Redirect / Fake Server Report Megathread - ALL FAKE SERVERS POSTS GO HERE - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52062969]What would we expect from RB? Actually communicating.[/QUOTE] what the fuck [img]https://vgy.me/MDf2dC.png[/img]

[QUOTE=TFA;52063001]what the fuck[/QUOTE] If you have followed along at all you'd see that the post you are showing was acknowledged and he is most likely talking about the messages that lead up to the current situation. In-fact, it has been acknowledged multiple times.

-not even worth arguing- :snip:

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52062969] The issue with this logic (bear with me, I recognize the chief complaint about the servers themselves) is that the players aren't "taken", if they join it doesn't mean they're our players and nobody else's. Regardless of their means of connecting to a server they still have the freedom to decide if their ping or the server's content or community isn't something to their taste, and they can move on. [/QUOTE] That's not true and you know it. From a purely profit-oriented standpoint (which is what SUP makes; a profit), players are money cows. You milk them for anything they can give you and there's a limited number of them at any given time. Yes they're free to come and go but you'll never get that sweet sweet player-milk if they never arrive in the first place. This is doubly true for new players. You guys know this and that's why you've [I]faked the pings[/I] to put your servers at the top of the list. That is, unless you have another reason to fake the ping.

The pings were less faked than just not properly reproduced. The ping people saw was the response time to the virtual server, it wasn't modified to some arbitrary number. And, as much as I know you and others here will deny this because we're apparently big bad businessmen, no. There's no community without the players. While we've made the servers our job, you can rest assured knowing that the community is the most important thing to us in running SUP.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52063240]The pings were less faked than just not properly reproduced. The ping people saw was the response time to the virtual server, it wasn't modified to some arbitrary number. And, as much as I know you and others here will deny this because we're apparently big bad businessmen, no. There's no community without the players. While we've made the servers our job, you can rest assured knowing that the community is the most important thing to us in running SUP.[/QUOTE] And putting redirect servers in each country right? :hurr:

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52063240]While we've made the servers our job, you can rest assured knowing that the community is the most important thing to us in running SUP[/QUOTE] Thanks, I can rest easy knowing that people using a cheap bait and switch method for luring people into their admitted cash cow really have my back.

So what's the situation with people that have redirect servers they haven't shut down after being warned? Lots of criticism toward Stoned Penguin and SUP but I still definitely see NoxiousNet servers even if it is through the Steam server list, have they also had their main IP banned? Edit: Off-topic I have no idea why my IP is showing as Saudi Arabia when I'm in the UK.

Perhaps I'm just a big meanie, but I don't see the point in talking to StonedPenguin or KingofBeast about this stuff. Not only will they not concede and have gone back on their word prior, but their opinion is irrelevant. They've done shitty things, and so they were dealt with. If they continue to do things, we report their current IP's and give suggestions on how to go after these redirect servers. Trying to convince them of anything is pointless.

[QUOTE=Alex_grist;52063859] Edit: Off-topic I have no idea why my IP is showing as Saudi Arabia when I'm in the UK.[/QUOTE] The redirect servers strike again

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52063240]The pings were less faked than just not properly reproduced. The ping people saw was the response time to the virtual server, it wasn't modified to some arbitrary number.[/QUOTE] What is it with people who support this practice arguing semantics? No, you didn't actually fake the pings, you [I]effectively[/I] "faked" the pings by using these redirection methods as what the client saw was in no way representative of what their actual connection was going to be in the end (both latency wise and actual host they were connecting to). It's a dirty trick to siphon some players from regions that are bound to have a bad user experience due to latency. And considering you consider this an actual job, damn fuckin' straight people are going to say you did it for the money. Running redirects costs practically nothing compared to spinning up entire servers in new regions (no real load, no real costs). But it allows you to increase your playerbase, increasing your community, increasing your profits. No matter how you try to split hairs, you are effectively tricking players into joining a server outside of their region by mirroring the state of a populated server as if it was in their region, with no warning that they are going to end up connected to a host elsewhere. Garrys' Mod communities acting as business are a fucking joke holy shit. I see more ethical practices from back alley street surgeons.

