Expression 2 ruined Gmod. - Garry's Mod

i agree dude ! no one uses wheels thrusters and stuff like that we are really missing the point of physical sandbox !

[QUOTE=Garry's modder;16898164]i agree dude ! no one uses wheels thrusters and stuff like that we are really missing the point of physical sandbox ![/QUOTE] Gmod is not just a fucking physics sandbox. You can do WHATEVER you fucking want. If it was just a physics sandbox, Garry would have never added LUA.

[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;16897766]In some ways it's like GMod Lua, in some ways it's like C. A background knowledge of GMod Lua is very helpful but you don't need a whole book just to learn it.[/QUOTE] You don't need a book to learn lua either.

what is E2? never heard of it before rate me dumb

E2 is Expression 2, for Wiremod.

[QUOTE=Garry's modder;16898164]i agree dude ! no one uses wheels thrusters and stuff like that we are really missing the point of physical sandbox ![/QUOTE] no, it is a sandbox, with physics. there is a difference, as Pedo-Bear pointed out. and the reason no one uses wheels and thrusters is because Wire made more controllable versions, and then E2 made applyforce, which kills the need for them (except that they can look pretty cool with the right models). by your logic, the gyropod (from Spacebuild Enhancement Pack, not the Gyroscope from Wire) is bad, because that has a built in hover, and moves without the player having to add wheels/thrusters.

[QUOTE=Carlisle;16905806]no, it is a sandbox, with physics. there is a difference, as Pedo-Bear pointed out. and the reason no one uses wheels and thrusters is because Wire made more controllable versions, and then E2 made applyforce, which kills the need for them (except that they can look pretty cool with the right models). by your logic, the gyropod (from Spacebuild Enhancement Pack, not the Gyroscope from Wire) is bad, because that has a built in hover, and moves without the player having to add wheels/thrusters.[/QUOTE] Eh i still like the mechanical way to do things, thrusters, motors, wheels and what not. E2 is a very cool, and useful tool. However i like doing it the old fashioned way, but it makes me feal bad because i can't make stuff that performs as well as Wire and E2.

e2 is gay wheres the imagination? wheres the contraptions that garrysmod used to have with welds and thrusters and shit....wire just ruined it can u really call it easeir? i cant with the shit u have todo to get 1 tool working on wire its just lame e2 is a massive minge magnet insta kill fags

[QUOTE=XxNemisis116xX;16920410]e2 is gay wheres the imagination? wheres the contraptions that garrysmod used to have with welds and thrusters and shit....wire just ruined it can u really call it easeir? i cant with the shit u have todo to get 1 tool working on wire its just lame e2 is a massive minge magnet insta kill fags[/QUOTE] Here we have a typical 7 year old gmod player. Please study the way he spells his words, and mixes them together into intelligible gibberish. Also note how he describes things as "homosexual", while the things he is describing in fact cannot have a sexual orientation.

I have no idea how E2 is used, and to be frank I never really want to know [editline]03:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=jmazouri;16920490]Here we have a typical 7 year old gmod player. Please study the way he spells his words, and mixes them together into intelligible gibberish. Also note how he describes things as "homosexual", while the things he is describing in fact cannot have a sexual orientation.[/QUOTE] Also note the X-es in his name.

E2 hasn't ruined GMOD. Just because it takes a while to learn, or takes a bit of time doesn't mean it has ruined GMOD, sure you might get the odd prick that abuses E2, if the server your on had decent admins, you wouldn't have to deal with that problem. Also, you can't say servers are lifeless, or nobody moves. One example would be me going to a Wiremod Innovations server. Absolutely NOBODY was using wire, they were just messing around with jeeps and airboats with a few thrusters. During my small stay at the server I saw one person use wiremod thrusters; only because it had a normal thruster limit. Overall opinion, it hasn't ruined GMOD, if you don't like it don't use it.

