I don't think Gmod is quite dead yet. I'm using it for developing a nice open-source RP gamemode which will be available to use for any purpose by any community or standalone server. It's not a framework like Nutscript or a DarkRP "edit" - in fact I find it way more interesting than DarkRP.
Of course, as always, only believe me when you see it. There won't be a WIP thread.
[QUOTE=RzDat;47469130]Like a lot of people said here, It's the lack of creativity. Lots of gamemodes like Stranded and Morbus got buried really quickly under DarkRP, Prophunt and TTT. Many people create unique ideas and creations but it doesn't get enough attention to make it viral. Also the lack of good workshop content.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I don't think its a lack of creativity. I see people working on interesting gamemodes everywhere. I do however agree with your second statement, its the rate at which new gamemodes get buried under those that are played so much.
Hell, even i've put together three or four gamemodes by hand. Yeah, they may not be the best, but they're still really fun, and the rare people who play them agree with this statement.
Take my first gamemode for example, Puzzles. It was popular for a good 6 months, until gamemodes like TTT and DarkRP buried it at the bottom of the server list.
Or my TF2Ware port, (was poorly put together, but still fun). Never got a chance. Even after it was remade, still , no players.
Finally, Ultimate Dodgeball, nicely put together, silly, bouncy, how garrysmod should be , still buried at the bottom of the server list.
I think the problem isn't lack of creativity, but as you put it, how fast the creativity is being covered up by the same thing.
Its hard to find a needle in a haystack.
I also really miss the silly, goofy style garrysmod used to have.
Look at gamemodes like Extreme Football Throwdown. [B]THAT[/B] gamemode is what I think garrysmod should be treated like, a joke, funny. Not all of this [I]srs rp pls donate vip[/I] bullshit.
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[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;47469296]developing a nice open-source RP gamemode[/QUOTE]
stop code.
[QUOTE=RzDat;47469130]Like a lot of people said here, It's the lack of creativity. Lots of gamemodes like Stranded and Morbus got buried really quickly under DarkRP, Prophunt and TTT. Many people create unique ideas and creations but it doesn't get enough attention to make it viral. Also the lack of good workshop content.[/QUOTE]
Thats not to say TTT is unoriginal. I've never played a game like TTT before and props to Bad King Ugrain for making such a spectatular gamemode
[QUOTE=Exho;47469700]Thats not to say TTT is unoriginal. I've never played a game like TTT before and props to Bad King Ugrain for making such a spectatular gamemode[/QUOTE]
The whole idea was pretty much taken from some movie. He didn't think of it himself.
[QUOTE=Leystryku;47469707]The whole idea was pretty much taken from some movie. He didn't think of it himself.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't make the gamemode any worse though.
Rolling back to the Serious RP point:
SeriousRP is certainly possible, and it's certainly fun. There is just an overabudance of servers who say "SERIOUS RP" with tons of hastsune miku outfits
talking liek this XD
The game is thriving with a huge playerbase nowadays. Unfortunately, everything else about it is pretty much dead in terms of quality. The community is a MASSIVE cesspit, there is no creative content being made, and the Gmod developers themselves have pretty much halted development.
Gmod is basically a zombie at this point. The core of it died a long time ago, but its still 'alive.'
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;47456694]I can only expand on what was said above and previous times this subject has come up; pretty sure Garry's Mod is one of the top played games on Steam, but a lot of the players are currently very young
There isn't any incentive for people to make new creative gamemodes because it's very hard to get off the ground, unless you're lucky to be noticed by youtubers. It's not very inspiring, especially when gamemodes take a LOT of work and there'll always be some cunt who renames DarkRP to something related to a shitty fad and get tons of players within a day
Like, not to be rude, most of the gamemodes that get posted in Addons & Releases lately have either been 1. roleplay related, 2. huge concepts with lots of ideas but no sign of release or gameplay, or 3. Looks cool but doesn't gain much interest and quickly gets buried, which is the biggest shame in my opinion[/QUOTE]
I don't really play Garry's Mod anymore besides to muck about in Sandbox but I'd always look at the server browser and see TTT and roleplay being the only things with a lot of players.
The Lua API in Garry's Mod is enough to make whole new games that you can download just by joining the server. To see that much potential go to three different types of gamemode is very sad.
[QUOTE=RzDat;47469130]Like a lot of people said here, It's the lack of creativity. Lots of gamemodes like Stranded and Morbus got buried really quickly under DarkRP, Prophunt and TTT. Many people create unique ideas and creations but it doesn't get enough attention to make it viral. Also the lack of good workshop content.[/QUOTE]
Morbus was a sci-fi TTT. You look for the person who acts suspiciously and wants to kill you when your back is turned.
Stranded was poorly made and kinda reminds me of a worse version of Rust.
