Nexus Exploits Megathread - Garry's Mod

you can always grab a json.lua here if your paranoid [url]http://www.chipmunkav.com/downloads/Json.lua[/url] [editline]01:08AM[/editline] Actually dont, nexus one is modded to support vectors

HEY GUS I LIKE TO CHANGE MY NAME BECAUSE NO 1 WILL KNOW WHO I AM CONNA Kudo ******** Kuromeku Kurozael Kuropixal I LIKE TO USE ALL THE NAMES I CAN THINK OF THAT HAVE KU IN THEM BECAUSE IM COOL GUYS, ALSO I SELL SWEET SCRIPTS FOR 300 DOLLARS, AND I GOT IN SCHOLL BECAUSE I CAN CAN CODE LUA AND THEY LIKE IT YAY. whats your next name gona be Kuromefag DERP DERP [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Spam" - Jaanus))[/highlight]

Wow Nexus needs a exploits megathread? Loled at the sad truth of Kuro being a asshole. [editline]01:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=onesuperbroham;22917695]HEY GUS I LIKE TO CHANGE MY NAME BECAUSE NO 1 WILL KNOW WHO I AM CONNA Kudo ******** Kuromeku Kurozael Kuropixal I LIKE TO USE ALL THE NAMES I CAN THINK OF THAT HAVE KU IN THEM BECAUSE IM COOL GUYS, ALSO I SELL SWEET SCRIPTS FOR 300 DOLLARS, AND I GOT IN SCHOLL BECAUSE I CAN CAN CODE LUA AND THEY LIKE IT YAY. whats your next name gona be Kuromefag DERP DERP[/QUOTE] Awesomeness people.

I'm not sure I fully understand why what I have done is so bad, that you have to insult me and slander my name. I'm speaking human to human to every one of you now, and I just don't think I quite get it. Let's talk real here, I added some leak protection to my scripts; my script gets leaked, and then you all complain that it has security issues - well yeah, that is kind of the whole point. I, Conna, have never actually done anything wrong to any single one of you, regardless of any slander you may throw out there. doonbugie you call me an asshole and say I can't be trusted, but is it really assholish to want your script to have leak-prevention? Really? You also claim that what I am doing is illegal, and against "Valve's EULA", let me clarify. I've actually e-mailed Valve myself to clarify this, and the response was along the lines of: "provided what you are selling consists one hundred percent of code written by you, and nobody else [which it is], and that you include no content within the package that was created or developed by the team at Valve, then selling what you have written is allowed". Think of it like a lightbulb and a lampshade; you need a lampshade to put the lightbulb in, but the lightbulb is not a lampshade nor does it include a lampshade; but it is not illegal for the manufacturers of the lightbulb to sell their product; regardless of any dependencies. You also feel like you have to need to call people who purchase my scripts "idiots", I don't understand why. These people are customers with their own money who have every right to spend it on what they like. Just because you do not feel the need to sell your scripts to the general public, it doesn't mean others are not entitled to. I have to pay for travel to London everyday for university, and these customers give me the support I need; and respect for upcoming developers, to help me with that and I appreciate every bit of custom they have given me. Nobody is an idiot for spending money on something they want, there are people out there that spend their money on far worse things, but it is ultimately up to them. Somebody said, 'Lua wouldn't get you a scholarship'; well it did. Simply because I think you'll find that Lua is almost always posted as a 'plus' on any C++ games programmer job requirements list; simply because it is easy to include into games as a sufficient scripting language for plugins and other things. The sufficient Lua knowledge that I have gained me access to a C++ games programming degree, for me to better my life and get a career in something I absolutely love. The reason I haven't 'started working on a Source mod' is simply because I want to focus all my efforts on my degree, and get that out of the way first. Secondly, I have absolutely no problem with people using Nexus or making their own schemas with it (that is the whole point in a framework!), but what I do not appreciate is people leaking or using schemas that I have developed that are not for public release. If you don't respect that, then it is clearly not I that is in the wrong. If anybody wishes for a [i]backdoor/leak-protection free[/i] copy of Nexus (which is what was supposed to have been publically released originally) then you can talk to me on Steam (spec_soldier) or get it from one of the sources posted here. Blueprint 2 (Nexus 4) will not actually be released for public use, just so it is clear now; but Nexus is of course still available for the public to develop schemas for. I really hope this clears some things up for you. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of permabanned user" - SteveUK))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=legitimatetroll;22922053]Let's talk real here, I added some leak protection to my scripts; my script gets leaked, and then you all complain that it has security issues - well yeah, that is kind of the whole point.[/QUOTE] That doesn't explain the 3.0e back door :colbert:

