[QUOTE=tswg86;44324200]Shits going to go down soon. HZ will never be the same.[/QUOTE]
Threats to HZ?
You admitted to having autism buddy, you dont see us going around making fun of u for it.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44324200]Shits going to go down soon. HZ will never be the same.[/QUOTE]
You sure have a hard-on for Killslick, don't you.
[QUOTE=ThaT_;44324338]Threats to HZ?
You admitted to having autism buddy, you dont see us going around making fun of u for it.[/QUOTE]
Lol, When? to whom?
this kind of stuff just adds fuel to the fire
You only posted this because you god banned for being retarted. Also‚ have some proof. You just went on a rant proving nothing and not only making you look retarted to HZ but also on FP. Have a nice day south.
Threatening killslick will get you no where and by reading this thread you have no idea what you're talking about. Do some research before you post this. You make yourself sound really stupid.
PERP is dead. dont even bother.
Copyrights cannot exist in Garry's Mod.
End of.
As for DMCA's, as I mentioned in my post previously, you cannot copyright work in Garry's Mod, as any work you create has to be completely custom in order for it to file as it's own copyright. This is why gamemodes like Privateer and DarkRP have free-creation licenses which allow users to modify and use the work, but considering the content used by those gamemodes is content provided by Valve, modders, and free-lance modelers/mapper/textures in Garry's Mod, you may not use it for a commercial venture.
This actually brings up a rather interesting dilemma by the way for anyone hosting a gamemode in Garry's Mod, and not using content they created. Take for example the use of materials and models that are not native to the Source Engine, but come from different games. As the community hosts that gamemode and brings in revenue, they are required by law to contact the owners of the content they use, and ask them if it's royalty-free. If it's not, you just broke a law that is punishable with trademark closure and damage-fines.
As for Hellzone... As with any RP server in Garry's Mod, I hold a very special love and hate relationship for servers like Hellzone. I tend to be good friends with some of the mafia families on PERP, but likewise do not care for Killslick. As I have mentioned several times in the past, I do not care for his usage of DMCAs, and find his activities in the RP Community to be negative towards the community as a whole. He also really lacks a spine for negative criticism.
Anyway, just to close this up so it's not a long dramatic debate about how I hate the Garry's Mod RP community, wish you fuckers would start adopting economies, and really hope you stop tax evading before Garry gets the IRS on his ass...
Copyrights cannot exist in Garry's Mod, only creative licenses for the code. You cannot enact a trademark or use any form of "copyrights" to enact a DMCA request when you do not own everything in the gamemode, including models and other content related to other games. If the content was rewritten or recoded by someone, you cannot file trademarks against them. Not even in the sense of the name.
Finally, community nationalism is the plague of the Garry's Mod community. Use your heads, not your goose-stepping feet.
For people who still wish to host PERP or another gamemode that was leaked or just released before hand... Get in touch with the multiple communities in Garry's Mod that run their own server-hosting companies, they have a legal right to reject a DMCA request, and if any attacks are thereby thrusted onto those servers, they also have the right to sue the perpetrators.
[QUOTE=AlexS;44326736]Threatening killslick will get you no where and by reading this thread you have no idea what you're talking about. Do some research before you post this. You make yourself sound really stupid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=garry8021;44326515]You only posted this because you god banned for being retarted. Also‚ have some proof. You just went on a rant proving nothing and not only making you look retarted to HZ but also on FP. Have a nice day south.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ThaT_;44324338]Threats to HZ?
You admitted to having autism buddy, you dont see us going around making fun of u for it.[/QUOTE]
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I don't really give a shit about this drama, but I wanted to correct a shittonne of people in this thread.
Any original work (including scripts) has implicit copyright in all of these countries:
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And if you make revenue off someone else's work, you are required by law to pay royalties.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44328416]And if you make revenue off someone else's work, you are required by law to pay royalties.[/QUOTE]
That depends [b]entirely[/b] on the licence agreement you have with the owner of the content which the majority of which do not require royalties.
Please do everyone a favour and do your research before spouting incorrect legal advice.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;44328427]That depends [b]entirely[/b] on the licence agreement you have with the owner of the content which the majority of which do not require royalties.
Please do everyone a favour and do your research before spouting incorrect legal advice.[/QUOTE]
So someone has a free-license agreement where you can't use something for a monetary venture.