[QUOTE=System Guy;47470528]The game is thriving with a huge playerbase nowadays. Unfortunately, everything else about it is pretty much dead in terms of quality. The community is a MASSIVE cesspit, there is no creative content being made, and the Gmod developers themselves have pretty much halted development.
Gmod is basically a zombie at this point. The core of it died a long time ago, but its still 'alive.'[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much the perfect analogy for Garry's Mod. It's alive in a way that it's still moving, but everything that made it what it is died years ago. All that's left for it is to shamble around a little bit while the Venturius Vanossidon genus of mosquito attempts to suck it dry and young tweenagers/toddlers that don't know any better keep throwing AK47s, air horns, and stuffed teddy bears at it.
[QUOTE=Freezebug;47469374]
stop code.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's too far advanced for me to want to stop now. I'll release it whether people are interested or not - someone will find a use for it.
it may not be dying as for player count but it is in creativity. gmod coders used to have this amazing mindset to find stuff out on their own, create it for their community or releasee it for free. all that just for fun.
nowadays people just don't want to learn how to code, or, they just do it to make money out of it.
So I am blaming codehire/scriptfodder for this.
if you're going to throw this ' well do something about it! ' argument at me then just don't reply because you can't 'fix' this mindset and it will probably stay like this till gmod dies.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;47470695]I don't really play Garry's Mod anymore besides to muck about in Sandbox but I'd always look at the server browser and see TTT and roleplay being the only things with a lot of players.
The Lua API in Garry's Mod is enough to make whole new games that you can download just by joining the server. To see that much potential go to three different types of gamemode is very sad.[/QUOTE]
Jerking off to good k/d rates is easier than either working on something really creative or help working on it by testing/supporting, after all.
You won't believe how many people on a buildserver without a minimum hour requirement and weapons enabled try to stuff your butt with bullets when they join for the first time.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47471386]Morbus was a sci-fi TTT. You look for the person who acts suspiciously and wants to kill you when your back is turned.
Stranded was poorly made and kinda reminds me of a worse version of Rust.[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying how these gamemodes were viral for like a few months until being buried under Prophunt, TTT and DarkRP.
From my experience, Morbus was a bit more fun than TTT since as a human you had to go places (eat, shower, sleep, shit etc) and you never know if the guy who walked with you the whole time was killed recently. Mostly if you see his corpse then see him walking alive, you know he's an alien. It had a good concept and i played it a lot.
You're kinda right about Stranded but it was pretty decent and it had its good hours.
I'm not saying TTT is bad, hell no. I kinda wish it will be the only one who stayed viral.
Too bad of a shame that Garry's Mod got discovered by the youtubers and before you know it, boom thousands of bad addons, soundguns and so on. I played over 4.500 hours on G-mod so I am defo a veteran. (And not even having played on any DarkRP server in a long term.)
Garry's Mod isn't dieing it's just like throwing your candy to little kids.
I only wish that Garry's Mod will be soon saved under all this stuff :<.
[QUOTE=Nope guy;47474613]Too bad of a shame that Garry's Mod got discovered by the youtubers and before you know it, boom thousands of bad addons, soundguns and so on. I played over 4.500 hours on G-mod so I am defo a veteran. (And not even having played on any DarkRP server in a long term.)
Garry's Mod isn't dieing it's just like throwing your candy to little kids.
I only wish that Garry's Mod will be soon saved under all this stuff :<.[/QUOTE]
Youtubers were here [i]long[/i] before me or you were. We were shithead kids too, once.
[QUOTE=iwancoppa;47466983]The magnitude of the response to this thread proves that OP is wrong, imo.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately Iwancoppa, the rest of the world has forgotten us builders of things. For scripting, modelling, and mapping are so much more interesting then pushing the bounds of the physics engine with things that move at unimaginable pace (sometimes faster than what some can code), or things that push the bounds of both creativity and scale, without creating additional code structure to support it.
I've witnessed people respond to threads with "why make something out of props, that's stupid". This is a sandbox game, you can do what you wish. That's what's gone. Many of us get stuck in fads or think that TTT and ShitRP are all that this game has to offer, yet despite Source's age, it's a pretty sophisticated engine. I know of very few physics engines that can do things like calculate the force of air drag on an object using the faces and their angles with the direction of motion.
The game still has a strong playerbase, the fact that it's the 5th most played game on steam speaks for itself.
Now, the community is pretty much, as it has been said before in this thread, a zombie, nowadays the average server hoster only cares about kids getting their mum's credit card to buy perks for DarkRP or whatever they sell nowadays, nobody is interested in hosting old gamemodes. TTT can be fun (I am very fond of TTT myself) but as it goes with everything, after a while it gets boring, expecially when you're playing the same 3 maps over and over.
What happened to Fortwars, Flood, Dogfight, Pirate ship wars? You tell me Facepunch.
