Tomorrow, 1,500 people are getting banned for using Script Enforcer bypasses. - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=DarthTealc;41374435]Does anyone know if the IDs are stored in the game or if they come from an api.garrysmod.com request instead?[/QUOTE] Run wireshark and find out.

They're stored in server.dll

To anyone looking : chances are they are a modified version of the 64bit steamid. Probably bit shifted, that's what happened last time.

[QUOTE=garry;41374678]They're stored in server.dll[/QUOTE] Any particular reason for this, to me it'd make more sense to get a list from the internet so you don't have to update the game to update the banlist

So many bad excuses in this thread.

[QUOTE=Goz3rr;41374751]Any particular reason for this, to me it'd make more sense to get a list from the internet so you don't have to update the game to update the banlist[/QUOTE] which would also be easy for servers to spoof, bypassing the whole "i dont want server owners to turn this off"

[QUOTE=Disseminate;41374791]which would also be easy for servers to spoof, bypassing the whole "i dont want server owners to turn this off"[/QUOTE] Well the current system is already being spoofed so it's not like that matters.

[QUOTE=Goz3rr;41374821]Well the current system is already being spoofed so it's not like that matters.[/QUOTE] And they are going to continue to get spoofed.

It makes no difference to me if server owners use some injection to turn it off. I'm not going to try to stop them, but I'm not going to add an official way to turn it off. The cheaters still can't join 99.99% of servers - so that's fine.

[QUOTE=garry;41375008]It makes no difference to me if server owners use some injection to turn it off. I'm not going to try to stop them, but I'm not going to add an official way to turn it off. The cheaters still can't join 99.99% of servers - so that's fine.[/QUOTE] Ah well, I was only ever on one server who is enabling it anyway. At least there is a way.

To any server owners out there that are on here, do you think you are going to bypass the bans serverside using the .dlls that have been released and others that may be released later on to allow some of the people on the bans list onto your servers?

[QUOTE=garry;41375008]It makes no difference to me if server owners use some injection to turn it off. I'm not going to try to stop them, but I'm not going to add an official way to turn it off. The cheaters still can't join 99.99% of servers - so that's fine.[/QUOTE] Why are you closing the game off to players who want to develop?

[QUOTE=roxi;41375238]Why are you closing the game off to players who want to develop?[/QUOTE] Because they cheated

[QUOTE=garry;41375246]Because they cheated[/QUOTE] So why do you have to pack the modules?

It seems like Garry is going through the 'Responsible game developer' stage. In fairness, There is nothing that us, As coders, Could not make an anti-cheat against. Trying to teach people through negative reinforcement is just not going to work, People are too stubborn. I just think that taling too much into your own hands is depriving server owners of the most basic of features: Who do I want to play on my server. As much as I agree with the banning of players, And depriving them from the right of interacting with other players online, Is a good idea, I just think this has been taken a bit too far. Sorry if i have come across a bit strong, That is not my intention, I am just trying to be constructive.

this is not the first time garry has done a mass banning, and probably won't be the last [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] he has every single right to ban people from playing his game, so there's that. whether or not he has taken it too far is not for you to decide, garry isn't some kind of government agency

[QUOTE=roxi;41375255]So why do you have to pack the modules?[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't he pack the modules?

[QUOTE=Lerpaderp;41375343]Why wouldn't he pack the modules?[/QUOTE] Why would he... Make's it a lot harder to make modules, add more functions to the game.

[QUOTE=Lerpaderp;41375343]Why wouldn't he pack the modules?[/QUOTE] there's no reason why the serverside only files need to be packed.

[QUOTE=Lerpaderp;41375343]Why wouldn't he pack the modules?[/QUOTE] Because packing makes making legitimate modifications harder while barely affecting cheat developers [editline].[/editline] And because some antiviruses see packed libraries as being suspicious.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;41375308]It seems like Garry is going through the 'Responsible game developer' stage. In fairness, There is nothing that us, As coders, Could not make an anti-cheat against. Trying to teach people through negative reinforcement is just not going to work, People are too stubborn. I just think that taling too much into your own hands is depriving server owners of the most basic of features: Who do I want to play on my server. As much as I agree with the banning of players, And depriving them from the right of interacting with other players online, Is a good idea, I just think this has been taken a bit too far. Sorry if i have come across a bit strong, That is not my intention, I am just trying to be constructive.[/QUOTE] The answer is simple.. just don't cheat?