Then what.
You can't take donations or receive money for "packages" in the way that most RP communities presently do, unless you contact every owner and ask them nicely.
The fact these servers hardly own any of the content they are using outside of the code should provide that the entire point of copyrighting and trademarking is just community drama, and pointless.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44328343]Copyrights cannot exist in Garry's Mod.
End of.
As for DMCA's, as I mentioned in my post previously, you cannot copyright work in Garry's Mod, as any work you create has to be completely custom in order for it to file as it's own copyright. This is why gamemodes like Privateer and DarkRP have free-creation licenses which allow users to modify and use the work, but considering the content used by those gamemodes is content provided by Valve, modders, and free-lance modelers/mapper/textures in Garry's Mod, you may not use it for a commercial venture.
This actually brings up a rather interesting dilemma by the way for anyone hosting a gamemode in Garry's Mod, and not using content they created. Take for example the use of materials and models that are not native to the Source Engine, but come from different games. As the community hosts that gamemode and brings in revenue, they are required by law to contact the owners of the content they use, and ask them if it's royalty-free. If it's not, you just broke a law that is punishable with trademark closure and damage-fines.
As for Hellzone... As with any RP server in Garry's Mod, I hold a very special love and hate relationship for servers like Hellzone. I tend to be good friends with some of the mafia families on PERP, but likewise do not care for Killslick. As I have mentioned several times in the past, I do not care for his usage of DMCAs, and find his activities in the RP Community to be negative towards the community as a whole. He also really lacks a spine for negative criticism.
Anyway, just to close this up so it's not a long dramatic debate about how I hate the Garry's Mod RP community, wish you fuckers would start adopting economies, and really hope you stop tax evading before Garry gets the IRS on his ass...
Copyrights cannot exist in Garry's Mod, only creative licenses for the code. You cannot enact a trademark or use any form of "copyrights" to enact a DMCA request when you do not own everything in the gamemode, including models and other content related to other games. If the content was rewritten or recoded by someone, you cannot file trademarks against them. Not even in the sense of the name.
Finally, community nationalism is the plague of the Garry's Mod community. Use your heads, not your goose-stepping feet.
For people who still wish to host PERP or another gamemode that was leaked or just released before hand... Get in touch with the multiple communities in Garry's Mod that run their own server-hosting companies, they have a legal right to reject a DMCA request, and if any attacks are thereby thrusted onto those servers, they also have the right to sue the perpetrators.
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Jeez joe, I normally enjoy your post, but you essentially wrong. As previously mentioned, your work is automatically copyrighted, no matter what framework you use. Artists don't have to pay royalties to the easel creators, Car manufacturers don't pay royalties for the tools they use. Royalties are awarded only under specific conditions, where you are licensed to use the code, and they wish for something in return. Of course you can offer royalties anyway just to keep things sweet.
A lot of people in this thread don't have a clue what copyright is, when it's valid, or what you can do with it. Every piece of work that someone has created is automatically copyrighted. You do not have to register with any law enforcement. However, there are services that exist where you can submit you work, and further updates to prove that it is your work. These services are allowed in court if ever you wish to defend it in a court room.
Copyrights are not linked to a specific URL. Just because a URL is down Jeremy, does not mean the copy right is any less valid. The generic life span of a copyright is 70 years. And this can be extended as many times as you wish.
Copyrights can exist for Garry's Mod! Just like Garry has copyright for Garry's Mod even though he is using Valves code, We have Copyright for our work within his. You don't have to pay Garry royalties as we are not selling his work.
Copyrights are transferable. A person if they wished so could sell or give their copyright to someone else. They don't have to register this with any agency either. As long as there is a paper trail, or both parties (seller and buyer) agree that the copyright was sold, it is valid.
Using PERP without the copyrights holders permission is unlawful.
I don'y understand this attraction to PERP anyway. It is poorly coded. If you want something to gain players, get something original.
I am honestly just sick of the drama regarding PERP.
The entire RP Community as a whole suffers from these constant feuds over who has a better Cops Vs Robbers gamemode, and it's goddamn childish.
My other problem with the whole copyright thing is you also have variants of the gamemode which were recoded by people out of their own expense, and just because of name-sake, they can lose all their hard-work in a fucking minute.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44328539]I am honestly just sick of the drama regarding PERP.