Personally I express my creativity in garrysmod nowadays by making forts and bases with interesting wiremod things and challenging people to break into them. There are so many kids playing Darkrp that only know how to buy guns and how to shoot people that I'm never in short supply of challengers. The only thing I dislike is the influx of idiots who get frustrated by my bases and try to (sometimes successfully) get me banned. I built a base on a roof once and made it so that if you failed to get a keypad code right, the door would open. If you cracked the keypad however, it would drop you and you'd die from fall damage. I got banned because some 12 year old player complained to a 12 year old admin and I got banned for having an impossible base.
I've largely moved away from doing garrysmod stuff in favor of spending my time coding and building things. It's much more rewarding to me.
It's not dying, not even close to dying.
It's just that the same shit is getting old now.
[QUOTE=Loures;47478379]The game still has a strong playerbase, the fact that it's the 5th most played game on steam speaks for itself.
Now, the community is pretty much, as it has been said before in this thread, a zombie, nowadays the average server hoster only cares about kids getting their mum's credit card to buy perks for DarkRP or whatever they sell nowadays, nobody is interested in hosting old gamemodes. TTT can be fun (I am very fond of TTT myself) but as it goes with everything, after a while it gets boring, expecially when you're playing the same 3 maps over and over.
What happened to Fortwars, Flood, Dogfight, Pirate ship wars? You tell me Facepunch.[/QUOTE]
there is servers for all of those gamemodes except dogfight, which nobody has managed to fully fix yet that i know of.
Y'all need to quit bitching and take a good look around for once
[QUOTE=legendofrobbo;47479348]except dogfight, which nobody has managed to fully fix yet that i know of.[/QUOTE]
"Take a good look around!"
I fixed dogfight a long time ago :v
[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=288399121"]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=288399121[/URL]
Was too good to just let die.
[QUOTE=TpsTheHunter;47479056]It's just that the same shit is getting old now.[/QUOTE]
And DarkRP isnt ' the same shit everytime '?
[QUOTE=Freezebug;47479997]"Take a good look around!"
I fixed dogfight a long time ago :v
[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=288399121"]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=288399121[/URL]
Was too good to just let die.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know for sure since i'm not really interested in dogfight so i not really gonna go seek it out am i
We should try to get together and revive some old game modes. Yeah as of right now ShitRP and TTT are the top two game modes but that doesn't mean we can't bring back the things we enjoyed about Garry's Mod. As most people say don't just bitch about it, do something about it, well I for want to attempt to help the community out. I was talking to Exho the other day about hosting his new gamemode when it comes out. Things that like can go a long way.
Example look at GM tower and what they did with this "shitty engine" that we have.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47462232]Ever since the "standardised" methods of selling your work have appeared, developers who can actually make cool and unique things seem to have been pushed to the back in favour of developers who can make DarkRP modifications and awful TTT scripts because "wow i pay mone 4 dis, its bestest!". Servers seem to largely be a dick measuring contest based on how much you've paid for your run of the mill scripts. Why make unique things for free that will be buried under an avalanche of paid for shovelware?[/QUOTE]
This, very much this, but apparently i was a dick for voicing that concern in the Scriptfodder thread :v:
Also, wow, conna, figures.
[QUOTE=Jojje;47467011]I think Gmod will always be popular with the kids cuz of the whole sandbox thing.
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But the little kids never play sandbox, they just act like dicks in DarkRP and TTT.
[QUOTE=Freezebug;47469374]
Look at gamemodes like Extreme Football Throwdown. [B]THAT[/B] gamemode is what I think garrysmod should be treated like, a joke, funny. Not all of this [I]srs rp pls donate vip[/I] bullshit.[/quote]
The funny thing it isn't even actually serious. It's just a shitty DarkRP remake with a disguise slapped on top. It's more akin to an RPG really than real roleplay.
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;47480352]And DarkRP isnt ' the same shit everytime '?[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's only been over five years. I don't think we have gotten tired of people calling out RDM every thirty seconds so or my favorite part of having 11 year olds run around rp_downtown screaming NLR when they are being chased down by hobos with rocket launchers.
:rock:
Garry's Mod is great,
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17839069/C_288.png[/t]
I believe however we should consider bringing back projects like [B]`Fretta`[/B]
The fact that people don't know what the [B]Fretta[/B] gamemode is, [B][I]scares[/I][/B] me.
If we had a competition once and a while to see who is the [B][U]real lua king[/U][/B], for cash prizes.
People will want to contribute to a community project( I.E. Fretta 2.0 )
We need competitions to compete against coders to win prize money to contribute to gmod as a whole.
We need more [I]community[/I] feed back.
[B]Twitch[/B] is an excellent tool for marketing a game. Yet, I am tired of looking at [B]Twitch[/B] streams that are not English. Garry's Mod should not be only spoken in french on twitch....
I also want to say that after getting to know the main circle of real lua coders out there, I can conclude with a combined effort... Us [B]Lua Kings[/B] can create together something that will reach beyond just Garry's Mod.
:pwn:
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