Some people are just asses you know, you should respect the FoF dev's politeness and actually asking nicely, all of you guys out there that are all "What ya gonna do?" and "Stop me" are just proving to the more intelligent and respectable people out there that they are idiots, and clearly don't deserve to be playing anything because if you don't respect this mod, what's to say you respect anything else. I hope you all abide the simple request the devs from FoF are asking. Best to luck to you, FoF devs, to stop these porters.
[QUOTE=Freakie;21131114]As far as I understand, it's only copyright infringement if it's released to the public.
But I dunno.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=87297[/url]
[I]Includes FoF content, not credited except by name inside the pack.[/I]
It's FoF intellectual property/assets, and therefore they can do what they want with their copyright on it. You can release something for free yet still copyright it, just depends on what license you use on it. The creative commons share alike agreement does basically what Gmod does with FoF:
[quote]
You are free:
* to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
* to Remix — to adapt the work
Under the following conditions:
*[B]Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
[/B]
Attribute this work:
Information
What does "Attribute this work" mean?
The page you came from contained embedded licensing metadata, including how the creator wishes to be attributed for re-use. You can use the HTML here to cite the work. Doing so will also include metadata on your page so that others can find the original work as well.
*Share Alike — If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same, similar or a compatible license.
With the understanding that:
* Waiver — Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder.
* Public Domain — Where the work or any of its elements is in the public domain under applicable law, that status is in no way affected by the license.
[B] * Other Rights — In no way are any of the following rights affected by the license:
o Your fair dealing or fair use rights, or other applicable copyright exceptions and limitations;
o The author's moral rights;
o Rights other persons may have either in the work itself or in how the work is used, such as publicity or privacy rights.[/B]
* Notice — For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work. The best way to do this is with a link to this web page.
[/quote]
[I]Not in anyway saying this is their license, but if it is, then there are a bit of red handed folk around here.[/I]
[url]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/[/url]
Coolzies. I'm fine with that. To all the people whining about independent developers attempting to protect their copyright, I'd advise you to go outside, find the nearest grass and sit on it. Then think a little bit about how incredibly irrelevant and unnecessary it is to argue about this.
Then maybe go play a little soccer. Then make some nachos. Then you can come back. Alright?
A lot of complaining for nothing. I don't see why you shouldn't let people play around with the Fistful of Frags weapons - they're not going to do any harm to the mod anyway.
If their license [b]is[/b] creative commons, it will be worthless. As far as licensing goes, it's pathetic.
he Dev Team some of your models are going to be needed in a Machinima I am making. Please, let this one slip by. If you don't want to its fine.
If their creative commons license says that you should give them credit, you should at least respect that. Some people honestly do need to pay attention sometimes when showing out their addons with such work that needs crediting included. I would have done the same if I had any LUA experience.
Every time that dude posts I think of twelve guys sitting around a computer monitor, eagerly conferring with one another about how to respond to posters like |Flapjack|.
Just to ad the ink on my printer smells like popcorn
Actually, I'm pretty sure using them in the same overall engine with a different goal constitutes fair use.
Don't quote me on that one, but it's not like people are going.
"Wild west model pack! All created by me!"
They're maybe saying.
"Fistful of Frags Model pack! Created by the FoF mod team!"
ITT: Panties in a twist over nothing.
[editline]10:03AM[/editline]
[quote=CC Licence]You are free:
* to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
[U][B]* to Remix — to adapt the work
[/B][/U][/quote]
Pretty sure Madcow's work is a remix. Go fig. He also credits the models as having come from FoF originally.
ITT: Legal experts
I went through this whole thread thinking it was about Lead and Gold.
I'm starting to doubt myself.
I used to think Fistful of Frags was a pretty cool mod.
Until now. How the fuck do you copyright mod content?
This makes me feel like doing what the people want us not to do...
But on a serious note, You cant copyright mods.
[QUOTE=FoF-Dev-Team;21100832]Greetings Hakita
It saddens us that you have no faith in us.
But as you asked, here is our proof.
[img]http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6616/capturebm.png[/img]
I hope this helped you understand that we do not lie to the Facepunch Community.
