Redirect / Fake Server Report Megathread - ALL FAKE SERVERS POSTS GO HERE - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=TFA;52058461]You are not the victims. One of the largest concerns since the start of this whole fiasco was the false ping readings, which mislead users for your personal gain. These tunneling servers are effectively the same, and there was no reason you should've expected to be treated differently. I'm honestly really curious: do you actually believe you're in the right here?[/QUOTE] I have concerns if you think I'm playing the victim in a post where I say where we fucked up and that it wasn't safe.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52057678]Same I don't think it should be expected to remove our one US listing [I]before[/I] the main IPs become allowed again, would be cleaner to just coordinate a swap over with RB to unban the main IPs/hosts and remove the final proxy servers at the same moment, because we do have a huge player base that we wouldn't want to cut off for x amount of time. Obviously we would need his agreement on that, too and not just our proposal. I still haven't seen him input anywhere here or respond to us.[/QUOTE] Why should RB or facepunch for that matter even have to come to an agreement with you in the first place, owning a garrys mod server is not a right...it's a privilege and you are ruining that privilege for the next server owner who is unfortunate to get that blacklisted ip from one of the proxies you will probably stop paying. Please stop feeling so entitled, the community may be starting a witch hunt but by the same token you are being a genuine scumbag....think before you act. TL;DR Actions have reactions and apparently SUP think they are above the rules.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52058604]I have concerns if you think I'm playing the victim in a post where I say where we fucked up and that it wasn't safe.[/QUOTE] It sounded a whole lot to me like you wanted sympathy based on a semantic difference, when the message from Rubat was clear: stop faking servers ( implicitly, keep each server to one server listing on the browser. ) Just because you're diverting traffic in a different way doesn't make it more legitimate.

[QUOTE=lNloruzenchi;52058212]So ah... Why not try range bans instead? [editline]4th April 2017[/editline] It's probably easy to put a system to get notified that a server is range-banned when you join From them just PM a mod to get whitelisted [editline]4th April 2017[/editline] Easy for the join message I mean. Range banning would be a task to setup I realize[/QUOTE] Other hosts should not in any way be affected by SUP's bullshit. That includes expecting them to ask to be whitelisted. That's completely unacceptable.

How long has this whole redirecting thing been going on with SUP? I feel like if it been a long time then SUP have received a significant advantage over other servers which has led to their clear dominance of the darkrp server lists for a long time. Not to mention the fact that they have been misleading all of their users into thinking the server is hosted nearby but resulting in a shit ping.

[QUOTE=blu3duck;52059322]How long has this whole redirecting thing been going on with SUP? I feel like if it been a long time then SUP have received a significant advantage over other servers which has led to their clear dominance of the darkrp server lists for a long time. Not to mention the fact that they have been misleading all of their users into thinking the server is hosted nearby but resulting in a shit ping.[/QUOTE] Couple months. SUP's player base has been well established before we started going into other regions besides the US. [QUOTE=blu3duck;52059322][B]all[/B] of their users[/QUOTE] ?

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52059331] ?[/QUOTE] Obviously not everyone was effected by it but it's not like you made it clear [(edit) to them that] that's what you were doing. Even now people appear to be misinformed about the whole situation ([url]http://img.blueduck.pw/i/y56ye.png[/url]). I feel like it might be worth admitting to your community in particular what you've done instead of just on this thread. But that's just me.

[QUOTE=blu3duck;52059374]Obviously not everyone was effected by it but it's not like you made it clear [(edit) to them that] that's what you were doing. Even now people appear to be misinformed about the whole situation ([URL]http://img.blueduck.pw/i/y56ye.png[/URL]). I feel like it might be worth admitting to your community in particular what you've done instead of just on this thread. But that's just me.[/QUOTE] You're taking a singular quote that is decidedly making a meme of the situation from a location that has no context. I respect your words, but there actually is a discussion on our forums about it.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52059415]You're taking a singular quote that is decidedly making a meme of the situation from a location that has no context. I respect your words, but there actually is a discussion on our forums about it.[/QUOTE] I took the first comment I saw in the shoutbox. I also looked at that "discussion" and I can't really see any acknowledgements of any wrongdoings by you or any of the others. [B]Edit:[/B] I'm only saying this stuff because, with all the respect, your community clearly do not understand the situation and are bashing facepunch for it thinking they've blacklisted the servers just because the server is popular (using evidence from the first comment saw I in the shoutbox, which may have just been unfortunate, but also the replies to your "discussion"). I'm not here to start drama. [B]Edit:[/B] Also I'm a assuming that said "discussion" is said this thread titled "How To Find Us" ([url]https://forum.superiorservers.co/topic/121/how-to-find-us/[/url])

