Hah. Narwhal, it's worse than that. I'm on GME Build right now and about two hours ago a couple squeakers came on begging for admin claiming they were popular tubers who wanted to make the server popular. I of course denied it and after 5 minutes or so they left.
Narwhal put it perfectly. It's the children that are ruining the community, but there's not really much you can do about that.
[QUOTE=Vipes;47463805]I'm trying to make Q3A popular, but people don't want to play arena shooters apparently. I even want a mutator script for it, but I don't have the dosh to ask someone to code it.[/QUOTE]
as an area/competitive/fast paced fps player outside of gmod, they're dead enough as it is and i can't imagine it'll ever get popular in gmod (though i suppose it might help get an audience towards the game, but most people know about quake live and still avoid it)
[QUOTE=TestECull;47465327]Hah. Narwhal, it's worse than that. I'm on GME Build right now and about two hours ago a couple squeakers came on begging for admin claiming they were popular tubers who wanted to make the server popular. I of course denied it and after 5 minutes or so they left.[/QUOTE]
I have kiddies recording on my TTT all the bloody time and I love when they ASK for permission to record. Like, Garry states it's a game you are free to make money and record on. If you ask, I'll say no.
[editline]5th April 2015[/editline]
I think the biggest issue I have is when a big group of people come into a TTT server with themed names, like 10 different characters from MLP(yes, I know, ew MLP) or Transformers.
[QUOTE=TestECull;47465327]Hah. Narwhal, it's worse than that. I'm on GME Build right now and about two hours ago a couple squeakers came on begging for admin claiming they were popular tubers who wanted to make the server popular. I of course denied it and after 5 minutes or so they left.[/QUOTE]
I had something similar happen, except I looked up their twitch and they had two viewers, and I said "two viewers huh" and they left immediately
[QUOTE=Zambies!;47465434]I had something similar happen, except I looked up their twitch and they had two viewers, and I said "two viewers huh" and they left immediately[/QUOTE]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkAmDy251doYl3DyrWbGeCw/videos]This is apparently the channel that was supposed to bring in mad donations and make GME Build ridiculously popular.[/url]
I can't help but laugh. I have more subscribers and I haven't uploaded anything in two months!
The plague of the youtube-reenacter kiddies should have a name. I'm taking suggestions.
[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47465317]My opinion: It's dying in player quality, not quantity. All the little children watching Pewdiepie, Minx and Markiplier play game modes improperly on their own private servers and then copying how they play on Public servers really hurts the community. The community is beginning to be dominated by these Youtuber-Clones who think it's okay to play like the way Mark, Pewds and Minx(other youtubers included) do on public servers, breaking rules like Ghosting, RDM, Ect.
My thought? Youtubers stop playing, Garry's Mod becomes that game no one really pays attention to anymore, people pick it up while it's on sale and give it a whirl and learn to play properly and not play how an idiotic Youtuber plays it, maybe the community will go back to normal.[/QUOTE]
Fuck this pisses me off, it isn't the youtubers, it's the five year olds that follow.
Why should youtubers have to stop playing because of the five year olds who copy? If you've ever seen the youtubers do it, they have lots of fun, and so do the people who watch it.
Why blame someone for having fun and sharing it.
The entire problem are the uneducated stupid kids who copy and make their own shit servers etc.
I have an idea on how to weed out these shitty servers, now like all the ideas, it's flawed, but I'm still gonna try it.
[sp] I'm still working on the idea but will post it when I have finalized it [/sp]
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;47465646]Fuck this pisses me off, it isn't the youtubers, it's the five year olds that follow.
Why should youtubers have to stop playing because of the five year olds who copy? If you've ever seen the youtubers do it, they have lots of fun, and so do the people who watch it.
Why blame someone for having fun and sharing it.
The entire problem are the uneducated stupid kids who copy and make their own shit servers etc.
I have an idea on how to weed out these shitty servers, now like all the ideas, it's flawed, but I'm still gonna try it.
[sp] I'm still working on the idea but will post it when I have finalized it [/sp][/QUOTE]
I'll exclude Markiplier since he has a partial view on the people and not money when I say that honestly, if you looked at them 1 year before their first Garry's Mod video and asked "What are your thoughts on Garry's Mod?" half of them will look at you like you've gone mad and go back to what they were doing. They were all so ORIGINAL until they happened upon Garry's Mod, which then invited, what, Pewdie's now, I'm not going to bother checking, 20million+ fanbase. Now all him and his fanbase, and other big time youtubers who most likely are working for the money(I'm excluding any of you smaller youtubers should any be here) do is fuck up the community. It's like Happy Wheels all over. Half of the Happy Wheels levels turned into "PEWDS PLAY THIS" or "MARK PLAY THIS" instead of ACTUAL CONTENT.