The Fistful of Frags Developers Team[/QUOTE]
Gozer, ken ik je toevallig?
[QUOTE=Agoat;21273722]I used to think Fistful of Frags was a pretty cool mod.
Until now. How the fuck do you copyright mod content?[/QUOTE]
I can understand that some people do wish to protect and keep their work for themselves / own usage.
But, if they are using a CC liscense, then this entire thread is pretty much BS.
[QUOTE=SteveUK;21100843]Fuck me. You have no idea how copyright laws work.
FoF is a mod I enjoy quite a lot, and they deserve to retain their copyright.[/QUOTE]
Well, I know for a fact that you cant copyright any sort of Valve related software or mod or anything related to Valve, purely because you dont have an rights of ownership to the software and game engine involved.
You can copyright individual source code and cpp but not ports or the mod itself, Its more of an agreement between users that copying other peoples work is bad, and that is all that remains. Unless valve give you exclusive permission e.g. like Garrys Mod 10 or Counterstrike: Source etc...
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;21287124]I can understand that some people do wish to protect and keep their work for themselves / own usage.
But, if they are using a CC liscense, then this entire thread is pretty much BS.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't care if they were like "Hey, can you not use our stuff?", but instead they go "I GOT COPYRIGHT DURRHURRRR"
You people are idiots. Copyright is instantly granted to the author of a piece of work, such as the models from the mod in question, so the team are fully entitled to protect their assets.
To Facepunch
I write my posts like a formal letter when there is no need to, and I have been asked not to. Therefore I am mature and intelligent.
From tepholman
Well, shit.
Mad Cow's FoF SWEPS were some of my favorites that have been released. Tried it out on the community that I'm a part of's server, one was pretending to be a Clint Eastwood Character, one couldn't get enough of the 1897. It was fun.
I guess it's you guys' decision, though.
I'm saddened to say most of the community (from the responses I've gleamed) will wave this off.
[QUOTE=nicatronTg;21135007][url]http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=87297[/url]
[I]Includes FoF content, not credited except by name inside the pack.[/I]
It's FoF intellectual property/assets, and therefore they can do what they want with their copyright on it. You can release something for free yet still copyright it, just depends on what license you use on it. The creative commons share alike agreement does basically what Gmod does with FoF:
[I]Not in anyway saying this is their license, but if it is, then there are a bit of red handed folk around here.[/I]
[url]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/[/url][/QUOTE]
Hello
We know about Mad Cow's weapons and the other ports. But we have chosen to let the posts started from April 2 2010 to be deleted. Not the ones that were already posted, since we don't want to let people lose their work that they have put together.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;21201797]he Dev Team some of your models are going to be needed in a Machinima I am making. Please, let this one slip by. If you don't want to its fine.[/QUOTE]
The dev team and Ryell absolutly encourage you to make machimina. You are free to do so, we only counter the reproducing of our source. But we do not give map source.
Sincerly the FoF Dev Team
[QUOTE=FoF-Dev-Team;21330989]Hello
We know about Mad Cow's weapons and the other ports. But we have chosen to let the posts started from April 2 2010 to be deleted. Not the ones that were already posted, since we don't want to let people lose their work that they have put together.
The dev team and Ryell absolutly encourage you to make machimina. You are free to do so, we only counter the reproducing of our source. But we do not give map source.
Sincerly the FoF Dev Team[/QUOTE]
...the second part of this post, made no fucking sense...we are not reproducing your "source" materials, we are using the released materials, which DOES include maps as well as weapon models and props from maps. Nothing you coded is in the addons we produce, the models you release are essentially free game once you launch a mod as there is no way of protecting them (Valve use .GCFs, IW uses .IWDs, that kind of thing).
[QUOTE=tepholman;21307396]To Facepunch
I write my posts like a formal letter when there is no need to, and I have been asked not to. Therefore I am mature and intelligent.
From tepholman[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UberMensch;21127888]One thing, stop signing your posts. We know who you are.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cirtaboyz;21128262]Dear Fistful of Fags Development Team
Stop fucking pretending like this forum is a fucking letter.
CirtaboyZ
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hakita;21101029]One more note. This isn't some super-polite forum[/QUOTE]
Christ why can't these people just speak normal instead of writing it like a letter. I mean really, their name is "FoF dev team".
