Tomorrow, 1,500 people are getting banned for using Script Enforcer bypasses. - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=DannelorG;41375593]Punishment for cheating in a SANDBOX game not some random shooter, in other games sure there is only one reason to cheat, but in Gmod there are literally an infinite number of reasons and not all of them are there to deny players enjoyment like you have stated. Such as what is wrong with say using a Bhop script on a Bhop server you are affecting no one by doing this, some people have stated using them to simply bring down there settings so that they can enjoy the game more, or a few friends get together to prop push each other on a private server they are affecting no one and enjoying themselves.[/QUOTE] If the server wants to allow you to use a bunny hop script they'll have allowcslua enabled - so you can run scripts at will. If it's not enabled then the server owner doesn't want you to run scripts on their server.

[QUOTE=garry;41375661]No I'm not. I've already said you can do what you want with your server. You're asking me to allow banned people to play on servers - which totally removes the punishment for cheating. Maybe I should add an option to let you play on servers with pirated versions of GMod too?[/QUOTE] What you should have done is when you implemented it you should have given the server owners permission to not send the data to you so players could have used it on servers that said ok, rather then keeping everyone in the dark. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=garry;41375673]If the server wants to allow you to use a bunny hop script they'll have allowcslua enabled - so you can run scripts at will. If it's not enabled then the server owner doesn't want you to run scripts on their server.[/QUOTE] He said I could I made sure to ask, he had it there to stop the people who he didn't say could use it and if some one was caught that wasn't allowed to then they were banned.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;41375308]It seems like Garry is going through the 'Responsible game developer' stage. In fairness, There is nothing that us, As coders, Could not make an anti-cheat against. Trying to teach people through negative reinforcement is just not going to work, People are too stubborn. I just think that taling too much into your own hands is depriving server owners of the most basic of features: Who do I want to play on my server. As much as I agree with the banning of players, And depriving them from the right of interacting with other players online, Is a good idea, I just think this has been taken a bit too far. Sorry if i have come across a bit strong, That is not my intention, I am just trying to be constructive.[/QUOTE] cheating and getting banned in garrysmod is pretty much the same as getting banned in any other game that uses VAC for example cs:s, i have no idea why you think it's different if garry is trying to ban cheaters. though i guess the only difference is that you can actually still allow VAC banned players on your server.

[QUOTE=garry;41375661]No I'm not. I've already said you can do what you want with your server. You're asking me to allow banned people to play on servers - which totally removes the punishment for cheating. Maybe I should add an option to let you play on servers with pirated versions of GMod too?[/QUOTE] Ok & second question. What about the packed modules?

[QUOTE=ChewGum;41375705]cheating and getting banned in garrysmod is pretty much the same as getting banned in any other game that uses VAC for example cs:s, i have no idea why you think it's different if garry is trying to ban cheaters. though i guess the only difference is that you can actually still allow VAC banned players on your server.[/QUOTE] Difference is those games don't have as many circumstances as garrysmod can have as both games are centered around being shooters as garrys mod is not it is a sandbox game not a shooter.

TTT has guns?

[QUOTE=garry;41375724]TTT has guns?[/QUOTE] Correct :smile:

[QUOTE=garry;41375724]TTT has guns?[/QUOTE] TTT is one out of how many individual game modes? Many game modes do not need/ are not centered around fighting. Just look at what you have to do to play HL2RP you have to say that guns are not needed to play. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("We've already had this argument over and over again. Garry's Mod has gamemodes. Gamemodes don't work if we allow people to cheat." - garry))[/highlight]

So Garry what about unpacking the modules?

-snip- I am a page too late.

[QUOTE=garry;41375556]They want the power to allow cheaters to play on their servers... but why? Because they're banned - and they're cheaters? And want to undermine their punishment?[/QUOTE] Because I like to [url=http://puu.sh/3yIAI.jpg]Handle it on my own[/url]

[QUOTE=garry;41375673]If the server wants to allow you to use a bunny hop script they'll have allowcslua enabled - so you can run scripts at will. If it's not enabled then the server owner doesn't want you to run scripts on their server.[/QUOTE] Maybe the server owner wants to let him use his bunnyhop script but doesn't want to allow joe schmoe to run hera? [QUOTE=roxi;41375769]So Garry what about unpacking the modules?[/QUOTE] If it's anything like last time he packed them, they will remain packed until he removes his cheat detection stuff. I wonder why he feels he needs to pack them in order to protect it. There are public tutorials to unpack pretty much every public packer that exists, does he really think that a cheater who wants to disassemble his libraries is going to be stopped by a packer? At the most, it's going to slow them down for a day or two. It's futile.

Then install the bunnyhop script on the server?

[QUOTE=garry;41378106]Then install the bunnyhop script on the server?[/QUOTE] If I joined a random server, and asked the owner if I could run a bunnyhop script, he would probably think it's fine. I doubt, however, he would take the trouble to install my script on the server for me. No one thought you would be checking cvar values, so I understand why the bhopper might have decided to force allowcslua.

[QUOTE=SashaWolf;41378158]If I joined a random server, and asked the owner if I could run a bunnyhop script, he would probably think it's fine. I doubt, however, he would take the trouble to install my script on the server for me. No one thought you would be checking cvar values, so I understand why the bhopper might have decided to force allowcslua.[/QUOTE] sv_allowcslua 1 with a decent anticheat? Not ideal but yeah

Wait. I admit it. You're right. I should make my anti-cheat detect when you have the expressed permission of the server owner to use cheats. I'm gonna unban everyone now

[QUOTE=garry;41378325]Wait. I admit it. You're right. I should make my anti-cheat detect when you have the expressed permission of the server owner to use cheats. I'm gonna unban everyone now[/QUOTE] A cvar to toggle it off will suffice, thanks for being so understanding.