[QUOTE=raBBish;22922133]That doesn't explain the 3.0e back door :colbert:[/QUOTE] Understandable, and I am truly sorry. If anybody actually took the time to hear my side of the story, you'd be told that for each public release I literally forgot to take them out (when you transfer the updated current release to the public/ folder in my Nexus directory - it does become a pain to remember to take them out). For example, I'm 100% sure that the original Nexus 3.0a release did [i]not have any backdoors in it[/i] because it was the first release, and therefore I specifically remembered to take them out. I am sorry for any trouble I have caused, accidents happen. I just don't want my name slandered here for something that is either not my fault, an accident, or me trying to pay fees and bills. Thank you for listening/reading my side of the story, and if you still decide that you hate me; then that is your prerogative. If you have any more questions about myself, the script, or upcoming releases please e-mail me at [email]kurozael@gmail.com[/email]. I'd love to hear from you.

For me this thing is not about "hate", hating on someone for making exploits in scripts that I personally have nothing to do with, is a waste of energy. My point is that it's wrong to have exploits in any of your scripts, whether you release them publicly and "forgot" to remove them or in your sold scripts. It's bad either way. First about the "anti-leak prevention", your exploits give you the power to ruin servers who bought the script too. It's unlikely that you would do it, but that's not the point. You have the ability to ruin any server that runs your scripts, whether they own them genuinely or not. There's an unnecessary trust factor, no one can tell for sure you wouldn't shut down the server of someone you hold a personal grudge against. Secondly, "forgetting" to remove the exploits in a publicly released scripts is stupid, by reading your posts I think you agree with that. Knowing that this is not the first time major exploits have been found in your scripts (I still remember the serversecure exploit where you got superadmin when you set your name to Console), you should not be surprised that people have lost their trust in you. Thirdly, your anti-leak method depends on human interaction too much. You personally search for servers and check if they own the script 'legally'. The first problem is that there's quite some possibility that there are servers running your script 'illegally' and that you don't find out about them (when they changed the name of the gamemode or something). The second problem is that people with a legit version of your script change host or change the name of the server without telling you. You would likely think they own the script without paying. Guess what happens next. If I were you I would try to find a different way of preventing people from leaking scripts, this method is wrong and clearly not good for your reputation.

I totally agree with FPtje, I don't like this script, but there really should be another way of "anti-leaking" it!