[QUOTE=Best4bond;21283702]This makes me feel like doing what the people want us not to do...
But on a serious note, You cant copyright mods.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you can. Say I made a mod for HL2. I have copyright to it because I made the mod, regardless of what game it's modding. Copyrighting a mod isn't copyrighting the game it modded too.
Me personally, am not familiar with FoF in any way, as I have never heard of this team or it's work before. But, as Wiggles said:
[QUOTE=Wiggles;21299089]You people are idiots. Copyright is instantly granted to the author of a piece of work, such as the models from the mod in question, so the team are fully entitled to protect their assets.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=US Copyright Office]102 [B](a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original
works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known
or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise
communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.[/B] Works of
authorship include the following categories:
(1) literary works;
(2) musical works, including any accompanying words;
(3) dramatic works, including any accompanying music;
(4) pantomimes and choreographic works;
[B](5) pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works;[/b]
(6) motion pictures and other audiovisual works;
(7) sound recordings; and
(8) architectural works.[/QUOTE]
What that means is, THE MOMENT IT'S MADE, IT IS COPYRIGHT WORK. Filling out forms at the US Copyright Office only insure you have quality protection; you don't need to fill anything out to have copyright on your work.
Also, if the FoF team designed and released the mod and work therein in the USA, residents of the UK would have to abide by both British and US Law when handling with the material. Likewise, members of the US would have to abide by US and British copyright laws, etc.
[QUOTE=US Copyright Office](a) Criminal Infringement. —
(1) In general. — Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed —
(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or
(C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
(2) Evidence. — For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement of a copyright.
(3) Definition. — In this subsection, the term “work being prepared for commercial distribution” means —
(A) a computer program, a musical work, a motion picture or other audiovisual work, or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution —
(i) the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and
(ii) the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed; or
(B) a motion picture, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution, the motion picture —
(i) has been made available for viewing in a motion picture exhibition facility; and
(ii) has not been made available in copies for sale to the general public in the United States in a format intended to permit viewing outside a motion picture exhibition facility.
(b)(b) Forfeiture, Destruction, and Restitution.—Forfeiture, destruction, and restitution relating to this section shall be subject to section 2323 of title 18, to the extent provided in that section, in addition to any other similar remedies provided by law.
(c) Fraudulent Copyright Notice. — Any person who, with fraudulent intent, places on any article a notice of copyright or words of the same purport that such person knows to be false, or who, with fraudulent intent, publicly distributes or imports for public distribution any article bearing such notice or words that such person knows to be false, shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(d) Fraudulent Removal of Copyright Notice. — Any person who, with fraudulent intent, removes or alters any notice of copyright appearing on a copy of a copyrighted work shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(e) False Representation. — Any person who knowingly makes a false representation of a material fact in the application for copyright registration provided for by section 409, or in any written statement filed in connection with the application, shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(f) Rights of Attribution and Integrity. — Nothing in this section applies to infringement of the rights conferred by section 106A(a).[/QUOTE]
Of course, I'm not saying anyone is redistributing the content with malicious intent, but it should give you the general idea on how serious this can be with a $2500 fine.
Most of you may be right, there isn't much anyone can do about it being used once it's on the Internet. Of the stuff the FoF dev team CAN do, one of several things can leave a hole in your wallet, and maybe jailtime.
[url]http://www.copyright.gov/title17/[/url]
Guys, maybe you should realize the copyright isn't important, and what matters is that these guys spent countless hours putting together these weapons, and people on garrysmod.org are just ripping it from them. Show some compassion and recognize the hard work of the FoF team.
Inb4 more "I don't fucking care if they made it I will use it no matter what its my birth right".
[QUOTE=LagMonster!!!!;21111010]
They are not making any money off of your mod and the only true reward anyone gets for their mod is credit and downloads.
[/QUOTE]
Exactly. This falls under non-profit use, which under section 107 of the United States Copyright Act 1976 is fair use, and does not require approval of the copyright holder.
You are free to personally request that these be taken down, but I'm not sure about anything beyond that.
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