[QUOTE=Alex_grist;52063859]So what's the situation with people that have redirect servers they haven't shut down after being warned? Lots of criticism toward Stoned Penguin and SUP but I still definitely see NoxiousNet servers even if it is through the Steam server list, have they also had their main IP banned? [/QUOTE] Several people have kept saying they have redirects again but haven't even posted the ips of them, I no longer see the redirects in the AU region and as far as I know their main ones were not blacklisted because they had apparently stopped the redirects after the final warning from Robot, so if these redirects are actually reported then they would be blacklisted along with their main.

[QUOTE=The Commander;52065049]Several people have kept saying they have redirects again but haven't even posted the ips of them, I no longer see the redirects in the AU region and as far as I know their main ones were not blacklisted because they had apparently stopped the redirects after the final warning from Robot, so if these redirects are actually reported then they would be blacklisted along with their main.[/QUOTE] I posted images and IP already in the Next Update thread but here are the IPs of their servers once again. 51.254.209.54:27050 It's already banned from GameTracker due to being a mirror server.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52062969]I can see explaining the situation in its entirety without any "Sorry" or "Sorry-not-sorry" swings in it, but an apology seems pointless, our players firstly play because they love the server and the community surrounding it, not because they have a hardon for Penguin, Scott and I, and definitely not based on some other people on some forum they don't care about saying what our morals are.[/quote] The apology would be to your players, that your actions caused the blackouts that made them unable to connect, which was entirely preventable. The important thing is that you take the blame for this whole fiasco do that it doesn't fall on FP - it's not RB's fault that he had to blacklist you. Edit: just wanted to phrase this a little bit differently. At the end of the day the only victims of the blacklisting are your players. They were unable to participate in the community that they love. Your irresponsible actions are the cause of this, so you should apologize to them. Facepunch doesn't need your apology, a hollow "sorry" would hardly accomplish anything. But if you really care about your community as much as you claim, you should [b]want[/b] to apologize to them. [QUOTE=KingofBeast;52062969]I can also tell you right now, it's a long shot asking us to approach our new foreign regulars who enjoy SUP and essentially say "sorry you connected, and sorry you liked it, as fate would have had it you were never supposed to see our server." Everybody that's in SUP obviously knows we're in the US, it's a no-brainer once you're actually in the community.[/QUOTE] They can still connect, and always could. Just because your server isn't at the very top of the servers list doesn't mean it's 100% inaccessible.

[QUOTE=Alex_grist;52065093] 51.254.209.54:27050 [/QUOTE] As promised: thank you.

[QUOTE=scottd564;52056965]We left 24 hours ago. We have talked to some Australian developers and they've made it clear they don't give a shit about the whole situation. If the servers were so hated we wouldn't retain so many people from the Oceania region. Yes, they know it's a US server. Yes, I know it's about Rubat warned everyone at the end of the day etc etc etc. Please don't speak for the rest of Australia. The only place SUP is now proxying is located in the same region as the central server and that's just because the main IPs are always being blacklisted (you didn't think a community would just give up right?). It would be nice to get in contact with someone and sort this out along with some fixes that could hinder anyone (and us) in the future. No one at FP seems to respond to anything and that's possibly because Rubat has the time to blacklist us 46 times in two days but not to respond. Dedicated.[/QUOTE] I am confident that the 2 biggest Australian Garry's Mod communities are not happy with the redirects at all. It's not just the biggest servers - there are [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=182835]some[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=718589]others[/url] that are happy to talk about it too.

[QUOTE=The Commander;52065049]Several people have kept saying they have redirects again but haven't even posted the ips of them, I no longer see the redirects in the AU region and as far as I know their main ones were not blacklisted because they had apparently stopped the redirects after the final warning from Robot, so if these redirects are actually reported then they would be blacklisted along with their main.[/QUOTE] The redirects from noxious were brought up again after the final warning, rebanned because of Alex_grists posting about them and there main servers still remain not banned.