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52059331]Couple months. SUP's player base has been well established before we started going into other regions besides the US.[/QUOTE] Firstly, the redirect were first moaned about (but put up even before) [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1516664&p=50913408&viewfull=1#post50913408"]8 months ago[/URL], not a "couple". Secondly - while that is true, it seems you rely on the redirect servers for off peak player count and your peak player count seems to of dipped a bit when they have been off. Gosh from looking at the thread way back you had the cheek to put region tags of the location of the redirect server - rather than the actual location of the server they were redirected to [I](notice the date of the post)[/I]. [IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/5f6865cb8104a8835216712d8f7c852c.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52059331]Couple months. SUP's player base has been well established before we started going into other regions besides the US. ?[/QUOTE] In the last page you seemed to be willing to make a deal to stop redirects and stop being blacklisted. If there's no update on that, could you make a proposal of that? What steps would SUP be willing to take and what would you expect from RB after these steps have been taken? We (or just RB) can then discuss this proposal and add shit like what will happen if SUP puts the redirect servers back up and how they are to communicate new ideas on redirect server related things (namely on the forums instead of PMing RB).

I would've / would be satisfied if they simply made it blatant that they were an American server via the use of [US] tags. Their apparent dislike of this idea says to me that they might rely on redirect servers for their player count much more than they want to admit.

[QUOTE=Frankie46;52061206]I would've / would be satisfied if they simply made it blatant that they were an American server via the use of [US] tags. Their apparent dislike of this idea says to me that they might rely on redirect servers for their player count much more than they want to admit.[/QUOTE] They did this for about a week then those servers got blacklisted.

Been out of the loop on this topic for a few days (since it moved to this thread), my 2 cents: Superior Servers needs to make a public apology where they explain what they did, why it was not liked, and most importantly acknowledge that by repeatedly doing it more than twice, they were in the wrong. This apology should be visible mainly to SUP users, because any other way is just worthless - if they won't admit this directly to their users, they will just continue to assume that SUP is great and FP is a bunch of assholes. [b]This apology should happen now, no ifs or buts or bargaining. Everything else comes after.[/b] It's the only way to establish that SUP truly acknowledges the situation. After that, a "deal" can be established. This deal would pretty much just be SUP going back to being a regular server that is only ever listed once in the server list. There should never, ever, be 2 different IPs that sent you to the same server. I don't see why this deal would be tricky to execute, but we can talk about that later.

I asked willox on steam months ago and asked if I could start doing this when SUP started and he said he didn't care and now robot boy is saying you can't do it? So I can understand where king is coming from saying he wasn't given a clear answer. Also SUP do not just dominate because of their redirect servers, they dominate because of there custom content and other things; and to deny that is just rude and stupid.

[QUOTE=F14;52061600]I asked willox on steam months ago and asked if I could start doing this when SUP started and he said he didn't care and now robot boy is saying you can't do it? So I can understand where king is coming from saying he wasn't given a clear answer. Also SUP do not just dominate because of their redirect servers, they dominate because of there custom content and other things; and to deny that is just rude and stupid. Having shitty script fodder addons and having pay to win content is far more worse then having redirect servers (in my opinion). If you get redirected and don't like it then you can leave. With SUP most people stayed as they didn't feel any lag from the optimisations and they enjoyed the server. Anyway it's still wrong they should close them but everyone stop making such a big deal out of it...[/QUOTE] So you can leave when they are redirect servers but your logic just gets thrown out when they are p2w or using Scriptfodder addons? :toadleave:

I also don't see how this can be considered a Mexican standoff, facepunch can attack (i.e. blacklist servers) without putting itself at a disadvantage.

[QUOTE=NeatNit;52061709]I also don't see how this can be considered a Mexican standoff, facepunch can attack (i.e. blacklist servers) without putting itself at a disadvantage.[/QUOTE] Blacklisting doesn't work well.

[QUOTE=scottd564;52061738]Blacklisting doesn't work well.[/QUOTE] Well, what's the alternative? [editline]5th April 2017[/editline] And it doesn't matter how well it works; it's still not a Mexican standoff. Plus, a Mexican standoff involves THREE parties.

[QUOTE=John Reese;52061704]So you can leave when they are redirect servers but your logic just gets thrown out when they are p2w or using Scriptfodder addons? :toadleave:[/QUOTE] You can leave any server you dislike, but the point is SUP is a good server and don't deserve to be shit talked over something so small.

[QUOTE=F14;52061754]You can leave any server you dislike, but the point is SUP is a good server and don't deserve to be shit talked over something so small.[/QUOTE] The quality of SUP's content is not at discussion here, it's their practices.

[QUOTE=code_gs;52061751]a Mexican standoff involves THREE parties.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_standoff]no[/url].

