I remember the good old days with gmod 9 and vanilla props only. that was really fun times!
However, with the ever growing community and technology, gmod has gone beyond what anyone could imagine back then. Endless possibilities, a vast array of contraptions can now be built. I myself find Wiremod and E2 extremely useful and fun most of the time, but some days I like to build hilarious crap with vanilla props too! :v:
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;16816555]The only thing E2 is useful for is for minimizing the amount of ents. The only thing it can't do the job of is displayers and actualy props. Although THEORETICALLY it can only do what can already be done by other wire.[/QUOTE]
I find it easier to work with the maths/logic of a problem when it's shown as a piece of code rather than a set of gates and chips.
I'm talking about E2 as opposed to E1. Yes, it's great to use less chips, that's what made E1 so great. But with people just copy and pasting shit off the internet and using that it's really getting old. Now any idiot can make a controlled prop just by copy pasting something from some wiki. It's stupid.
E2 should only have the features of E1, except with it's new syntax.
I've been using the CPU chip instead of E2 because E2 can do "magic" things, like apply force vectors to physics props across the map, or spawn giant "holograms". It makes so very little sense. Horrible.
Otherwise, E2 should be [i]fixed[/i] to have the same mathematical features, however, it should ONLY retain the ability to do input/output in the form of [b]wire values[/b]. No more magic target finding or force vectors. Fuck that.
I have not bothered to read the thread entirely. I am basically here to state my opinion on E2.
In my opinion, E2 should be used for color changing, calculations, chatbots and the like. IT SHOULD NOT be used as a propulsion source. true, you can make some pretty awesome stuff with applyGay(), but you could make the exact same stuff with thrusters. E2 is a glorified gate. it simply lets you do in one gate what you might have to do in 12 anyways.
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So Expression 2 is too easy to use?
For me, 90% of the fun with E2 is creating it, learning and just use my wit. The rest is doing the testing to see if it works :eng101:
Expression 2 gave an advanced meaning to players, but it can be abused, which is the bad part about it. It's also hard for many to understand, but I don't really see how it ruined anything.
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;16820704]I have not bothered to read the thread entirely. I am basically here to state my opinion on E2.
In my opinion, E2 should be used for color changing, calculations, chatbots and the like. IT SHOULD NOT be used as a propulsion source. true, you can make some pretty awesome stuff with applyGay(), but you could make the exact same stuff with thrusters. E2 is a glorified gate. it simply lets you do in one gate what you might have to do in 12 anyways.[/QUOTE]
I have to say I agree that I disagree with the principle of an E2 chip modifying outside conditions directly rather than computing a set of outputs to be passed onto components designed to interact with the environment. The latter is how I always work with E2s.
But adding applyForce() which you so unfortunately misspelt in your post, and I'd imagine the range of other functions that deal with entities, has let E2 become more than a chip (should you choose to implement these functions), and wander into the region of being a sort of homebrew SENT, where you can script the behaviour of an entity and then take it online to show your friends or whoever. I'd like to see someone try and use thrusters to make the tank treads.
I don't at all think there's anything E2 "shouldn't" be used for.
I use Gyropod for moving my ships. But I then use E2 to spice it up (chat commands for certain options. like firing weapons, facing target, and doing barrel rolls).
I agree that the apply*word here*() functions are weird, especially for something that is really just meant to be all the other Gates (and a target finder) rolled into one
I find i hard to write simple commands in e2...
I cant get a Gbomb to detonate with a button, or keypad...
Nor can i make a count down timer....
So yeah...
Spec, if you can tell me the difference between a float and a string you pass... If you can't well, go read up some real langugaes like C# which is pretty easy and a lot like E2.
[QUOTE=Enginn;16828174]Spec, if you can tell me the difference between a float and a string you pass... If you can't well, go read up some real langugaes like C# which is pretty easy and a lot like E2.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, if you just learn some really simple coding language such as C# you only need to learn the functions in e2 and you'd understand the whole.
Wire in general has made me stop playing GMod all together.
Every time I go into a server, everyone is quietly standing still in a corner or something doing nothing but oh so cool wire. I don't remember the last time anything happened that was fun in GMod.
One day I got tired of searching for servers where shit actually happens, so I stopped playing GMod.
Especially after my favorite server died.
e2 May be simpler to use, but I still try to do as much as I can without it.
[QUOTE=ejenks;16839525]e2 May be simpler to use, but I still try to do as much as I can without it.[/QUOTE]
This!
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Just removed wire off my server for that exact fact as well.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;16839331]Wire in general has made me stop playing GMod all together.
Every time I go into a server, everyone is quietly standing still in a corner or something doing nothing but oh so cool wire. I don't remember the last time anything happened that was fun in GMod.
One day I got tired of searching for servers where shit actually happens, so I stopped playing GMod.
