RP Terms Which Confuse You. - Garry's Mod

BACK STORY'S FOR APPLICATIONS I mean come on guys, why do you need to make a backstory to apply to be a motha fricken street vendor? I MEAN COMON! Its just pointless and its funny how they try to make parts of applications IC even though its way out of IC.

Back stories are required regardless... Hell my backstory takes up a few paragraphs.

- RDM (Random Death Match) Killing people without a proper Roleplay reason. - NLR (New Life Rule) After you died, you forgot everthing that happened. So that's also who killed you, where and how. - Metagaming Using Out-Of-Character chats for Roleplay conversations. That are the 3 most used and most abused.

I got adminabused yesterday in a RP server: I was playing all happy, OOCed about how I hate people that RDMs me and then this idiot places a random hit on me, while I was merrily building up a store. The hitman comes at my door and shoots it down, and tells me to come up (I was hidden in the basement after hearing the gunshots). I refuse, and the little asshole shoots me down after busting my other door. I respawn, see him trying to kill another guy. Got a gun and killed him, hadinformed another admin, they warn the other idiot, who then starts RDMing the whole server. Later, he begs me for 5k $ and he wouldn't accept a hit against me. Kills me because I'm broke, then steals the stuff I had in my pocket. Idiot gets demoted to citizen, unadmined and starts raging. Rules broken: -Metagaming -NLR -RDM -Admin Abuse -Random hit -Bribe

[QUOTE=Sgt. Lulz;28232730]I got adminabused yesterday in a RP server: I was playing all happy, OOCed about how I hate people that RDMs me and then this idiot places a random hit on me, while I was merrily building up a store. The hitman comes at my door and shoots it down, and tells me to come up (I was hidden in the basement after hearing the gunshots). I refuse, and the little asshole shoots me down after busting my other door. I respawn, see him trying to kill another guy. Got a gun and killed him, hadinformed another admin, they warn the other idiot, who then starts RDMing the whole server. Later, he begs me for 5k $ and he wouldn't accept a hit against me. Kills me because I'm broke, then steals the stuff I had in my pocket. Idiot gets demoted to citizen, unadmined and starts raging. Rules broken: -Metagaming -NLR -RDM -Admin Abuse -Random hit -Bribe[/QUOTE] Welcome to DarkRP!

What people think hitman is/want hitman to be: A professional killer, hired to eliminate whoever he's told to with deadly efficiency, leaving no trace behind. Does badass shit like snipe a gang leader that the rival gang has hired him to kill, also headshotting the gang member directly behind him, then hiding the rifle in the nearby cabinet and sprinting from the crime scene, making a clean getaway. What hitman actually is: You get a free gun (if the server you are playing on is retarded enough to make a hitman job, otherwise you are a renamed citizen and you buy a gun out of your own money,) you sit around waiting for someone to hire you, but no one ever does because they can just run up to anyone they want to kill and take them out with a deagle in the street, and the cops pretty much wont give a fuck, you try to do badass shit like snipe a sprinting guy out of his sea of gangster followers, but you always miss and everyone laughs at you.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;28235063]What hitman actually is: You get a free gun (if the server you are playing on is retarded enough to make a hitman job, otherwise you are a renamed citizen and you buy a gun out of your own money,) you sit around waiting for someone to hire you, but no one ever does because they can just run up to anyone they want to kill and take them out with a deagle in the street, and the cops pretty much wont give a fuck, you try to do badass shit like snipe a sprinting guy out of his sea of gangster followers, but you always miss and everyone laughs at you.[/QUOTE] Worse, the hitman jobs usually still get an automatic salary, so they don't ever charge a realistic amount of money for their services, but they're still not getting hired for any IC reasons...

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;28243551]Worse, the hitman jobs usually still get an automatic salary, so they don't ever charge a realistic amount of money for their services, but they're still not getting hired for any IC reasons...[/QUOTE] I've hired hitmen to take out local competitors. It's all good buisness!

Meany communities' consider hitmans to be serial killers, i think a hitman is a hired professional assassin is considered the same. A serial killer is a man who kill's for himself not for any others but only for personal values.

Hitmen are hired assassins, Serial Killers aren't. Plus, most Hitmen kill for profit, Serial Killers kill for probanly any other reason depending on why they're killing. And yeah, because of how "gangsta" and "bitchass" some rather moronic immature people consider DarkRP, expect idiots running certain servers. Stay away from them. Regarding Backstory - it depends. If it's a Serious RP server, then it's a must regardless. Depending on what you're applying for, things can be different. Regarding Civil Worker's Union which my character is in, you just need to put in past work... stuff... thingies, like things tasks you did assisting CWU or what credidentials before the 7 Hour War. If you're applying for a Street Vendor - "Previous Work" is the only way to go. If they're asking you what you did up to the point of applying - maybe not such as good.