[QUOTE=NeatNit;52065578]The apology would be to your players, that your actions caused the blackouts that made them unable to connect, which was entirely preventable. The important thing is that you take the blame for this whole fiasco do that it doesn't fall on FP - it's not RB's fault that he had to blacklist you. Edit: just wanted to phrase this a little bit differently. At the end of the day the only victims of the blacklisting are your players. They were unable to participate in the community that they love. Your irresponsible actions are the cause of this, so you should apologize to them. Facepunch doesn't need your apology, a hollow "sorry" would hardly accomplish anything. But if you really care about your community as much as you claim, you should [b]want[/b] to apologize to them. They can still connect, and always could. Just because your server isn't at the very top of the servers list doesn't mean it's 100% inaccessible.[/QUOTE] Lets be honest, what is an apology from these two going to do? These two have already gone back on their word and are ready to play the game of spite and semantics to justify their wrongdoings, so the time for giving a sincere apology has vanished. The best you're going to get, if committed, is not going to be a genuine shedding of ego and learning from mistakes. They've proven that they only way you're going to be able to stop them is through bans. Personally, and may be a little bit of a tangent, but I'd probably advance forward like this: 1.) Tie servers to Steam accounts a la CS:GO and TF2. 2.) Ban offending IP's. 3.) If they don't get it, ban the hosting steam accounts from hosting servers [I]period[/I]. 4.) If they still don't get it, ban more of the offending steam accounts and hardcode a ban for their personal Steam accounts. Make life difficult. Make them have to use a ton of alts to be able to use the game. The reason I'd personally be harsh isn't because I've got beef with the two despite what my first paragraph may lead one to believe, but because it's so easy to [I]not[/I] do something. Sometimes, when told not to do something, the only way you can mess that up is if you go out of your way to do said thing. That's what's happening right now. These people have to go through the effort of spinning up redirect servers even after having said themselves that they would stop and even after being told by Robotboy to stop. It's a complete slap in the face to the community and to the staff that have to clean up after their mess, so they deserve to be treated the same way. Now, again, things wouldn't have to be this way if they just stop what they're doing. I personally don't care if they apologize nor do I want them to apologize. All they have to do is stop. And if they stop, there's absolutely no reason to continue grilling them for any reason, and anyone who tries to shake an apology out of them needs to get over it.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;52066432]Eh[/QUOTE] They already said they stopped running any redirects in other countrys and only one located in the US, since it's where their main server is and they aren't just gonna bring down that one and screw there players. I doubt they will ever bring down their US Redirect server acting as their main server without the main servers IP's being unbanned so essentially we will have to wait and see what happens, no point of people keep saying "We want you to bring down the rest of your redirects" when they clearly aren't going to bring down their last redirect which as I said earlier, Acts as their main server right now.

So this is coming from someone who is not as up to date on the whole drama. Is there any main reason Superior is keeping this up even when they've been told to knock it off? They're not bad people, or dumb in the slightest as they have contributed to the community on multiple parts (for example the Gamemode Competition I hosted). So why keep this game up? They're a big community, I doubt the redirects are going to lose them a massive chunk of players.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;52066865]So why keep this game up? They're a big community, I doubt the redirects are going to lose them a massive chunk of players.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NootNootEh;52066676]I doubt they will ever bring down their US Redirect server acting as their main server without the main servers IP's being unbanned so essentially we will have to wait and see what happens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;52066432]:snip:[/QUOTE] That's exactly the point. Until now their users have been completely in the dark, so they could go around being assholes and breaking the rules all day long and as long as in the bottom line they were still up, they were pretty much in the clear. If their users are actually informed, then suddenly they can't do that - if they go back on their words, they've not only betrayed facepunch (for the 100th time), they would also be betraying their users, [i]directly and openly[/i]. Presumably they don't want to wreck their users' trust in them, so they'll never break the rules again. The only reason they'd NOT want to inform their users is if they have plans to break the rules again.