[QUOTE=FPtje;22923838]For me this thing is not about "hate", hating on someone for making exploits in scripts that I personally have nothing to do with, is a waste of energy. My point is that it's wrong to have exploits in any of your scripts, whether you release them publicly and "forgot" to remove them or in your sold scripts. It's bad either way. First about the "anti-leak prevention", your exploits give you the power to ruin servers who bought the script too. It's unlikely that you would do it, but that's not the point. You have the ability to ruin any server that runs your scripts, whether they own them genuinely or not. There's an unnecessary trust factor, no one can tell for sure you wouldn't shut down the server of someone you hold a personal grudge against. Secondly, "forgetting" to remove the exploits in a publicly released scripts is stupid, by reading your posts I think you agree with that. Knowing that this is not the first time major exploits have been found in your scripts (I still remember the serversecure exploit where you got superadmin when you set your name to Console), you should not be surprised that people have lost their trust in you. Thirdly, your anti-leak method depends on human interaction too much. You personally search for servers and check if they own the script 'legally'. The first problem is that there's quite some possibility that there are servers running your script 'illegally' and that you don't find out about them (when they changed the name of the gamemode or something). The second problem is that people with a legit version of your script change host or change the name of the server without telling you. You would likely think they own the script without paying. Guess what happens next. If I were you I would try to find a different way of preventing people from leaking scripts, this method is wrong and clearly not good for your reputation.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm concerned my reputation is very good, the only people that seem to give me a bad reputation is those on Facepunch - but even then that is down to personal grudges and such. Most people outside of the little group Facepunch respect me, so it's most unusual. Secondly, I have each IP of each customer so I do checks before doing what you are suggesting. There is no real 'better' anti-leaking method, and you talk about trust, but I obviously cannot trust certain people because the schemas have ended up being leaked. That is why I implemented these things, believe me, I tried it based on trust first and it just didn't work. The method I'm using [i]isn't[/i] wrong, I should have just remembered to take out the backdoors in the publically released version - which I have admmitted is my bad and apologised for. But the method itself is [i]not wrong[/i]. There is nothing wrong with using this method for anti-leaking at all, it is common knowledge that using a leak will result in something like this; so you should know that before leaking or using a leak. A customers server would never be taken down, it's like providing webhosting; you paid for a service and your website could be taken down at any time if the host wanted to, but they don't unless you break the terms which they have told you. Another thing about the 'setting your name to Console' exploit, that was quite obviously just a bug. And it's logical to why that bug would work, if you understand it, which is why when I found out about it I did actually release a new ServerSecure update - so I say again, please stop holding grudges or bringing up things in the past. Incase you haven't noticed by now, one trait of mine is that I [i]don't hold grudges[/i], which is ironic considering many of the people who hate me do. Never have I once been nasty, or disrespect anyone because of some kind of 'grudge', unless you can show me an example where I did. Facepunch has given me a bad reputation over something they don't understand, if you recall originally way back when, the only reason I got banned was for [i]retaliating[/i]; not for actually starting any arguments. And that's why Facepunch holds a grudge against me/gives me a bad reputation, because people don't understand the reason for ban, or didn't pay actual attention to the events that occured. When I notice a leaked server, my first reaction isn't to just "go and take it down without a care in the world"; I take the time to consult the owner and have a talk with them. Yet another false accusation against me. Thank you for reading, and yet again I hope I have cleared some things up. If you actually take the time to talk to me personally, and ignore false accusations and slander that are thrown around by those holding grudges; you might actually find I'm not as bad as people make out.

The trust I am talking about is [b]you[/b], you have to be trusted with these "powers". I don't care enough to hate you, I just think that you can do a lot with licenses. Having exploits in your scripts is wrong because it gives you too much unnecessary powers. Why don't you put a license in the private versions with a clear message and a warning, and if it is leaked you can contact the host? (unless it's hosted by the owner himself) Exploits just aren't the way to do it. I'm not talking about you trusting the server owners, I'm talking about the server owners trusting you. You can say you don't abuse these exploits, but we, nor the server owners can be ultimately sure about that. That is my main problem with having exploits in scripts. also your "I don't hold grudges" is not quite true. You asked an example: Was it not you who first came up with the name "fagpunch"? you really hated facepunch.

[QUOTE=legitimatetroll;22922053]You also claim that what I am doing is illegal, and against "Valve's EULA", let me clarify. I've actually e-mailed Valve myself to clarify this, and the response was along the lines of: "provided what you are selling consists one hundred percent of code written by you, and nobody else [which it is][/QUOTE] I thought you have some module dependencies? I don't know, I don't have the code. But if you do, you owe credit to Chrisaster (Sourcenet) and AzuiSleet (Gamedesc) amongst the others in use - basing this from questions in the Lua section - questions from people using your gamemodes about those modules. Though, I must say I agree with your methods. Backdoors are the one true way to prevent the majority of leaks from being useful.

[QUOTE=FPtje;22927591]You asked an example: Was it not you who first came up with the name "fagpunch"? you really hated facepunch.[/QUOTE] Wasn't me.

[QUOTE=FPtje;22927591] I don't care enough to hate you, I just think that you can do a lot with licenses. Having exploits in your scripts is wrong because it gives you too much unnecessary powers. Why don't you put a license in the private versions with a clear message and a warning, and if it is leaked you can contact the host? (unless it's hosted by the owner himself)[/QUOTE] This is my issue with Nexus. Licenses. I'll give you one reason why Nexus shouldn't have any sort of license. [lua]DeriveGamemode("Sandbox")[/lua] Nexus is not 100% your code. This is not you using Luabind and dropping your Lua in. This is you deriving from an existent non copyrighted code who comes from a propietary developer, namely Garry. True, nor Garry nor Valve will attempt legal action against you, but it doesn't mean your claims of a license have any legal validity. You can check GPL, you can check Creative Commons, but nothing in the world is gonna give you the legal assurance that this script is yours only, and thus gives you full distribution rights over it. What I'm trying to say here is, you can charge all you want, but if somebody wants to leak the gamemode, there's nothing you can do. The only thing you can tell them is to keep your name on it, because as far as I know, what isn't privately licensed is free to distribute. You can add 150 new chapters to Hamlet, but you can never claim you wrote Hamlet.

