Expression 2 ruined Gmod. - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=Stephen304;16846705]Honestly i barely see anyone using e2. Soo far the only use of e2 ive seen was: 1. A following e2 which was not original and everybody copied 2. Soem godly guy who made a really long e2, only guy i saw who made an original e2.[/QUOTE] I find it really hard to use someone elses code, it feels like I have failed. Even if my brother made the code! :v: Therefore, pretty much all of my E2s are made by me, with (rarely) a small amount of code by someone else.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;16856519]Wire does some cool things, I admit. I've seen my friend make a satellite that makes people across the map instantly catch fire. I've seen a car that can teleport anywhere it wants in the map. All of these things are good and fun, but I never see it. When I join servers anymore it's almost as if everyone went AFK, no one is moving at all. And THAT is why it is boring, no one is moving.[/QUOTE] I find that hard to believe, as every server I join seems to have at least one person sticking thrusters and turrets on a jalopy and zooming across the map. I see very few people using E2. Most people just use the basic wire entities, so that they have more control over their contraptions. Without wire, you would run out of numpad keys if you made anything complicated. And just because something has extreme "minge" potential doesn't mean it is bad and should be removed. Should turrets be removed cause they only kill players and break props? Should explosive barrels be removed because someone can spam 100 of them, light them on fire, and crash the server? I fail to see the logic. Admins exist for a reason. [editline]01:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;16818392]Now any idiot can make a controlled prop just by copy pasting something from some wiki. It's stupid.[/QUOTE] And so what if they can? Obviously they are having fun, which is the point of any game. You don't think they should get to have their fun, just because it doesn't interest you? And if they are being minges, find another server where there are admins. And its not like there aren't wire free servers. If you hate it so much, just join one of them.

I've gotta say, i'm pretty damn handy with E2 now after about a fortnight of using it, and i've got all sorts of useful chips for all sorts of situations, but I still mix and match wire and non wire. I've got to say though, I try not to go off on an E2 making bender except in single player. I prefer to make something awesome alone and use it with other people.

Thread TLDR, but i agree/disagree with OP. I like e2 when it simplifies equations and stuff, but this selfaware and prop floating stuff is annoying. Why not learn lua, is my keyword, because its like 80% the same.

No self-aware is one of the best things about E2

I still prefer ent_fire contraptions :)

I don't think E2 is ruining Garry's Mod. It's just progressing what you can do, which is what the human race does. We now have machines that can make things for us, but sometimes it's more fun to do it the harder way that isn't always perfect. E2 will eventually be surpassed or just become less popular when something else comes around.

Who agrees with me that the only people who rant about how "Wiremod has ruined Garrysmod" are always the ones who don't undderstand a fucking thing about it?! Correct me if i am wrong, but all the people who rant about Wire, or specific parts (Mostly Expression) are the ones who can't be pissed to learn it, and just want to rant about it because they feel left out? EDIT: Rombishead, I applaud you, that is exactly what Expression is about, Expression is basically LUA coding In-game, so if you learn Expression Coding, you are halfway there to LUA coding, say, you're own SWeps, then study LUA for a large amount of time and be able to code gamemodes!

[QUOTE=HeavyMtl123;16884695]the only people who rant about how "Wiremod has ruined Garrysmod" are always the ones who don't undderstand a fucking thing about it?! [/QUOTE] <---- Proves you wrong. I could understand the more complicated things in wire if I ever wanted to, though I have always prefered Vanilla.

I think there are two types of wire haters: 1) Those who can't be bothered to learn wire, and are thus jealous or annoyed whenever they see it 2) Those who are quite capable of using wire, but think it makes things too easy Then there are the people under the impression that wire makes people sit around and do nothing exciting anymore, or are just sick of people bragging about their sadly uncomplex wire contraptions. They don't actually hate wire, they hate what people have done to wire.

[QUOTE=Arkaniad;16869195]Thread TLDR, but i agree/disagree with OP. I like e2 when it simplifies equations and stuff, but this selfaware and prop floating stuff is annoying. [B]Why not learn lua[/B], is my keyword, because its like 80% the same.[/QUOTE] Because the server has to have it to use it. Duh. Also, to everyone saying applyForce() is bad or whatever and to people saying E2s are dumb. [media][img]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4456/gmflatgrass0029j.jpg[/img] [img]http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5851/gmflatgrass0030.jpg[/img] [img]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6908/gmflatgrass0031u.jpg[/img] [img]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3751/gmflatgrass0032.jpg[/img] [img]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6903/gmflatgrass0033k.jpg[/img] [img]http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2940/gmflatgrass0034u.jpg[/img] [img]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2668/gmflatgrass0035.jpg[/img][/media] Uses applyAngForce() on each wheel, so the movement is realistic, turns by making the wheels counter rotate. Coding the E2 was fast and easy, and it was very easy to tweak it's speed. GCombat wise, there aren't any thrusters to shoot off to make it instantly stop working. Kept all the wire stuff on that one control board along with 12 entity markers for the wheels.