Especially after my favorite server died.[/QUOTE]
So you don't for a moment consider a moment maybe Wire is entertaining, and quit playing GMod because of it.
I don't get it, did it not occur to you that maybe if so many people use it, it might be interesting?
It's like saying: "o no we shouldnt maek computrs bcause it does too much think for us and makes us use the fun instead of throwing rocks at eachother"
While I have rarely used E2 and barely touch wire I still used it every once in a while and I like to see the stuff that people have made with it, such as the Mech walker E2 made by, Karbine, I believe. Or perhaps it was made by someone else and they lended it to Karbine to use in his mechs. Either way I would say that wire and such has definately added some extra stuff to do in garrysmod and I like it. A bit boring to always sit there making horses and stuff out of tools and making cars out of bathtubs. I like new additions to garrysmod. As agreed with above user, er 2 posts above, just because some people use it and make kickass turrets and air planes that pilot themselves and shit, and you are in the corner still making cars with wheel stools and cardboard boxes, doesn't mean you have to cry that they are better than you and then go and post that you have quit gmod because of it, hoping that it will make people very sad that they have lost a very important person in the community and will immediately stop using it.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;16841598]So you don't for a moment consider a moment maybe Wire is entertaining, and quit playing GMod because of it.
I don't get it, did it not occur to you that maybe if so many people use it, it might be interesting?[/QUOTE]
It would be entertaining if something entertaining happened.
Someone making a screen where you can press 2 buttons and add them is not entertaining.
And that's all I see these days.
what do you call fun?
Honestly i barely see anyone using e2. Soo far the only use of e2 ive seen was:
1. A following e2 which was not original and everybody copied
2. Soem godly guy who made a really long e2, only guy i saw who made an original e2.
[QUOTE=Kybaltalt;16811882]In the E2. You people really should appreciate what you can do with an E2. Just because they aren't being creative with E2s doesn't mean that E2s are bad. Hell without E2s, how do you know that they wouldn't be building something uncreative without E2s. Honestly. Also, I am somewhat interested, could you perhaps give me the IP of the server in question?[/QUOTE]
I don't think E2's are so bad necessarily, but personally I think I there's a lot more creativity in seeing what you can do with just the original props and as little wire as possible.
That being said, some of the things I've seen in E2 are amazingly creative, others less so.
Sure thing.
203.24.101.75:27015
It's an Australian server, so good luck with the high ping and such :P
[QUOTE=new92;16846009]what do you call fun?[/QUOTE]
Car races, flying machines, fort wars, robots, and things that actually move are all fun.
A chip and a screen that can tell my my player model is not fun.
[QUOTE=Stephen304;16846705]Honestly i barely see anyone using e2. Soo far the only use of e2 ive seen was:
1. A following e2 which was not original and everybody copied
2. Soem godly guy who made a really long e2, only guy i saw who made an original e2.[/QUOTE]
I got a couple of 200-300 lines long E2's...
i stick to the old fashioned way, Advanced pod controller and thrusters. That's how i built my plane ^_^
Saying E2 ruined GMOD is like saying Word ruined literature.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;16844954]It would be entertaining if something entertaining happened.
Someone making a screen where you can press 2 buttons and add them is not entertaining.
And that's all I see these days.[/QUOTE]
It's the making of it, and the achievement of overcoming the task you set that's the fun. Sometimes the building itself is more fun than the finished product, interestingly enough.
And stop acting as if Wire is just a way to put numbers on a screen prop. The first thing I made in E2 was very simple to program, and it was a ball that hovered above people's heads. When I pushed the assigned numpad key it came down and smashed them into the ground.
What you're saying is like saying computers are boring because all they do is process spreadsheets. But of course, computers are also tools for entertainment. If they weren't, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
E2 is great for gmod, it expands the possibilities for what you can do. Also it is a great learning experiance as it teaches you about lua coding, whitch is what is required to mkae most if not all the mods you will have ever used.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;16852833]It's the making of it, and the achievement of overcoming the task you set that's the fun. Sometimes the building itself is more fun than the finished product, interestingly enough.
And stop acting as if Wire is just a way to put numbers on a screen prop. The first thing I made in E2 was very simple to program, and it was a ball that hovered above people's heads. When I pushed the assigned numpad key it came down and smashed them into the ground.
What you're saying is like saying computers are boring because all they do is process spreadsheets. But of course, computers are also tools for entertainment. If they weren't, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.[/QUOTE]
Wire does some cool things, I admit. I've seen my friend make a satellite that makes people across the map instantly catch fire. I've seen a car that can teleport anywhere it wants in the map. All of these things are good and fun, but I never see it. When I join servers anymore it's almost as if everyone went AFK, no one is moving at all. And THAT is why it is boring, no one is moving.
[QUOTE=jmazouri;16849378]Saying E2 ruined GMOD is like saying Word ruined literature.[/QUOTE]
So in other words you are saying that people only use E2 in gmod? :downs:
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