"It streamlines building and makes things less laggy." "It doesn't make things easier, you just spend more time coding them." "It allows for more finesse with control setups" "It allows for people who would normally never learn a coding language in their lives engage and understand a simple coding environment" "It allows simply amazing things to be built" I could keep pressing a lot of the advantages of the expression2, but I won't. The reasons against it? "It sidesteps a cornerstone of what made GMOD GMOD to begin with" "It's not realistic" "It allows for too much control over props" "It gives too much to the wrong element!" "I can't do it" They are played out arguments that are heard time and time again. The arguments from the standpoint of basic sandbox GMOD doesn't make sense to me, as any addon falls under that. Try building a reliable contraption without the weight tool - it's possible, but it isn't fun. I'd say it was longing for the days of ent_fire, but most of the people complaining about wire aren't from that era. Realism is a hilarious notion. Nothing in GMOD even comes close to realism. Thrusters, Wheels, and such don't obey Newton's third law. Different weights affect air resistance to the point where you can weight something to be so light, that it floats until it is nudged out of the way. I have never understood why anyone used this argument. As for "It allows for too much control", the wiremod devs included the functions applyForce, applyAngForce, applyOffsetForce, and applyTorque. All of them work like vector thrusters, something that has been around forever. When it was proposed that there be a function entity():setVelocity(V), it was rejected by the Wiremod devs. They don't want to include anything that outright ignores the laws of physics. Unless you understand the motion control stuff for it, you don't get any sort of "control" whatsoever. "It gives the wrong element access to stuff that will kill me!" Since the beginning of time, you've had prop-pushing and dynamite. Those two are good enough at fucking with people to be a mainstay of the mingebag's arsenal. A crude cage, a bunch of invisible spinning traps, duplicatable explosive barrels; all of these things came before wire, and still remain popular. People are going to find ways to fuck with you and kill you regardless, grow a pair. "I can't do it". I contest that you just don't want to try. You don't see the payoff and aren't willing to look up tutorials or ask the right questions to people with open ears. That's fine, I won't pressure you into using E2 - but claiming it's "ruining Garrysmod" is incredibly stupid. Opt out, don't be a douche about it.

E2 Did not ruin gmod, it just ruined the peoples creativity in gmod. Wiremod made gmod better, so did phx. Thats my opinion.

i don't use wiremod or phx, nor really like them enough to use them. you don't hear me bitching about it, so why does everyone else? you DON'T have to use them

If I see a man with the gear above his head and another building a var made of melons and headcrabs, I have more respect for the latter. He understands that Gmod is for mucking about, not coding.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;16939169]If I see a man with the gear above his head and another building a var made of melons and headcrabs, I have more respect for the latter. He understands that Gmod is for mucking about, not coding.[/QUOTE] And coding isn't 'mucking about'? Building a contraption might not appeal to the person with gears over his head. And, of course, he might be using it to simplify a contraption that he's working on. Also lua.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;16939169]If I see a man with the gear above his head and another building a var made of melons and headcrabs, I have more respect for the latter. He understands that Gmod is for mucking about, not coding.[/QUOTE] I don't see why people like you are so dense. GMOD is for DOING WHATEVER YOU WANT. WHAT-FUCKING-EVER. If you like mucking about making shit, then fine, do so. But if we like to do something such as code a chip that flies around playing music, then let us do that.

Expression2 isnt the problem, its the people who use it. I use it sensibly. I make things for defence, however I somtimes give the chip to the wrong people. :-( edit:333 posts.

This maybe is not the main thing in this thread, but could some one help me starting to use E2 and code by myself. (I'm the greatest noob on coding, and I REALLY want to learn some basics.) I've checked out wiki.garrysmod, and stuff like that. But I really don't get it. If some one knows please tell me. My steam name is "Teh AuwlBoy"

[QUOTE=Shibbey;16939169]If I see a man with the gear above his head and another building a var made of melons and headcrabs, I have more respect for the latter. He understands that Gmod is for mucking about, not coding.[/QUOTE] Actually GMod is about doing what you want. The experience of E2 won't be found anywhere else, in any other game.