[QUOTE=Jocken300;28233798]Welcome to DarkRP![/QUOTE] The server actually was rather decent.

[QUOTE=Sgt. Lulz;28283220]The server actually was rather decent.[/QUOTE] Wha- Wait... So you complained about Metagaming, NLR, RDM, Admin abuse etc and yet you say that the server was decent? Okay then.

[QUOTE=Jocken300;28283248]Wha- Wait... So you complained about Metagaming, NLR, RDM, Admin abuse etc and yet you say that the server was decent? Okay then.[/QUOTE] It was just an in-training admin, and he got banned.

I hate it when someone killed my friend infront of my eyes, and I ran away. Then, after a while I have got a gun and for revenge I have killed the dude that has killed my friend (I didnt die so it wasnt metagame). I got banned for RDM because of that 0_o

[QUOTE=Dominikowisz09;28299237]I hate it when someone killed my friend infront of my eyes, and I ran away. Then, after a while I have got a gun and for revenge I have killed the dude that has killed my friend (I didnt die so it wasnt metagame). I got banned for RDM because of that 0_o[/QUOTE] Because you didn't RP it out.

As a, in my opinion, a pretty decent HL2RP CP, I have had to deal with more metagamers, RDMers, and mingerunners than anything else. RDM and S2K/S2M are the most controversial rules any server can have. I can't count the amount of times players have abused the rules to tick people off OOCly, and gain an advantage even IC. Also, NLR should be enforced completely differently. Just because your character (ICly and non-revengekilling, I hope) happens to stroll by the store you were killed at- BAN The point of NLR is to make it so that characters, as the name of the rules suggests, have an entirely new life. Though they don't know about the murder, that doesn't stop them from simply strolling by the store where the murder took place. Unfortunately, you never know whether the player was trying to get revenge or, in the rare case there is a good RPer on DarkRP, simply walking to their apartment, etc. In the case of Serious RP (HL2RP, Phase Four, etc) I would suggest an [u]entirely new character altogether after death[/u]. Unless the guy who killed you was, truly, an A+ troll, your character, ICly, is and will be dead. The only controversial part of this is with the CPs. When a CP dies and a rebel dies, the rebel imediately complains at how CPs get to be CPs, and rebels have to re-apply every time (In the case of my server, and most likely others) they die. The only problem with this, however, is that rank-wise there will always be [Insert high rank here]. Being whitelisted, CPs don't need to re-apply because they're CPs on spawn. Unless kurozeal adds a feature to rip armor off of a CP, or you make an entirely new CP altogether every time you die (Which wouldn't change much, since you're a CP and an admin would promote you almost imediately anyway). S2M/S2K and RDM, as has been stated before, will never work as a decent rule, ever. Kills with a long backstory are [i]very[i] hard to explain to an admin, and it would be better off if the only people banned for RDM were either A) the trolls in DarkRP or B) some guy who runs around the plaza doing some, if it were real, really funky punch-retreat moves. Metagaming has been discussed before, I think everyone knows we need too do something to fix that and to help servers get a better grip on the rule. Mingerunning is for people who can't stand "losing" when they play on an RP server, or if they think HL2RP servers, etc, are similar to DarkRP, or something. The rule I want to throw out there for discussion has to be the [b]3 vs 1 rule[/b]. This is extremely controversial, and a smart person can abuse it indefinetly. All you need is three rebels, oh no, only one needs an RP knife they magically smuggled through the endless CP checks, and they can imediately attack a CP without giving him a chance to do anything. Let's face it, CPs (I admit, as are rebels) are pretty strong. If they could, just possibly, dodge the knife the CP could pull a gun (or a fast one) on the group and get away unscathed. This brings me to the point where the measly unarmed groups claiming "3vs1 rule omg bann" meet the large armed rebellion groups which also claim that the CP needs to do absolutely "EVERYTHING WE SAY OR U GET BANNED FER 3VS1 ROOLE". Let's face it, CPs don't go quietly, (Unless they're one of those untrained recruits) they fight to the end, and possibly try to get radio help. This is all a big mess, so I thought I'd throw that out and see if anybody has similar/different views about this. __________________________________________________________________ Thanks to all the people who actually read through the whole thing! :D

I always play Cop or Hitman, I follow the rules TO A TEE, and yet get kicked/accused in chat. The only non-laggy server I could find has donator admins. That can kick and ban. So fucking annoying. I would kill an admin for taking out a gun in the streets, if I couldn't reach him to arrest him, or if he put it away by the time I got to him, and when I do this, I get accused in chat and before I can respond, I'm kicked. I just want a server with RP that is run by active admins. My best hope is that they let you negotiate your case.