The entire RP Community as a whole suffers from these constant feuds over who has a better Cops Vs Robbers gamemode, and it's goddamn childish.
My other problem with the whole copyright thing is you also have variants of the gamemode which were recoded by people out of their own expense, and just because of name-sake, they can lose all their hard-work in a fucking minute.[/QUOTE]
Same here. I think it's unfair to pin it all on one person, but the DMCA's definitely fuelled it.
And is the name PERP trademarked? If people have recoded the gamemode, they cannot DMCA it just because of a name. And if people can tell, I would probably put time into creating a perp look a like gamemode just to piss Kills off.
[QUOTE=dingusnin;44328543]Same here. I think it's unfair to pin it all on one person, but the DMCA's definitely fuelled it.
And is the name PERP trademarked? If people have recoded the gamemode, they cannot DMCA it just because of a name. And if people can tell, I would probably put time into creating a perp look a like gamemode just to piss Kills off.[/QUOTE]
Last I checked hunts traded it off to venom, venom traded it off to killslick. I am unsure if their is an actual copyright on the namesake, because last time it was seen it was only a pre-register.
And yeah, I would say do the same thing, but with what Garry said, what with that he'll blacklist people's servers for having similar gamemodes under different name-sakes, it might be a feeling toward a few coders that they don't want to step on someone's foot for trying to break off from PERP, but still have a PERP gamemode.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44328566]Last I checked hunts traded it off to venom, venom traded it off to killslick. I am unsure if their is an actual copyright on the namesake, because last time it was seen it was only a pre-register.
And yeah, I would say do the same thing, but with what Garry said, what with that he'll blacklist people's servers for having similar gamemodes under different name-sakes, it might be a feeling toward a few coders that they don't want to step on someone's foot for trying to break off from PERP, but still have a PERP gamemode.[/QUOTE]
Put down your pitchfork Joey, you haven't quite got everything together.
When it comes to PERP there are only certain aspects that can be deemed as under copyright, ie specific styles of programming and the way many functions are written (see: generic loops and so on cannot be used). PERP has enough depth that un/fortunately the script can be copyrighted.
However that's not to say someone couldn't quite happily write something which imitates roughly the design and gameplay (See: Every knockoff ever, supermarket cola and so on) and actually call it PERP as the trademark is not implied (there's more to this which people can dig up themselves) nor has it been explicitly registered.
Also I doubt Garry actually cares.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44328416]And if you make revenue off someone else's work, you are required by law to pay royalties.[/QUOTE]
No its not lol he legally was sold the gamemode. If I write a book and sell the writes to publish the book you dont have to pay "royalties"
He started posting bad links on our forum to get peoples IP's and DDOS them. Everyone watch out.
[QUOTE=dingusnin;44328517]
Copyrights are not linked to a specific URL. Just because a URL is down Jeremy, does not mean the copy right is any less valid. The generic life span of a copyright is 70 years. And this can be extended as many times as you wish.
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Of course, I never intended to portray that just because a URL was down, that it didn't exist, infact, I was just trying to prove even more that Pulsar-Effect copyright still existed. Thank you for the in-depth explanation of some things though, and I hope the OP will read this and get the picture.
[QUOTE]And is the name PERP trademarked? If people have recoded the gamemode, they cannot DMCA it just because of a name. And if people can tell, I would probably put time into creating a perp look a like gamemode just to piss Kills off.[/QUOTE]
The name PERP doesn't seem to come trademarked, but if you reverse engineer PERP in some form or fashion, then it's illegal.
[QUOTE=ThaT_;44331187]No its not lol he legally was sold the gamemode. If I write a book and sell the writes to publish the book you dont have to pay "royalties"
He started posting bad links on our forum to get peoples IP's and DDOS them. Everyone watch out.[/QUOTE]
Whatever happened to not being scared?
[QUOTE=tswg86;44331736]Whatever happened to not being scared?[/QUOTE]
This kid is a DDOSer lol
[QUOTE=Jeremey Kingrey;44331497]Of course, I never intended to portray that just because a URL was down, that it didn't exist, infact, I was just trying to prove even more that Pulsar-Effect copyright still existed. Thank you for the in-depth explanation of some things though, and I hope the OP will read this and get the picture.