The license thing was just an idea, but it's better than putting exploits in your scripts, the people who know about the exploits [b]simply can not be trusted with this ability[/b]. Conna has the ability to ruin [b]every single[/b] server running his scripts with exploits. He can say he wouldn't do it, but you can never know for sure. Not only that, one "simple" mistake such as forgetting to remove them can result in more people knowing about the exploits. Every server owner running nexus (bought or public one) who don't know about this thread is simply [u]fucked[/u]. Chances are high that they get a storm of people "trying out" these exploits or even people wanting to troll servers, even though the server owners don't know what the shit is happening. This makes those server owners an unnecessary victim. Having exploits in your scripts is wrong. Preventing people from leaking the script does not justify this method. I'm glad Conna currently is the only one [b]known[/b] to do this. But what if more people do it, take this to a bigger scale. I don't want Conna to be an example for other people. Before you know Lua scripters sell scripts with exploits and then leak the exploits to friends. [u]How do I know for sure you don't leak the exploits to any friends either?[/u] Having exploits in Lua scripts is [b]outrageous[/b]. The garry's mod community is not designed for Lua scripters to have powers over servers running their scripts.

[QUOTE=legitimatetroll;22922225]Understandable, and I am truly sorry. If anybody actually took the time to hear my side of the story, you'd be told that for each public release I literally forgot to take them out (when you transfer the updated current release to the public/ folder in my Nexus directory - it does become a pain to remember to take them out). For example, I'm 100% sure that the original Nexus 3.0a release did [i]not have any backdoors in it[/i] because it was the first release, and therefore I specifically remembered to take them out. I am sorry for any trouble I have caused, accidents happen. I just don't want my name slandered here for something that is either not my fault, an accident, or me trying to pay fees and bills. Thank you for listening/reading my side of the story, and if you still decide that you hate me; then that is your prerogative. If you have any more questions about myself, the script, or upcoming releases please e-mail me at [email]kurozael@gmail.com[/email]. I'd love to hear from you.[/QUOTE] You didn't release it with the backdoors on accident and you know it. Also it's kinda hard to trust you now, your saying you don't backdoor servers without consulting the owner, however in the past you have taken down servers without consulting the owner. Honestly I can understand what your trying to rant about, but you called allot of it upon yourself. Although I really do think people should stop complaining about people buying the scripts, it's not like its their money. It's like when people tell me it's pointless buying a Vbulliten license which I did, but it was my money not theirs. Also your saying that the latest version you are handing out is backdoor free, but how are we 100% sure that it truly is backdoor free? Also I would like to say something about your community, sometimes your just a dick to people who have comments on it and you don't do anything about it. For example you were saying on experiment that there was no safe zone, so I told you that you need to teach your admins then cause I was banned for killing in the "safe zone". You then called me a faggot and told me to moan to the admin, which honestly as the owner of a community, you should be dealing with your admins, not us.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;22928045]This is my issue with Nexus. Licenses. I'll give you one reason why Nexus shouldn't have any sort of license. [lua]DeriveGamemode("Sandbox")[/lua] Nexus is not 100% your code. This is not you using Luabind and dropping your Lua in. This is you deriving from an existent non copyrighted code who comes from a propietary developer, namely Garry. True, nor Garry nor Valve will attempt legal action against you, but it doesn't mean your claims of a license have any legal validity. You can check GPL, you can check Creative Commons, but nothing in the world is gonna give you the legal assurance that this script is yours only, and thus gives you full distribution rights over it. What I'm trying to say here is, you can charge all you want, but if somebody wants to leak the gamemode, there's nothing you can do. The only thing you can tell them is to keep your name on it, because as far as I know, what isn't privately licensed is free to distribute. You can add 150 new chapters to Hamlet, but you can never claim you wrote Hamlet.