[QUOTE=FPtje;52061780][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_standoff]no[/url].[/QUOTE] Huh, you learn something new every day. In the U.S., people usually use Mexican standoffs to imply [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYAGTdeceYM"]three people[/URL].

[QUOTE=F14;52061754]You can leave any server you dislike, but the point is SUP is a good server and don't deserve to be shit talked over something so small.[/QUOTE] This has no relevance to your previous point. Sounds like you're just mindlessly defending SUP at this point tbh. Let me make it clear that I don't care too much about this whole debacle, I'm not trying to attack or defend SUP but merely trying to understand your argument which seems flawed. I think people know that SUP is a pretty good server in the pool of crappy servers you'll find...

[QUOTE=F14;52061754]You can leave any server you dislike, but the point is SUP is a good server and don't deserve to be shit talked over something so small.[/QUOTE] I would argue that potentially taking clueless players from a market (australia / europe) via false advertising isn't something "so small".

Why doesn't SUP just make servers in different regions. You have the money, stop being an idiot and pissing off a developer for, and a decent chunk of your game's community. If you almost always have full servers, it won't hurt you. [editline]5th April 2017[/editline] Not claiming they're always full though.

[IMG]http://image.prntscr.com/image/d74cb298edfc49f99a2976ddef20f1b5.png[/IMG] Why are they still changing there names lmao? [IMG]https://endpoint895270.azureedge.net/static/publishingimages/about-tetra-pak/cases/soup.png[/IMG] - erior Servers [B]Oh and, yeh we won. It's now sitting on that pleasant 290 ping.[/B]

The real solution is forcing servers to be associated with a valid Steam account that has Garry's Mod to be listed on the server listing, and banning the entire account from ever getting servers on the list should they fuck around. Extend the bans manually to other accounts as needed.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;52062882]The real solution is forcing servers to be associated with a valid Steam account that has Garry's Mod to be listed on the server listing, and banning the entire account from ever getting servers on the list should they fuck around. Extend the bans manually to other accounts as needed.[/QUOTE] Yes. That way, if/when this happens again, we actually have the power to do something about it besides infinitely update a blacklist. CS:GO already does this

[QUOTE=NeatNit;52061447]Been out of the loop on this topic for a few days (since it moved to this thread), my 2 cents: Superior Servers needs to make a public apology where they explain what they did, why it was not liked, and most importantly acknowledge that by repeatedly doing it more than twice, they were in the wrong. This apology should be visible mainly to SUP users, because any other way is just worthless - if they won't admit this directly to their users, they will just continue to assume that SUP is great and FP is a bunch of assholes. [b]This apology should happen now, no ifs or buts or bargaining. Everything else comes after.[/b] It's the only way to establish that SUP truly acknowledges the situation. After that, a "deal" can be established. This deal would pretty much just be SUP going back to being a regular server that is only ever listed once in the server list. There should never, ever, be 2 different IPs that sent you to the same server. I don't see why this deal would be tricky to execute, but we can talk about that later.[/QUOTE] I can see explaining the situation in its entirety without any "Sorry" or "Sorry-not-sorry" swings in it, but an apology seems pointless, our players firstly play because they love the server and the community surrounding it, not because they have a hardon for Penguin, Scott and I, and definitely not based on some other people on some forum they don't care about saying what our morals are. I can also tell you right now, it's a long shot asking us to approach our new foreign regulars who enjoy SUP and essentially say "sorry you connected, and sorry you liked it, as fate would have had it you were never supposed to see our server." Everybody that's in SUP obviously knows we're in the US, it's a no-brainer once you're actually in the community. [QUOTE=Frankie46;52062082]I would argue that potentially taking clueless players from a market (australia / europe) via false advertising isn't something "so small".[/QUOTE] The issue with this logic (bear with me, I recognize the chief complaint about the servers themselves) is that the players aren't "taken", if they join it doesn't mean they're our players and nobody else's. Regardless of their means of connecting to a server they still have the freedom to decide if their ping or the server's content or community isn't something to their taste, and they can move on. [QUOTE=FPtje;52061205]In the last page you seemed to be willing to make a deal to stop redirects and stop being blacklisted. If there's no update on that, could you make a proposal of that? What steps would SUP be willing to take and what would you expect from RB after these steps have been taken? We (or just RB) can then discuss this proposal and add shit like what will happen if SUP puts the redirect servers back up and how they are to communicate new ideas on redirect server related things (namely on the forums instead of PMing RB).[/QUOTE] Sure. What steps would be taken? No more servers that could be interpreted as one that players ultimately don't end up on, be it tricks of networking or forcible game reconnection. No more blacklist. What would we expect from RB? Actually communicating.