[QUOTE=Flapadar;41375423]Because packing makes making legitimate modifications harder while barely affecting cheat developers [editline].[/editline] And because some antiviruses see packed libraries as being suspicious.[/QUOTE] Cheat developers looking in the binaries probably have know-how to unpack the modules, whereas legitimate module developers probably don't. Packing the modules brings no benefit at all. Antiviruses have every right to see it as suspicious, packing modules is common virus masking technique and legitimate applications have little to no reason to pack them.

[QUOTE=garry;41375527]The answer is simple.. just don't cheat?[/QUOTE] At this point it isn't about the players any more, but more of what powers you are taking away from the servers.

They want the power to allow cheaters to play on their servers... but why? Because they're banned - and they're cheaters? And want to undermine their punishment?

[QUOTE=garry;41375556]They want the power to allow cheaters to play on their servers... but why? Because they're banned - and they're cheaters? And want to undermine their punishment?[/QUOTE] That is not the point. The point is you are saying what we can and can't do with our own servers. But you never comment or say why you packed the modules? Second Garry why did you not place an update change log our since you packed the modules?

[QUOTE=garry;41375556]They want the power to allow cheaters to play on their servers... but why? Because they're banned - and they're cheaters? And want to undermine their punishment?[/QUOTE] Punishment for cheating in a SANDBOX game not some random shooter, in other games sure there is only one reason to cheat, but in Gmod there are literally an infinite number of reasons and not all of them are there to deny players enjoyment like you have stated. Such as what is wrong with say using a Bhop script on a Bhop server you are affecting no one by doing this, some people have stated using them to simply bring down there settings so that they can enjoy the game more, or a few friends get together to prop push each other on a private server they are affecting no one and enjoying themselves.

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41375593]Punishment for cheating in a SANDBOX game not some random shooter, in other games sure there is only one reason to cheat, but in Gmod there are literally an infinite number of reasons and not all of them are there to deny players enjoyment like you have stated. Such as what is wrong with say using a Bhop script on a Bhop server you are affecting no one by doing this, some people have stated using them to simply bring down there settings so that they can enjoy the game more, or a few friends get together to prop push each other on a private server they are affecting no one and enjoying themselves.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but you should have no reason to bypass sv_allowcslua for this, if the server Owner(s) want you to do this, then they'd have it on. I'd say let all of the servers with sv_allowcslua not have the global banlist, but then you'd be letting everybody back into DarkRP servers.

[QUOTE=Lerpaderp;41375617]Yeah, but you should have no reason to bypass sv_allowcslua for this, if the server Owner(s) want you to do this, then they'd have it on. I'd say let all of the servers with sv_allowcslua not have the global banlist, but then you'd be letting everybody back into DarkRP servers.[/QUOTE] The server I did use mine on for bhop had it there for the people that they didn't want to use it easily and if they were not one of the people who were allowed to use it they were banned permad because the server made sure to have enough admins/mods to deal with the problems themselves, they did not need some global ban system to deal with the problem.

[QUOTE=roxi;41375586]That is not the point. The point is you are saying what we can and can't do with our own servers. But you never comment or say why you packed the modules? Second Garry why did you not place an update change log our since you packed the modules?[/QUOTE] No I'm not. I've already said you can do what you want with your server. You're asking me to allow banned people to play on servers - which totally removes the punishment for cheating. Maybe I should add an option to let you play on servers with pirated versions of GMod too?

You can't claim that everyone you detected were cheaters, as mfsinc stated before, he was banned for testing bypassers on his own private server to develop his own anticheat. [QUOTE=roxi;41375586]That is not the point. The point is you are saying what we can and can't do with our own servers. But you never comment or say why you packed the modules? Second Garry why did you not place an update change log our since you packed the modules?[/QUOTE] He obviously did it to conceal his super duper anticheat detection methods. I don't see what you want to know. I think it's stupid, he doesn't.