[/QUOTE] Hello, Valve said it was okay. Doing DeriveGamemode("sandbox") doesn't not make it my code, because I wrote DeriveGamemode("sandbox") using my keyboard. I'm allowed (as confirmed by Valve) to sell [i]what I write[/i]; because I'm not including Valve's content or code physically written by Garry with my script, it is fine. Sure, I'm deriving from Garry's code; but I'm not [i]packing the code with what I sell[/i] therefore in the eyes of the law what I'm doing is fine (see my lightbulb example). Either way, I'm not here to make enemies or cause confusion, simply clarify the facts with you. If you don't like the fact that I sell my work, that's fine, you don't have to buy it. If it still bugs you, then you do literally have an obsession; which isn't healthy. [quote=FPtje] Conna has the ability to ruin every single server running his scripts with exploits. He can say he wouldn't do it, but you can never know for sure. [/quote] Then you have some trust issues, anyone that isn't a hater of mine (likes to stir shit and cause rumours/throw slander about) will tell you that I've never even done anything like that, so you have no solid basis to mis-trust me or accuse me of doing so. [quote] Having exploits in your scripts is wrong. Preventing people from leaking the script does not justify this method. I'm glad Conna currently is the only one known to do this. But what if more people do it, take this to a bigger scale. I don't want Conna to be an example for other people. Before you know Lua scripters sell scripts with exploits and then leak the exploits to friends. How do I know for sure you don't leak the exploits to any friends either? Having exploits in Lua scripts is outrageous. The garry's mod community is not designed for Lua scripters to have powers over servers running their scripts. [/quote] I ask all customers if they're okay with these private backdoors being in their server for leak-protection, and they all agree that it is fine and fair. For some strange reason only the people who don't buy it find it unfair, hmmm? [quote=Flaky80] You didn't release it with the backdoors on accident and you know it. Also it's kinda hard to trust you now, your saying you don't backdoor servers without consulting the owner, however in the past you have taken down servers without consulting the owner. [/quote] You're yet accusing me of lying, and slandering me; which isn't fair. Why would you have any reason to mis-trust me or accuse me of lying, I've given you a reason for there being backdoors in the public versions and you [i]choose to disbelieve me[/i]. You again, have some trust issues; why do you see fit to accuse people of doing things when you have no solid evidence on which to base your accusations on? [quote=Flaky80] Also your saying that the latest version you are handing out is backdoor free, but how are we 100% sure that it truly is backdoor free? [/quote] Yet again, another issue of trust. For some reason you seem to dis-trust me, regardless of the fact that no solid evidence has been handed out to show that I am untrustworthy. I have explained the issue with backdoors in the public version; and if you don't believe me that is your choice (but for an infinate loop, start this paragraph again). [quote=Flaky80] Also I would like to say something about your community, sometimes your just a dick to people who have comments on it and you don't do anything about it. For example you were saying on experiment that there was no safe zone, so I told you that you need to teach your admins then cause I was banned for killing in the "safe zone". You then called me a faggot and told me to moan to the admin, which honestly as the owner of a community, you should be dealing with your admins, not us. [/quote] Sorry to be a dick, but my administration team or whatever have nothing to do with you really; you have your own servers if you don't like it. There are a lot of things in real life that are run in a way that I dislike, but that is life - not everything is suited to you. Thanks again for listening, if you want to continue to argue or throw insults and accusations at me - regardless of my trying to reason with you and explain the situation, then by all means go ahead; but that'd be very unreasonable considering my polite attempt to put things straight here.

I wasn't trying to start an argument, you said you would love our input, so I thought I would say that :/ And I never said I didn't like your server, just when I ask for help and get called a faggot kinda makes me feel I am not wanted on the server. And I am sorry for accusing you of backdooring servers without consulting the owner, but a while back when I didn't know about all this license shit, I ran HL2RP and you took it down and told me after the fact. Which I guess is fine, either way it would've been down. I trust you, I have been running a Novus two server for a while and nothing has happened, but people keep telling me you want to backdoor it and take it down but I guess they are just ignorant, I am sorry for accusing you.