I think NLR needs to be a game mechanic instead of a rule Like, if you die you become a ghost for roughly 2 minutes and can't interact with anything in any way. Players can't see you until you're about two meters from them, +use becomes nonfunctional, no weapons, OOC chat only etc. If you manage to get revived by a medic before you respawn at the map spawns, NLR won't apply. Otherwise, you come back to your looted shop or whatever as a new person or something like that. Leaving it up to the players to decide what NLR means just results in stupid shit like people getting banned for walking past their shop as it's being looted because it happens to be between the map spawn and where they want to go. [editline]27th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Eeshton;28309780] I would kill an admin for taking out a gun in the streets, if I couldn't reach him to arrest him, or if he put it away by the time I got to him, and when I do this, I get accused in chat and before I can respond, I'm kicked. [/QUOTE]Shooting in a panic when someone draws a weapon and points it at you is one thing. Killing people just because you saw them with a gun at one point, especially if there's no evidence they attacked anyone with it, is kinda stupid and will pretty much definitely get you kicked. You can issue search warrants for illegal weapons, you know

[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;28310738]I think NLR needs to be a game mechanic instead of a rule... ...Leaving it up to the players to decide what NLR means just results in stupid shit like people getting banned for walking past their shop as it's being looted because it happens to be between the map spawn and where they want to go. [/QUOTE] I cannot agree more. As for the ghost thing, I think it would get pretty boring floating around randomly for like, 5 minutes... ...that is if you don't go around haunting everyone you see. Hehehe... Building off of the game mechanic idea, servers could always go back to the permakill feature in OpenAura scripts. Then again, that would cause [i]a lot[/i] of raging.

[QUOTE=Kilakk;28311214]I cannot agree more. As for the ghost thing, I think it would get pretty boring floating around randomly for like, 5 minutes... ...that is if you don't go around haunting everyone you see. Hehehe...[/QUOTE] Being able to haunt people and places like that would actually be pretty fun. I think it would need a whole paranormal-themed script and scenario to make it make sense, though.

[QUOTE=Kilakk;28309532]Let's face it, CPs don't go quietly, (Unless they're one of those untrained recruits) they fight to the end, and possibly try to get radio help.[/QUOTE] Actually, this reminds me of something I wanted to discuss. I absolutely HATE IT when it is asserted that ALL members of group A MUST HAVE trait B. For example, on a HL2RP server once, I had one of my characters removed (No IC explaination, he just disappeared) and was given an hour long ban for "Fail RP" when my CP character decided to run away during a battle against some rebels when his side started losing. When I asked why later, they said "CPs are brave and loyal and they never run and they keep fighting until they die." I found this very restrictive. I mean, it wasn't like I was just going "BAI GUIZE LOLOLOLOLOLOL." I RPed the whole thing, and I honestly thought that it was what my character would do in that situation. He's my character, shouldn't I get to decide what his personality is?