[QUOTE=Matthew0623;16885774]I think there are two types of wire haters: 1) Those who can't be bothered to learn wire, and are thus jealous or annoyed whenever they see it 2) Those who are quite capable of using wire, but think it makes things too easy Then there are the people under the impression that wire makes people sit around and do nothing exciting anymore, or are just sick of people bragging about their sadly uncomplex wire contraptions. They don't actually hate wire, they hate what people have done to wire.[/QUOTE] Yeah, i pointed out 1 type, i was one off, so sue me :D anyway, good summary of those bastards. [b]EDIT[/b]: Navicko i'll help you, i mean i'm a n00b too, but i know enough to get you started. [b]EDIT2[/b]: Navicko the name you put in came up with no search results, what is your LOGIN name? [b]EDIT3(Oh dear god, ANOTHER one?!)[/b]:[QUOTE=whosdr;16939993]Expression2 isnt the problem, its the people who use it. I use it sensibly. I make things for defence, however I somtimes give the chip to the wrong people. :-( edit:333 posts.[/QUOTE] You're Halfway there to the devil >:D [b]EDIT4(You're shitting me right?)[/b]:[QUOTE=XxNemisis116xX;16920410]e2 is gay wheres the imagination? wheres the contraptions that garrysmod used to have with welds and thrusters and shit....wire just ruined it can u really call it easeir? i cant with the shit u have todo to get 1 tool working on wire its just lame e2 is a massive minge magnet insta kill fags[/QUOTE] I wouldn't class ANYONE who can code in E2 a fag or a mingebag, because in fact they would be smarter than you my small cocked friend.

Im confused by the amount of people who bitch about wire or E2, most of the servers I go on people do piss about, sometimes they piss about with E2 intergrated into it, like a sweet RC car racing circuit, sometimes they just attach thrusters to airboats and crash about. Most of the arguments people are putting forward against wire / E2 don't really make sense, I for one know most good wiremod users will try expanding from there sole knowledge of wire to do something else, if you really hate wire mod or E2 so much you should either find a different game or convert to GMOD9. Most people can live with it, if you can't then don't blame it on wiremod. On a completely off topic note: I am an utter newb when it comes to wiremod and E2, I'm trying to learn both but I don't really understand either very well; I can make simple 3 floor elevators with E2, and no more then a door lock in wiremod, if anyone feels charitable enough to help me, PM me or add me on steam: "Thisissparta1234567890" (I know its a mingebaggy like name, but it seemed the only one that worked. Also if it doesn't work take off the 0 at the end, I can't remember if I added it or not :P)

[QUOTE=ahref;16887499]Clearly you misunderstood. There are only so many things you can do with vanilla props,wire,garrys mod and a computer. The limits may grow in size beyond a point where you can actually see there is a limit. A container fort is a container fort. Yours may have battlements and 40 doors. But its still a container fort.[/QUOTE] Translation : [B]IT IS WHAT IT IS AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IT STILL IS.[/B]

[QUOTE=Shibbey;16939169]He understands that Gmod is for mucking about, not coding.[/QUOTE] and you fail to understand that a sandbox isn't for one thing and one thing over. it is for building what you want and how. just because you don't think it is a good way to build, doesn't mean your right. I don't think you are right that spawning headcrabs, and welding them into a van is fun. I'd prefer having a prop of my choice be able to fly me to the person or location of my choice, simply by typing something in the chat box. Also, what if the person is just making a chip that makes the headcrab mobile randomly change color? Does the van lose anything because to touch the unholy monster that is E2?

I think E2/wire/PHX/whatever haters fail to realize that it is impossible to fulfill everyone's expectations at the same time. They are in minority yet they still expect everyone to fulfill the wishes of a selected few. That's a bit selfish if you ask me. What really messed up GMod in my opinion is that some idiots tried to turn it into a bloody MMORPG and partially succeeded. [QUOTE=Fribox;16889650]I don't like wire mod because i don't use it. (...) if you don't like it don't use it. like me.[/QUOTE] You don't like it because you don't use it and you don't use it because you don't like it? That's circular logic, you know. Ergo, either you unintentionally made a fool of yourself or your way of thinking is a bit messed up.

Pretty much everything in Gmod is fun and I do everything. Wire and E2 are just additions to the fun.

the worst part is when minges get hold of some follower or automatic turret expression , then the server is doomed

[QUOTE=robotwo;16982850]the worst part is when minges get hold of some follower or automatic turret expression , then the server is doomed[/QUOTE] Yeah, that realy sucks, but you know, you can make a car, put a rt camera on it and add hundreds of turrets, that using just numpad and vanilla props, and we would still have a minge killing everyone on the server and ruining the game!

[QUOTE=robotwo;16982850]the worst part is when minges get hold of some follower or automatic turret expression , then the server is doomed[/QUOTE] Take it as a challenge: try to write an expression that can counter the bad guys'.

[QUOTE=amitakartok;16985918]Take it as a challenge: try to write an expression that can counter the bad guys'.[/QUOTE] Those are exactly the kinds of expressions that people use to minge with. Don't hate the expression, hate the player.