[editline]5th April 2015[/editline]
Also, going to continue my response on this. Who said they were having fun? Faking fun is pretty simple when the thought of "All the Ad Revenue because I'm an over 1 million sub youtuber" can kind of go to your head to the point you don't think about the fun you're having while playing a game, you're thinking of the fun you can have with the revenue.
I know SeaNanners did it all the fucking time, but do many Gmod youtubers glorify rule-breaking? Like, he RDMed a lot in his old ttt videos that have over a million views and it's really disheartening
Can we make a Garry's Mod called "JRMod" where the kiddies/big name youtubers go and do what they want with Garry's Mod's gamemodes, while we go back to normal?
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;47465846]I know SeaNanners did it all the fucking time, but do many Gmod youtubers glorify rule-breaking? Like, he RDMed a lot in his old ttt videos that have over a million views and it's really disheartening[/QUOTE]
I'm not supporting the people who go RDM.
But last time I checked, they were on servers with no one but themselves, so its not their fault, they are allowed to rule break if it's just them on a server, they are all friends and are having fun. Its the kids who see this and do it on public servers full of randoms, you can argue that they shouldn't record it, but its there job.
I haven't seen much YouTube in a long time, especially GMod so I have no idea what people do, but last time I checked, yogscast docked around on private sandbox servers, seananners dicked around on empty servers, markiplier docked around on empty prop hunt servers.
I've never seen a video (admittly I haven't seen much videos) where they have pissed someone of in the game, they are all on Skype and having fun.
Don't blame the youtubers, blame the stupid kids who do it.
Its like blaming pro race car drivers for teenagers who drift through town and crash into things/people, its not the race car drivers or the TVs fault, its the stupid kids.
This is exactly the video game argument.
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;47465902]I'm not supporting the people who go RDM.
But last time I checked, they were on servers with no one but themselves, so its not their fault, they are allowed to rule break if it's just them on a server, they are all friends and are having fun. Its the kids who see this and do it on public servers full of randoms, you can argue that they shouldn't record it, but its there job.
I haven't seen much YouTube in a long time, especially GMod so I have no idea what people do, but last time I checked, yogscast docked around on private sandbox servers, seananners dicked around on empty servers, markiplier docked around on empty prop hunt servers.
I've never seen a video (admittly I haven't seen much videos) where they have pissed someone of in the game, they are all on Skype and having fun.
Don't blame the youtubers, blame the stupid kids who do it.
Its like blaming pro race car drivers for teenagers who drift through town and crash into things/people, its not the race car drivers or the TVs fault, its the stupid kids.
This is exactly the video game argument.[/QUOTE]
It's their fault if they're promoting that kind of behavior to their masses and ruining an entire community/how a game works.
[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47465908]It's their fault if they're promoting that kind of behavior to their masses and ruining an entire community/how a game works.[/QUOTE]
Just like GTA promotes violence?
[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47465908]It's their fault if they're promoting that kind of behavior to their masses and ruining an entire community/how a game works.[/QUOTE]
that's like blaming an rdmer on a very popular server for people who rdm on all servers ever
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;47465925]Just like GTA promotes violence?[/QUOTE]
No.
A child watches a popular Youtuber to play a game a certain way, they will play that game a certain way. If a kid watched Pewdiepie play a game as an assassin character, they're more common to buy the game and to play as an assassin character. GTA isn't a person. GTA is a game. Pewdiepie, indirectly is a person, who impacts that masses more than a video game does.
[editline]5th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;47465936]that's like blaming an rdmer on a very popular server for people who rdm on all servers ever[/QUOTE]
Not really. If they're doing it on their own accord, okay. But if some kiddie comes on saying they bought the game cause Markiplier plays it, then proceeds to play as Markiplier does, you blame the person who taught them that method of playing.
GTA provides entertainment, as well as youtubers.
A child watches YouTube for many reasons, including entertainment. In no way do those youtubers suggest that the way they play, is the proper way, they aren't how to videos, they are entertainment videos, hence why they are tagged under entertainment and not tutorial.
GTA doesn't tutor you in how to act in real life
Those type of youtubers don't tutor you how to act in Garry's mod
The kids choose to act that way.
Stop blaming the youtubers and realize its 100% the kids fault.
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;47465959]GTA provides entertainment, as well as youtubers.