[QUOTE=legitimatetroll;22930995]Hello, Valve said it was okay. Doing DeriveGamemode("sandbox") doesn't not make it my code, because I wrote DeriveGamemode("sandbox") using my keyboard. I'm allowed (as confirmed by Valve) to sell [i]what I write[/i]; because I'm not including Valve's content or code physically written by Garry with my script, it is fine. Sure, I'm deriving from Garry's code; but I'm not [i]packing the code with what I sell[/i] therefore in the eyes of the law what I'm doing is fine (see my lightbulb example). Either way, I'm not here to make enemies or cause confusion, simply clarify the facts with you. If you don't like the fact that I sell my work, that's fine, you don't have to buy it. If it still bugs you, then you do literally have an obsession; which isn't healthy.[/QUOTE] False. The fack that you're doing DeriveGamemode means you're deriving from a work, meaning it's not entirely yours. It's that simple. The few licenses that do provide protection for this kind of deriving do not concede you any control over who distributes your code. The type of propietary licenses that allow you to sell your code in such a manner do not apply in the slightest to Nexus. You can sell your work, but however, you cannot legally threat the leakers, the people who host the leaked servers, and so on.

You're still a douche for charging such an extortionate amount for a god damn gamemode. Windows 7 is cheaper than your gamemode for fucks sake, stop being so pretentious, lower the cost or make it entirely free (lower the cost as in, less than £100). Considering you charge so much, how in the world does your gamemode provide a better RP experience than a DarkRP server (with serious players of course)? It doesn't, none of the features you boast justify the cost as they can or do exist in other FREE gamemodes. Though well done, you are exploiting the stupidity of people, much like any good salesman.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;22932972]You're still a douche for charging such an extortionate amount for a god damn gamemode. Windows 7 is cheaper than your gamemode for fucks sake, stop being so pretentious, lower the cost or make it entirely free (lower the cost as in, less than £100). Considering you charge so much, how in the world does your gamemode provide a better RP experience than a DarkRP server (with serious players of course)? It doesn't, none of the features you boast justify the cost as they can or do exist in other FREE gamemodes. Though well done, you are exploiting the stupidity of people, much like and salesman.[/QUOTE] And the fact that it's just another shitty RP script.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;22932972]You're still a douche for charging such an extortionate amount for a god damn gamemode. Windows 7 is cheaper than your gamemode for fucks sake, stop being so pretentious, lower the cost or make it entirely free (lower the cost as in, less than £100). Considering you charge so much, how in the world does your gamemode provide a better RP experience than a DarkRP server (with serious players of course)? It doesn't, none of the features you boast justify the cost as they can or do exist in other FREE gamemodes. Though well done, you are exploiting the stupidity of people, much like any good salesman.[/QUOTE] It's up to the people whether they buy it or not, like any business there is always a market, and always somebody that will pay the asking price. There is nothing wrong with me charging how much I charge, that is my choice. The main reason that I charge the amount I do, is that customers make it back easily and then profit from it by having donation systems and other setups.

[QUOTE=legitimatetroll;22933584]It's up to the people whether they buy it or not, like any business there is always a market, and always somebody that will pay the asking price. There is nothing wrong with me charging how much I charge, that is my choice. The main reason that I charge the amount I do, is that customers make it back easily and then profit from it by having donation systems and other setups.[/QUOTE] What about when someone leaks it and removes all your backdoors?

Still agree'd, $300 is a bit much, some people want the gamemode but obviously can't afford it.

Conna, you don't seem to understand, the fact of the matter is you act completely innocent when in fact you have previously attacked communities, mine, as a prime example, by using a source packet flood exploit, claiming it was a botnet. You are [i]not[/i] a reliable, trustworthy person, you are [i]not[/i] an intelligent person and by god you are [i]not[/i] on the moral highground here. I can understand you care about your reputation, it's human nature, although you're hurting your cause more than you're helping it by completely fucking about with other communities and adding the [i]threat[/i] of backdoors into your scripts. You're incredibly egotistical, and right now you're doing some strange form of mental gymnastics in order to prove to [i]yourself[/i] that you've done nothing incorrect. Let me paraphrase something for you: "provided what you are selling consists one hundred percent of code written by you, and nobody else [which it is], and that you include no content within the package that was created or developed by the team at Valve, then selling what you have written is allowed". We take it that that message in the lightest terms means any code included within the package can be resold legally by you, correct? Well tell me then, Conna, why you've used other scripts such as json and public .dlls and sold them along with your package? Did you get consent to do so? If so by all means this is legal, and I understand you're funding your way through Quatmn, but you can do that [i]without[/i] getting an entire community worth of angst at your back. I don't hate you, Conna, I just dislike the way you think and act.