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Sorry if it felt like I was attacking you. You made it seem as if a copyright was linked to a URL, that's all I was pointing out.
[QUOTE=Jeremey Kingrey;44331497]but if you reverse engineer PERP in some form or fashion, then it's illegal.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;44333941]Not exactly.[/QUOTE]
If you invent a car and i take the car and put a dent in the car does that mean i can sell it under another name and get copyrights to it? No.
If we own a gamemode and you take it and edit the code, your still breaking the copyrights.
I truly, honestly, went to go get some popcorn to eat whilst reading this thread.
Perp, with all its copyright and moral issues aside, is simply terrible. I am sure it was good then, but then drama happened and it was barely updated, full of bugs, and it got far worse with gmod 13.
To be honest, I wish more communities were like GM_tower. sure its not perfect, but they know what they are doing both with their code and with friendly leaders.
[QUOTE=ThaT_;44334049]If you invent a car and i take the car and put a dent in the car does that mean i can sell it under another name and get copyrights to it? No.
If we own a gamemode and you take it and edit the code, your still breaking the copyrights.[/QUOTE]
This is a horrible analogy. Also, you should probably use correct grammar while arguing or else you seem retarded.
[QUOTE=ThaT_;44334049]If you invent a car and i take the car and put a dent in the car does that mean i can sell it under another name and get copyrights to it? No.
If we own a gamemode and you take it and edit the code, your still breaking the copyrights.[/QUOTE]
If you take the car, learn how it works and puts out a version that is similar but not quite the same (where it matters) , then yes you can.
How else do you think we have variants of everything?
Likewise I can reverse engineer a program to understand the basis of how it works and implement my own version with that understanding. There must also be enough depth to the gamemode or at least components that would then constitute copyright, for example HUD artwork, algorithms within the code and so on.
I'm with Joey on this one. You can't just say its copyrighted and have it protected by law. You legally have to go through a process of having it copyrighted.
Anyone who is in hold of illegal copies and hosting I would encourage you to do so. Killsick does not have that much money to pay off that many attorney fee's(If his old man threat is for real). Garry's Mod is not a bit coining operation cow killslick makes it out to be, its a video game with a community behind it.
This thread doesn't touch down on any of the lingering irony.
Killslicker sends out half-assed dmca's to every damn perp server he can find, claiming he has a copyright over the gamemode.
Since GSP's don't want to get into any legal trouble, they usually just forward the dmca notice to the mentioned parties.
What people don't notice is killslick himself breaks the apparent laws he is trying to uphold.
Almost every time the hz perp server is updated, it's from leaked code smashed into whatever version he has running.
A little while ago when acecool was developing for hz - he added some nifty lights for all the cars, those are still being used today.
Acecool was also developing some custom net system thinger on one of killslicks servers privately.
I don't know if acecool had shown killslick the code or if killslick had noticed himself, but killslick took the code and used it on his perp server without ace's permission.
At first acecool didn't mind, but when killslick booted ace out of the community for apparent admin abuse, ace filed a dmca right back onto killslick which lasted a few days (until he was compensated).
Killslick changed the ip of his server several times in an attempt to avoid the dmca and keep his server up, which is illegal.
Redmist had created a car customization script for underscore gaming a while back. This server eventually shut down on its own, and the gamemode was passed on to Dr. Glitch.
After a little while with no luck of any player base, Glitch decided to give away the gamemode on his website, which became one of the more popular leaked versions.
HZ's server now has that same car customization script.
The best example i found, back in gmod 12, was when i had a dump of hz's clientside lua and found a file that still had the copyright header from Imperial Community.
I notified the owner of IC of this to make sure they weren't just swapping code, and killslick just removed the copyright header as soon as he could. (He wasn't supposed to be using it)
Killslick also didn't have a valid "license" to run perp before he bought the rights to it, Venom has confirmed that.
The main issue here is that while creative copyright is a thing and you don't have to do anything to get it, it's virtually impossible to actually prove that you're the creator when it's something like a lua script. It's plain text that anybody can type out.
Edited to add more meat:
I don't agree with the tactics of these communities/persons that resort to DMCAs and DDoSing because of immitation. What happened to good old competition? It's simple. All you have to do is be better and eventually it'll benefit you.
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The Fuck Hellzone Manifesto.