A child watches YouTube for many reasons, including entertainment. In no way do those youtubers suggest that the way they play, is the proper way, they aren't how to videos, they are entertainment videos, hence why they are tagged under entertainment and not tutorial.
GTA doesn't tutor you in how to act in real life
Those type of youtubers don't tutor you how to act in Garry's mod
The kids choose to act that way.
Stop blaming the youtubers and realize its 100% the kids fault.[/QUOTE]
It promotes how a person is having fun while not following rules. GTA has no rules, so there's no way NOT to play it. Garry's Mod servers have rules, but kiddies ignore it because they play how their "idol youtubers" play it.
[editline]6th April 2015[/editline]
Because they see how much fun Youtubers are having with eachother and think EVERYONE ELSE plays like that, when they don't.
gmod server rules are as arbitrary, if not more arbitrary than GTAs, "don't spam on mic" might not mean anything outside of garry's mod (thus mean nothing to a new person to gmod) but GTA's laws are quite literally laws and "don't run someone over" translates pretty well in and out of GTA
the argument is dumb, you can't say for sure kids on gmod act a certain way because youtubers do it, it's probably an influence but you can't just say "more people are rule breaking, so it is happening", and trying to treat it as a black and white, yes or no answer is even more dumb
[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47466014]It promotes how a person is having fun while not following rules. GTA has no rules, so there's no way NOT to play it. Garry's Mod servers have rules, but kiddies ignore it because they play how their "idol youtubers" play it.[/QUOTE]
Ugh, you can't blame the youtubers for having fun.
Youtubers don't promote anything.
Youtubers record themselves having fun on an empty server (usually anyway, the ones I'm fighting for right now) with their friends who are all having fun. They don't say "you too can have fun, go play GMod and be like us". Yes, they do it also for money, no shit, are you telling me that if you were in their shoes making all that money and being famous, you would stop? You must be batshit crazy.
Should professional free runners etc be blamed for people injuring them self attempting dangerous acts that they saw them do on YouTube?
Its the kids fault for seeing the videos on YouTube and then thinking that its fine to play like that. They have no common sense.
So as a dev who's thinking about leaving Source I thought I'd share my perspective.
I've been playing since 2009, mostly on serious RP servers but I pretty much stopped being a regular after 2011. I've definitely noticed the drop in quality, and a lot of devs I know - modellers, scripters and mappers - are moving to new engines. Part of the reason is, the easiest addons and ideas have already been made. Most of us like to try and introduce something new instead of rehash it, so in general we just keep stretching the limits of the engine to create fresh ideas. [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1459296]I'm helping do my part, but I'm considering having this be my last map for Source.[/url] This is because of the outdated nature of the engine- you start getting diminishing returns. It becomes harder and harder to create original, worthwhile content, because our freedom is limited.
So most of the devs and modders I know, who still had a passion for developing, decided to go independent; take their respective talents and take advantage of the infinite potential + easy accessibility of UE4 and Unity... where they then self-publish a shitty 2d puzzle-platformer and beg for Patreon money. No offense if any of them are reading this, but the oversaturation of that market is a whole new problem. IMO it's an entire gold sink for talented developers.
So anyway, as a result, the people who [i]want[/i] to innovate can only meet their needs in other engines. I've seen this leave GMod with the young developers who [i]don't[/i] (or can't) create original content. Getting paid lots of money to create [random adjective]RP is much more lucrative than creating a custom gamemode, especially when you have no competition, so that's what floods the community. Serverowners then created this whole culture around buying the most expensive addons, downloading whatever's the most popular, and pandering to the lowest common denominator, so that just fuels the demand for more of the same.
I've seen this happen on a smaller scale with a few other sandbox games. Now I'm just speculating based on experience, but I think that it's too late for the GMod community to 'repair' itself. Indie publishing has pushed the community-created-content genre past the point of no return - it's easier, it's cheaper, and seemingly more profitable (it's not, but more on that later). IMO, the community is going to stagnate fast. The market for the 'remix' culture will burn itself out; the children get older, find a bigger attention span, and get bored of the same 3 gamemodes, so they stop playing. Since there's not enough significant developers left to inject original content, and there would be a decreasing audience for the rehashed content, there's just not anything else being introduced. Everyone but hardcore fans would just find new games, probably ones that don't exist just yet.
That might seem dark, but one possibility I haven't seen yet - once the experienced developers get tired of having almost no market for their shovelware self-published games, maybe they'll come back.
I believe Source 2 and VR will save us.
[editline]5th April 2015[/editline]
That and Arcade. Arcade is pretty much a GMod contained in a game cabinet.