[QUOTE=Noi;52067306]what[/QUOTE] betray (verb): To prove faithless or treacherous to, as to a trust or one who trusts; to be false to; to deceive

[QUOTE=Noi;52067306]what[/QUOTE] perhaps he is referring to the time when penguin told us all there wouldn't be any more redirect servers and then they came back

Again though, why would users already part of a community care about how the community shows up in their server browsers? Where I can understand it's unacceptable to some people in FP, the severity of this is being grossly misrepresented in my opinion. And, we've already stopped. [B]Edit: [/B]to clarify, I'm talking about those insisting that we apologize to our own community's members like we've broken one of their basic human rights.

I've been keeping tabs on this over the past few days. Please could somebody from SuperiorServers contact me via PM to arrange a time & date when we can sit down and have a talk about this? I'm not a Facepunch employee but I may be able to help to sort things out.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52067839]Again though, why would users already part of a community care about how the community shows up in their server browsers? Where I can understand it's unacceptable to some people in FP, the severity of this is being grossly misrepresented in my opinion. And, we've already stopped. [B]Edit: [/B]to clarify, I'm talking about those insisting that we apologize to our own community's members like we've broken one of their basic human rights.[/QUOTE] Don't you think it sucks for them that they couldn't join the server while it was blacklisted?

[QUOTE=NeatNit;52068139]Don't you think it sucks for them that they couldn't join the server while it was blacklisted?[/QUOTE] You can join a blacklisted server.

Why can't you just [I][B]admit [/B][/I] what you have done or are [I][B]Doing[/B][/I] is wrong and that you should not be doing it? Therefor [I][B]Apologizing [/B][/I]to everyone and fixing your reputation? A community is not only supported by great server content but also capable server staff that are able to know when they dun goofed. in this situation you may not see it as your [I][B]players[/B][/I] giving a shit about what you have [B][I]done [/I][/B]or [B][I]doing[/I][/B]. But I can guarantee as someone who has hosted servers for 2 or 3 years now that a healthy [B][I]public[/I][/B] relationship with all your players and exterior people is one of the most important aspects of the server, if not the [B][I]most[/I][/B] important overall. I've seen servers that are successful just by having minimalist content but a great public relationship and amazing staff roster that people enjoy being there due to the reputation of the server. Your server or communities reputation is dwindling the more you don't just admit it, you are trying to fool all these incredibly smart individuals on face punch that have drawn this to your attention by giving :sex101: some bogus story.

Alright. So, this will be my first post on this thread, and I'll be giving my opinion. I am no one special, I have just been with SWRP for a year and a half now. Back when G-Realms was up. In my opinion, what you guys at Superior Servers did was wrong, you made it seem like you had 40 ping in A LOT of places, and then once people joined, they were greeted with 200-300+ ping. You've got good content and you've got players, that is why a lot of players from the oceanic region will stay, because of all the time they have spent on the server and the money they may or may not have donated to it. However, the manner in which you gained these players was dishonest and sort of immoral in my opinion. Everyone should be given an opportunity to play where'd they like, but, when people start playing Star Wars or move from one server to another without the information necessary, they see your server with 120+ people on at a time with 40 ping and think "This is too good to be true, woah.", and that's because it is...too good to be true. As well as, having re-direct servers in different Countries takes away from the community aspect of Star Wars RP, having different SWRP Communities compete with yours is fun, other communities get content made and have different ideas. We can all grow off of each other and help each other out rather than using these re-direct servers and taking away from other Countries' communities. That's just my opinion, it's over now, good work for getting rid of your AU re-direct, hopefully you do it with all of your re-direct servers and apologise to the communities you may or may not have affected in the meantime. Thanks. - Omo