Wow it took me over an hour to read all of this I currently own a zombie dark rp server its not the greatest rp environment nor does it have any real rping on it. and even though my admins are donate admins i make them put in an application before i accept their donations. i do have some younger admins 12- 13 or something like that. but they know i give "strikes" easy. 3 strikes and they loose admin no refund. i also have a set of rules they have to sign before i will accept donations. i dont have much of a problem wih nlr. i have it explained in my rules [b]New Life Rule Explained[/b] [code] 1. If you die EVERYTHING that happend in your past life is to be forgotten (ie. if someone kills you, you are not allowed to hold a grudge) 2. Police may not arrest anyone who died while doing an illegal act (ie. breaking into houses/killing) 3. If a CP dies while trying to make an arrest they may not go running back to the scene of the crime just so that they can arrest the person 4. Wanted status only lasts as long as the person who is wanted stays alive 5. CPs may NOT put a warrant out for someone who killed them (if you are shot at, the best thing to do is hide until you have put the warrant out, that way other cp/you can still arrest him) [/code] [b]Rules[/b] [code] 1. DON'T MESS WITH OTHER PLAYERS STUFF. If they want help, they'll ask! 2. Don't Spam. 3. Have fun. 4. Don't use a lot of small props. If a larger prop will serve the same purpose then use it 5. DO NOT ABUSE ANY ADDON 6. Minges get banned 7. NO BLOCKING ZOMBIE SPAWNS AND/OR FARMING ZOMBIES (1 warning then ban) 8. New life rule! [/code] [b]Admin rules[/b] [code] 1. NO selling anything spawned that nonadmins can not spawn. 2. No using admin powers on other players unless they are being complete minges. 3. Do Not ban without VERY good reason. (rdming is not banable up until a point) 4. Do Not ban someone because they did something you didn't like. 5. NLR goes for admins too. (except in the case of a minge) 6. DO NOT use admin powers to gain an advantage. (IE. nocliping into other peoples houses so that you know what they have) 7. Kulcris is the head honcho, (what he says goes) strikes are given at his discretion. 8. Stealing with admin powers is an instant removal of admin rights. [/code] honestly the server is just a great place to just hang out and kill zombies. i have a couple of custom "jobs" and /or slightly edited ones. right now i only have 4 bans. server has been up for nearly 2 months now and i constantly have 7-15 people on the server at once. darkrp is in no way an "OMG I DO THIS this and THIS" type rp" though i do have a few players who come on and do that and the whole server joins in. my admins like to hide that they are admins to stop the "omg your an admin? can i haz some moniez" in doing so they leave most of the rpable environment intact.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;28314639]Actually, this reminds me of something I wanted to discuss. I absolutely HATE IT when it is asserted that ALL members of group A MUST HAVE trait B. For example, on a HL2RP server once, I had one of my characters removed (No IC explaination, he just disappeared) and was given an hour long ban for "Fail RP" when my CP character decided to run away during a battle against some rebels when his side started losing. When I asked why later, they said "CPs are brave and loyal and they never run and they keep fighting until they die." I found this very restrictive. I mean, it wasn't like I was just going "BAI GUIZE LOLOLOLOLOLOL." I RPed the whole thing, and I honestly thought that it was what my character would do in that situation. He's my character, shouldn't I get to decide what his personality is?[/QUOTE] ARG. I hate it when this happens. In your case, these "brilliant roleplayers" don't have their lore right. OVERWATCH are the ones who fight until the end, since they're mindless killing machines made from screwing with humans. Most, if not all CPs are unmodified humans, who have the option of getting the Combine surgery if they want to be a more higher rank, but it's not forced on them. And trying to bound players to certain personality traits is just wrong - and it goes completely against RP in the first place - to be IMAGINITIVE. Not just to be all the same.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;28314639] I absolutely HATE IT when it is asserted that ALL members of group A MUST HAVE trait B. [/QUOTE] This. I do recall getting flame comments over OOC this one time I ran away from them. Mostly all of them are "come fight u big babeh lololol". And also, the running away thing does have exceptions to it (Didn't touch on that in my larger post ) Any CP is smart enough to retreat when there are what, 5-6 rebels vs one alive CP with no ammo. It would be better for the CP to survive and call for backup than failing miserably to kill all of the rebels, possibly at once. If a CP is captured, however, the higher ranked units would most definitely decline all rebels attempts to get the CP to "crack" and give them information. A recruit might succumb to these, but that, of course, is the player's choice on the character's personality. And yes, Overwatch fight to the end

Back to Dark RP.... I got recently banned from a server for metagame because apparently seeing the sparks of a money printer is meta game. Seriously... What the fuck? Why can't I use the ingame features too look for money printers. If some dumbass puts his money printer in front of his prop covered window he deserves to be arrested.

Well if you're roleplaying you're not meant to be seeing the sparks, seeing as sparks do not travel through opaque objects.

Metagame only states the following... "You may not use OOC for IC" If we see sparks I think we should be allowed to break shit in.

Another little rant: I find it very annoying how most serious RP servers seem to give the players very little control of the story. Actually, I think a pretty good comparison of how these servers work is the game Oblivion. You can die, all of the minor characters can die, and you can somewhat control the outcome of some side-quests (or minor storylines,) but there are also the "crowned" characters (or in the case of these servers, characters that the admins decide are important to their pre-planned storyline) that you may injure and knock out, but can't be killed unless the story demands it, and the main storyline will always end up the same no matter what actions you take.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;28364932]Back to Dark RP.... I got recently banned from a server for metagame because apparently seeing the sparks of a money printer is meta game. Seriously... What the fuck? Why can't I use the ingame features too look for money printers. If some dumbass puts his money printer in front of his prop covered window he deserves to be arrested.[/QUOTE] Why you are still playing DarkRP? It's been dead for one year now.

What makes it "dead"? [QUOTE=Jasun;28365187]Well if you're roleplaying you're not meant to be seeing the sparks, seeing as sparks do not travel through opaque objects.[/QUOTE] That's a good point. Someone should mod those to have a more obvious effect, though.