[QUOTE=Kamern;22934463]Conna, you don't seem to understand, the fact of the matter is you act completely innocent when in fact you have previously attacked communities, mine, as a prime example, by using a source packet flood exploit, claiming it was a botnet. You are [i]not[/i] a reliable, trustworthy person, you are [i]not[/i] an intelligent person and by god you are [i]not[/i] on the moral highground here. I can understand you care about your reputation, it's human nature, although you're hurting your cause more than you're helping it by completely fucking about with other communities and adding the [i]threat[/i] of backdoors into your scripts. You're incredibly egotistical, and right now you're doing some strange form of mental gymnastics in order to prove to [i]yourself[/i] that you've done nothing incorrect. Let me paraphrase something for you: "provided what you are selling consists one hundred percent of code written by you, and nobody else [which it is], and that you include no content within the package that was created or developed by the team at Valve, then selling what you have written is allowed". We take it that that message in the lightest terms means any code included within the package can be resold legally by you, correct? Well tell me then, Conna, why you've used other scripts such as json and public .dlls and sold them along with your package? Did you get consent to do so? If so by all means this is legal, and I understand you're funding your way through Quatmn, but you can do that [i]without[/i] getting an entire community worth of angst at your back. I don't hate you, Conna, I just dislike the way you think and act.[/QUOTE] Hello Kamern, I dislike you saying that I am not an intelligent person. I quite obviously am an intelligent person; I will not continue to argue about this, I've stated my side of the story and you continue to be unreasonable; everything I have done has been reasonable and I have not attacked any communities nor can you prove I have (because I haven't, so how could you possibly have proof). Secondly, if you actually read my long posts; you'd find out that I [i]don't care[/i] about my reputation on the [i]internet[/i], I'm just putting my side of the story across so that it is a fair and balanced argument, and so people don't have to listen to lies and slander thrown into the mix by people who are jealous or hate me. You call me egotistical, but I'm simply proud of my work and proud of what I have achieved over the years. You have no way to prove that I am [i]untrustworthy or unreliable.[/i] You say I can fund my way through university without getting you guys on my back, I don't see how. There's no problem with me selling my work, at all. You're creating some big deal out of nothing, when the truth is you could easily ignore it - nobody is making you buy it, if you aren't interested why couldn't you just stay out of it? Why do [i]people like you[/i] have to get involved in things that are simply [i]none of your business[/i]. All I'm saying is, I think you should stand away from Rick Dark for just one moment, and consider not getting involved with drama that doesn't concern you. I have never, ever, had a problem with your community; nor have I attacked it or attempted to attack it - you're yet again throwing lies into the mix in an attempt to give me a bad reputation. And please don't call me unintelligent again, I'm actually going very far in my life at the moment, and people who are not intelligent do not get degrees. [i]If you'd like to continue arguing, or want to accuse me of anything again, why don't you do it to me over Steam, so that the public don't have to hear it?[/i] One final thing, you say you dislike the way I think and act, by the sound of your post: I dislike the way [i]you[/i] think, and certainly the way you act. I'm seriously not going to be arguing anymore over an internet forum, this is getting rediculous. You either love me or hate me, it's still an obsession - but whatever you do, make sure what you hear from others is right and that they have proof of it before you spread it. I came to the forum and gave my explanation for the course of events that took place; even apologised for the accidental happening of a backdoor in one of the public Nexus releases, and yet a few of you seem persistant to hate on me blindly. Please add me to Steam at spec_soldier if you'd like to talk at me. Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;22932144]False. The fack that you're doing DeriveGamemode means you're deriving from a work, meaning it's not entirely yours. It's that simple. The few licenses that do provide protection for this kind of deriving do not concede you any control over who distributes your code. The type of propietary licenses that allow you to sell your code in such a manner do not apply in the slightest to Nexus. You can sell your work, but however, you cannot legally threat the leakers, the people who host the leaked servers, and so on.[/QUOTE] The only problem I have with this statement is this: [CODE]using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Linq; using System.Text; [/CODE] That's code from a basic C# application, it is indeed using external code but you are still allowed to licence that code [b]if[/b] the rest of the code is 100% yours. I'm not defending anyone's actions, I just feel like because you derive from a gamemode (or include functions) doesn't mean you can't license something. That said, there were .dlls and json.lua (like Kamern stated) included that were not written 100% by conna. I'd really not like to get into it with anyone, just feel like I should bring those couple of things up.