[QUOTE=Matthew0623;16859531] And just because something has extreme "minge" potential doesn't mean it is bad and should be removed. [/QUOTE] I never said it was bad, I thought that it was fucking incredible and I wanted to make something like that.

Imagination is increased with wire. Theres only so many things you can do with vanilla props and tools. I do agree that wire turrets are stupid and refuse to teach anyone how to make one on my server. For those of you saying wire makes things easy... YOUR ON A COMPUTER. Go build a kit car.

[QUOTE=A Gnome;16887446]Clearly you didn't play with vanilla props much.[/QUOTE] Clearly you misunderstood. There are only so many things you can do with vanilla props,wire,garrys mod and a computer. The limits may grow in size beyond a point where you can actually see there is a limit. A container fort is a container fort. Yours may have battlements and 40 doors. But its still a container fort.

[QUOTE=A Gnome;16887277]Wire fucking sucks and so does PHX. I've used both before, nothing interesting. PHX isn't that useful neither. Do you have any idea what awesome shit you can build using vanilla props? that shit made with PHX and Wire looks too realistic. it's a game, that mainly focuses on imagination and creativity, creating awesome shit that doesn't make any sense. That, and the fact that I can't find a decent vanilla server. and if you go to a server that uses PHX or Wire, you will get kicked because people think that you're a 'noob' for not knowing oh to use Wire, it's extremely aggravating. Hey, I don't have any problems learning it, but for fucks sake, people don't use their imagination anymore, they just spawn a board, Wire the fuck out of it, and then burn\kill other players with it, as it chases them. Remember GMod 9? that shit was fun. Gmod 10 is fun too, but only in SP. [editline]11:09PM[/editline] :rant:[/QUOTE] Review above post.

im gonna sound like the biggest freaking nub here,but what is e1 and e2,hl2 episode one and two?

[QUOTE=falloutguy;16887696]im gonna sound like the biggest freaking nub here,but what is e1 and e2,hl2 episode one and two?[/QUOTE] E1 = Expression Gate 1 E2 = Expression Gate 2 Wiremod stuffs.

[QUOTE=Kybaltalt;16887705]E1 = Expression Gate 1 E2 = Expression Gate 2 Wiremod stuffs.[/QUOTE] oh lol,right before i came back to this page to see if anyone replied,i thought:Hmmm......expression 2....... AHA,e2=expression 2,etc...xD i have no idea how to use them anyway.

I for one really like e2, it made me like sandbox again. Not to mention the crazy stuff you can do with life support on space build with it...

I'd like E2 if it was easier to use. I never got much farther then simple things in E1. I don't want to learn all of this coding just to make contractions that compete on todays level.

[QUOTE=Rares;16888509]I'd like E2 if it was easier to use. I never got much farther then simple things in E1. I don't want to learn all of this coding just to make contractions that compete on todays level.[/QUOTE] You'll probably have to learn it if you want to make any of the really interesting advanced contraptions today. It's pretty easy actually.

Gmod as it is .. was boring to me. I'd built everything possible in it. When I started to learn wire, it became alot more fun making things that I couldn't do with vanilla props. Wire adds more contraptions to build and it gives me a chance to learn something new. Granted, I'm not a wire junky, but wire is good.

Expression 2 lets you program the props to do what you want? What kind of programming is it? is it like Lua or C++? or is it just its own language that you need a book to figure it out?

I found my new favorite thing about Expression 2 chips. Using their model for my Life Support stuff, and then watching as someone spazzs trying to figure out how to use E2 for generating air, coolant, and energy. General Lee; [url]http://www.wiremod.com/forum/wiremod-tutorials/11041-beginners-guide-expression-2-a.html[/url] basic tutorial for E2. good for getting started

I don't like wire mod because i don't use it, nor understand how. I'm good with just making my WWs items that are breakable. E2 may make the game unlikeable for some but other play Garry's mod for wire. My friend uses wire for TONS of very cool and creative inventions that do just a well as simple turrets/whatever. Bottom line is, if you don't like it don't use it. like me.

Yet again I do not know a lot of people who loves spending 6 hours working math and algebraic equations and since I hate math, I avoid wire as much as I possibly can. I also don't know why people aren't smart enough to build seriously in singleplayer so they don't lose their hard work due to a server crash. I've recently quit gmod because of a glitch with adv dup and parenting...

What glitch? Works fine for me with EasyPrecision.

either Easy Precision or Wirelib Weld, I think both works :v:

[QUOTE=General Lee;16889481]Expression 2 lets you program the props to do what you want? What kind of programming is it? is it like Lua or C++? or is it just its own language that you need a book to figure it out?[/QUOTE] In some ways it's like GMod Lua, in some ways it's like C. A background knowledge of GMod Lua is very helpful but you don't need a whole book just to learn it.

Its base syntax is C. if (Condition) {Stuff to happen if condition is true} else {Stuff to hapen if condition is false} owner() is you. owner():pos() is your position as a VECTOR (X,Y,Z)