The magnitude of the response to this thread proves that OP is wrong, imo.
I think Gmod will always be popular with the kids cuz of the whole sandbox thing.
Me, I've moved onto greener pastures with SFM, I feel like a lot of people who were into Gmod for posing and screenshotting have.
[QUOTE=AnonTakesOver;47466062]Ugh, you can't blame the youtubers for having fun.
Youtubers don't promote anything.
Youtubers record themselves having fun on an empty server (usually anyway, the ones I'm fighting for right now) with their friends who are all having fun. They don't say "you too can have fun, go play GMod and be like us". Yes, they do it also for money, no shit, are you telling me that if you were in their shoes making all that money and being famous, you would stop? You must be batshit crazy.
Should professional free runners etc be blamed for people injuring them self attempting dangerous acts that they saw them do on YouTube?
Its the kids fault for seeing the videos on YouTube and then thinking that its fine to play like that. They have no common sense.[/QUOTE]
Are you a special kind of stupid? Posting a video of them playing a game mode improperly to a group of inexperienced fans within a GAME, once again I say A GAME, since all you seem to want to do is compare it to a real life situation in which actual people can be harmed(referencing back to your previous comment about GTA and Violence). When kiddies see a game played, they try to clone how that game is played because it's JUST A GAME, but in Garry's Mod's case, it's a community, not just a game, and they're weakening the community.
[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47467219]Are you a special kind of stupid? Posting a video of them playing a game mode improperly to a group of inexperienced fans within a GAME, once again I say A GAME, since all you seem to want to do is compare it to a real life situation in which actual people can be harmed(referencing back to your previous comment about GTA and Violence). When kiddies see a game played, they try to clone how that game is played because it's JUST A GAME, but in Garry's Mod's case, it's a community, not just a game, and they're weakening the community.[/QUOTE]
Yes I admit it was a bad analogy, sorry.
I'm bad at getting my point across.
But I strongly believe that its the kids fault and not the youtubers fault.
[QUOTE=bran92don;47460054]It makes me want to buy a server only dedicated to spoofing players on a bunch of random servers and literally just spamming the living [B]****[/B] out of the top gamemodes section. I won't do that though cause not only is that retarded as [B]**** [/B]it is also wrong.[/QUOTE]
This is the internet. You can swear here.
[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47467219]Are you a special kind of stupid? Posting a video of them playing a game mode improperly to a group of inexperienced fans within a GAME, once again I say A GAME, since all you seem to want to do is compare it to a real life situation in which actual people can be harmed(referencing back to your previous comment about GTA and Violence). When kiddies see a game played, they try to clone how that game is played because it's JUST A GAME, but in Garry's Mod's case, it's a community, not just a game, and they're weakening the community.[/QUOTE]
What? That's like saying you watched somebody do something in a video and then you copy them. Liability is not on the person who made the video but the person who reenacts the behavior. Your logic makes me cringe. Calling the other poster a special kind of stupid is astonishing.
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[QUOTE=figeon;47468573]What? That's like saying you watched somebody do something in a video and then you copy them. Liability is not on the person who made the video but the person who reenacts the behavior. Your logic makes me cringe. [/QUOTE]
THERE IS DIFFERENT LOGIC WITH A GAME. You're not going to do something stupid(unless you really are stupid) in real life when you see someone else do it unless it's something safe.
I'm not saying jump off a bridge, I'm saying that if a child watches a video game that has a general rule set, such as Gmod, being played by idiots who don't know what rules are there for and are only there for the money that the game provides them that they can sit at home, make a video of them, and make hundreds of dollars off that, it's going to rub off on the child that that's how the game is played and everyone else is an idiot for not playing that way so they do as they want.
-snip- I'd prefer not getting banned again for a comment like that.
[editline]6th April 2015[/editline]
To add a slight portion onto this, as I feel it's needed, I'd love to see them attempt to play on my TTT. If they played how they do on their private servers, even if I knew if it was them or not, I'd send them straight to the perma-ban list without questioning it. We give large Youtubers too many privileges on public servers and allow them to do as they like simply because they're "popular." If they want to display how this server "disrespected their authoritah"(and yes, I spelled it like that on purpose), and they want to "end my Garry's Mod server" because they're salty they got banned because I don't want to bend to their every will, go right ahead, do as you like.
Like a lot of people said here, It's the lack of creativity. Lots of gamemodes like Stranded and Morbus got buried really quickly under DarkRP, Prophunt and TTT. Many people create unique ideas and creations but it doesn't get enough attention to make it viral. Also the lack of good workshop content.
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