I think they should get some royalites.

[QUOTE=legitimatetroll;22935206]Hello Kamern, I dislike you saying that I am not an intelligent person. I quite obviously am an intelligent person; I will not continue to argue about this, I've stated my side of the story and you continue to be unreasonable; everything I have done has been reasonable and I have not attacked any communities nor can you prove I have (because I haven't, so how could you possibly have proof). Secondly, if you actually read my long posts; you'd find out that I [i]don't care[/i] about my reputation on the [i]internet[/i], I'm just putting my side of the story across so that it is a fair and balanced argument, and so people don't have to listen to lies and slander thrown into the mix by people who are jealous or hate me. You call me egotistical, but I'm simply proud of my work and proud of what I have achieved over the years. You have no way to prove that I am [i]untrustworthy or unreliable.[/i] You say I can fund my way through university without getting you guys on my back, I don't see how. There's no problem with me selling my work, at all. You're creating some big deal out of nothing, when the truth is you could easily ignore it - nobody is making you buy it, if you aren't interested why couldn't you just stay out of it? Why do [i]people like you[/i] have to get involved in things that are simply [i]none of your business[/i]. All I'm saying is, I think you should stand away from Rick Dark for just one moment, and consider not getting involved with drama that doesn't concern you. I have never, ever, had a problem with your community; nor have I attacked it or attempted to attack it - you're yet again throwing lies into the mix in an attempt to give me a bad reputation. And please don't call me unintelligent again, I'm actually going very far in my life at the moment, and people who are not intelligent do not get degrees. [i]If you'd like to continue arguing, or want to accuse me of anything again, why don't you do it to me over Steam, so that the public don't have to hear it?[/i] One final thing, you say you dislike the way I think and act, by the sound of your post: I dislike the way [i]you[/i] think, and certainly the way you act. I'm seriously not going to be arguing anymore over an internet forum, this is getting rediculous. You either love me or hate me, it's still an obsession - but whatever you do, make sure what you hear from others is right and that they have proof of it before you spread it. I came to the forum and gave my explanation for the course of events that took place; even apologised for the accidental happening of a backdoor in one of the public Nexus releases, and yet a few of you seem persistant to hate on me blindly. Please add me to Steam at spec_soldier if you'd like to talk at me. Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE] If you're going to blatantly lie you can fuck right off, you claim to have never been malicious... I don't even know what to say anymore, you're actually... properly dumb... I was joking before, I actually was, I knew you were intelligent but fuck... my entire outlook on you has changed. To be honest the communities you have UDP flooded have scree- You know what? I'm done, kuromeku is beyond the epitome of fucking mentally retarded, beyond the point where I actually can [i]do[/i] anything about it. Peace. [url]http://pastebin.com/HEF7Unbz[/url] [editline]12:47AM[/editline] [url]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Nulled_kuro.png[/url] (Kuro's use of pirated forums) [editline]12:49AM[/editline] [url]http://attack.pastebin.com/XF1phrrX[/url] (Log of kuromeku's source packet flood attempt (as outputted by the prevention module)) [editline]12:57AM[/editline] 5:01 AM - rN | kuromeku - Less Than Three: Laggy? 5:01 AM - rN | kuromeku - Less Than Three: xD (What kuromeku said to one of our developers before I installed the prevention module) [editline]12:59AM[/editline] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Print027.png[/img] (Proof of the above) [editline]01:08AM[/editline] If you want you can PM me for a copy of Kuromeku's website as of pre-phpBB, it has all the necessary evidence regarding the nulled software. [editline]01:11AM[/editline] As for proof that the IP was in fact kuro's at some point, googling it should give you at least one example, although don't hold me on that, it's only a hunch.

That has got to be the most blatant fake log I have ever seen, [i]everybody I know[/i] will blatantly back me up in saying that I never talk like that on Steam friends. Ever.

Why would someone fake a whole 277 line long steam chat.