This reminds me of the fight we had with Garry revolving around lua errors kicking players, everyone agreed it should have been a convar except him.

It's amazing seeing how hard it is for cheaters to except the fact that they cheated. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Map in a box;41378532]This reminds me of the fight we had with Garry revolving around lua errors kicking players, everyone agreed it should have been a convar except him.[/QUOTE] And that turned out for the better. The only ones arguing here are the ones who are banned, though.

[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41378739]It's amazing seeing how hard it is for cheaters to [U][I]except[/I] the fact that they cheated[/U]. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] And that turned out for the better. The only ones arguing here are the ones banned, though.[/QUOTE] [I]Except [/I]the ones that cheat for good reasons. Still, a cheat is a cheat and if Garry thinks it requires a ban then so be it. :v: It's his game.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;41378778][I]Except [/I]the ones that cheat for good reasons. Still, a cheat is a cheat and if Garry thinks it requires a ban then so be it. :v: It's his game.[/QUOTE] Yes, but do you really believe that anyone cheated for a "good" reason? They had the ability to run any script on any server and got banned. They then try to lie their way out of it. I know because I used to cheat when I first got the game. I used to say "fuck you I only wanted to run a music playing script", when in fact I had aimbotted and speedhacked.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;41378778]It's his game.[/QUOTE] And we're the community, the people who make gamemodes and addons for [I]his game[/I]. If I host a sandbox gamemode, then a banlist of "cheaters and hackers" isn't useful at all. I'd rather turn it off to get more players. Same goes for racing games, RTS gamemodes, every gamemode that's not about shooting eachother. I understand that Garry wants to help the TTT gamemode, but TTT isn't the only thing around. Theres more than shooters in Garrysmod. And Garry, if you really think that GAC needs no cvar, then I'd like you to ask Valve why they made a cvar for VAC. I'm not arguing as a cheater here, I'm arguing as a server host.

I have first hand experience and I bet most of these people are lying. They sound exactly like I did... exactly

[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41378739]It's amazing seeing how hard it is for cheaters to except the fact that they cheated.[/QUOTE] 10 pages of replies, fucking incredible. The butthurt meter is off the charts

[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41378840]Yes, but do you really believe that anyone cheated for a "good" reason? They had the ability to run any script on any server and got banned. They then try to lie their way out of it. I know because I used to cheat when I first got the game. I used to say "fuck you I only wanted to run a music playing script", when in fact I had aimbotted and speedhacked.[/QUOTE] Trying to prove a point to the owner of the server, or for testing?

[QUOTE=bromvlieg;41378908]And we're the community, the people who make gamemodes and addons for [I]his game[/I]. If I host a sandbox gamemode, then a banlist of "cheaters and hackers" isn't useful at all. I'd rather turn it off to get more players. Same goes for racing games, RTS gamemodes, every gamemode that's not about shooting eachother. I understand that Garry wants to help the TTT gamemode, but TTT isn't the only thing around. Thyeres more than shooters in Garrysmod. And Garry, if you really think that GAC needs no cvar, then I'd like you to ask Valve why they made a cvar for VAC. And I'm not arguing as a cheater here, I'm arguing as a server host.[/QUOTE] Sandbox can still be exploited. You can cheat on sandbox with prop kill scripts or server crashers. If pvp is enabled then you can kill everyone within seconds. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;41378942]Trying to prove a point to the owner of the server, or for testing?[/QUOTE] For cheating?

[QUOTE=bromvlieg;41378908]And Garry, if you really think that GAC needs no cvar, then I'd like you to ask Valve why they made a cvar for VAC..[/QUOTE] Just gonna put this out there.. they didn't make a cvar for VAC, they made a commandline command

[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41378946]Sandbox can still be exploited. You can cheat on sandbox with prop kill scripts or server crashers. If pvp is enabled theb you can kill everyone within seconds.[/QUOTE] I aim, I spawn a saw blade, I rotate my mouse, and I give it a swing. Player killed. I aim, I spawn 500 bridges. Server is has now crashed. I spawn myself a deagle, and start shooting people. They'll die fast enough. We got admins to deal with these kinds of things. GAC can't stop these things. [QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;41378965]Just gonna put this out there.. they didn't make a cvar for VAC, they made a commandline command[/QUOTE] I don't see a difference in it, but sure! Your party.

[QUOTE=bromvlieg;41378999]I aim, I spawn a saw blade, I rotate my mouse, and I give it a swing. Player killed. I aim, I spawn 500 bridges. Server is has now crashed. I spawn myself a deagle, and start shooting people. They'll die fast enough. We got admins to deal with these kinds of things. GAC can't stop these things. I don't see a difference in it, but sure! Your party.[/QUOTE] There are exploits to make youeself admin or server owner on sandbox. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] If you have aimbot on sandbox... it's still cheating. If they wanted your hacks to run they would just allow cslua?

[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41378946]Sandbox can still be exploited. You can cheat on sandbox with prop kill scripts or server crashers. If pvp is enabled then you can kill everyone within seconds. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] For cheating?[/QUOTE] Testing for exploits in the server. As I said, it's still cheating, but for good reasons.