather than cheaters.

[QUOTE=Effektiv;41374072]1) It wouldn't be stupid because the "big servers" would have no problem getting in and actually they would probably like it more because then all these derp DarkRP servers could be regulated better. 2) He wants them to do that, he is exactly the same, if you try and bypass his block he will do more to block you. 3) This is garrysmod not the real world, nobody makes a server to "interact and play with others" they do it to make a community be popular have power and make money. He also doesn't need to give a shit about sales because as we already know if people get banned, they will buy another copy. The hole thought process behind saying "server owners need the option" is stupid. Regardless of how good a coder you are, you are never going to have the options available to you as garry has to stop them so as a server owner this is something you would never say no to. This ban list doesn't break anything or shit like that it, stops people who have gone out of their way to abuse the system and dick around. It just seems illogical to me that any server that is legitimate would express an interest in allowing known cheaters to visit.[/QUOTE] You realize that not everyone that used hacks used it for malicious purposes right? I used it to bhop on a server that the owner said it was ok to do so on and I made sure to get permission before doing so.

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41374336]You realize that not everyone that used hacks used it for malicious purposes right? I used it to bhop on a server that the owner said it was ok to do so on and I made sure to get permission before doing so.[/QUOTE] Not everyone is so loyal though. You could consider that you might have used it on another server, And disrupted gameplay. Ultimately, It falls down to preventing people, Who have been hacking on their own servers, To hack on other servers. And if it is indeed for that reason, it has my support.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;41374370]Not everyone is so loyal though. You could consider that you might have used it on another server, And disrupted gameplay. Ultimately, It falls down to preventing people, Who have been hacking on their own servers, To hack on other servers. And if it is indeed for that reason, it has my support.[/QUOTE] It would be as well for me, if he would let owners add a whitelist or something to allow them to use it.

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41374394]It would be as well for me, if he would let owners add a whitelist or something to allow them to use it.[/QUOTE] I completely agree with you. As much as I think these measure to oppress hackers are quite invasive to our rights as server owners to have a decent amount of control, I think that he should add a level of control that server owners can use, To dictate how to deal with hackers on their servers. For example: If the server allows hackers, Or If the server should kick known hackers, Etc.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;41374436]I completely agree with you. As much as I think these measure to oppress hackers are quite invasive to our rights as server owners to have a decent amount of control, I think that he should add a level of control that server owners can use, To dictate how to deal with hackers on their servers. For example: If the server allows hackers, Or If the server should kick known hackers, Etc.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I think! But garry using the draconian style of controlling servers does not want to allow that type of freedom, because in a sandbox game where people own servers privately they are not good enough to remove them their selves.

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41374451]Exactly what I think! But garry using the draconian style of controlling servers does not want to allow that type of freedom, because in a sandbox game where people own servers privately they are not good enough to remove them their selves.[/QUOTE] Well the point is that, Garry doesn't HAVE to give any freedom at all if he wishes so. Of course, That would be monumentally dumb, But the point is, No matter how much we complain, He has the only, And final say on the matter. My best advice to people who got banned: You got caught for hacking, Learn from the mistake of hacking, And move on :)