Redirect / Fake Server Report Megathread - ALL FAKE SERVERS POSTS GO HERE - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52067839]Hello. I am big server man. I use shady practices to lure people into my server to leech money from them. I don't see what the big deal is. All we did was use blatant deception to inflate our cash cow I mean community, even after being told at least 50 times to stop. I use the "dumb" rating on reasonable posts that go against me in order to falsely validate my retarded rationale.[/QUOTE] Woah, it all makes sense to me now.

This has been going on for months and its not over yet... Spotted another fake redirect server. This time exclusively tricking USA gents. 149.56.67.128:27015 ֎ Souperior Servers.co - Danktown 45.76.1.217:27015 ֎ Souperior Servers.co - Danktown [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kpcUDbe.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oFnqpQA.png[/IMG] Where is the real server? Is it in Chicago or New Jersey? Is over 1000km (700 miles) deceptive?

You know what's sad at this point? This has turned into a fucking witch hunt on SuperiorServers; especially from FP employee(s). (COUGH) This all started for one simple reason. The server browser's regional support has been terrible, was, always has been, continues to be. Not to "deceive" players for the ping. Not to "steal" players from other servers. Honestly, FP needs to get their sh*t in order instead of targeting a small group of communities for what has been and continues to be, a problem for FP. BUT instead of fixing their own code, they continue to point the finger at the small group of communities instead of actually taking responsibility for their terrible framework. Grow up, this is the first time I've logged in months just to chime in, this entire discussion and debate has turned into a playground hissyfit.

[QUOTE=Heavy Bob;52070524]This has been going on for months and its not over yet... Spotted another fake redirect server. This time exclusively tricking USA gents. 149.56.67.128:27015 ֎ Souperior Servers.co - Danktown 45.76.1.217:27015 ֎ Souperior Servers.co - Danktown [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kpcUDbe.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oFnqpQA.png[/IMG] Where is the real server? Is it in Chicago or New Jersey? Is over 1000km (700 miles) deceptive?[/QUOTE] Yes it is, all they should be doing is having a server located at the host like 90% of other fucking servers. This way it doesn't trick the players ping and shows them their proper connection info instead of being tricked into joining a server over 1000km away.

[QUOTE=Heavy Bob;52070524]This has been going on for months and its not over yet... Spotted another fake redirect server. This time exclusively tricking USA gents. 149.56.67.128:27015 ֎ Souperior Servers.co - Danktown 45.76.1.217:27015 ֎ Souperior Servers.co - Danktown [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kpcUDbe.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oFnqpQA.png[/IMG] Where is the real server? Is it in Chicago or New Jersey? Is over 1000km (700 miles) deceptive?[/QUOTE] I shall clarify this for you, OVH does not even have a data center in Chicago. What you are seeing is a custom IP being geo-located. Also the mirror is only 10ms away from the real server, so you are getting worked up for no reason. EDIT: SuperiorServers does this as their real server is blacklisted.

[QUOTE=orc;52070626]SuperiorServers does this as their real server is blacklisted.[/QUOTE] Simple translation: [B]Blacklist evading[/B]. There is a reason why they were blacklisted in the first place - not sure how they can want to be unblacklisted but at the same time they keep evading the block in place... rather counter productive I assume.

[QUOTE=RIPD3Vine;52070563]You know what's sad at this point?[/QUOTE] Yeah, that you're accusing no one in particular. The [U][I]whole[/I][/U] of FP, including its employees are throwing a playground hissyfit, must grow up and need to get their shit in order? Come on. What kind of fucking response do you even [I]expect[/I]? When you tell us to grow up, do you mean we should follow your example by dramatic textual acting like "(COUGH)", accusing everyone yet no one in particular and calling discussions hissy fits?

[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559631&p=52070949[/url] lol

[QUOTE=Stooge2;52069672]Why can't you just [I][B]admit [/B][/I] what you have done or are [I][B]Doing[/B][/I] is wrong and that you should not be doing it? Therefor [I][B]Apologizing [/B][/I]to everyone and fixing your reputation? A community is not only supported by great server content but also capable server staff that are able to know when they dun goofed. in this situation you may not see it as your [I][B]players[/B][/I] giving a shit about what you have [B][I]done [/I][/B]or [B][I]doing[/I][/B]. But I can guarantee as someone who has hosted servers for 2 or 3 years now that a healthy [B][I]public[/I][/B] relationship with all your players and exterior people is one of the most important aspects of the server, if not the [B][I]most[/I][/B] important overall. I've seen servers that are successful just by having minimalist content but a great public relationship and amazing staff roster that people enjoy being there due to the reputation of the server. Your server or communities reputation is dwindling the more you don't just admit it, you are trying to fool all these incredibly smart individuals on face punch that have drawn this to your attention by giving :sex101: some bogus story.[/QUOTE] I can guarantee as someone who has hosted servers since 2008 now, one's reputation on FP is not at all representative of how actual players view their server. Not to discredit any views expressed here because some (most?) have some reason to them. However, the vocal people here are a stark minority even just compared to the regulars we gained from foreign regions. [QUOTE=toastvendor;52070349]Woah, it all makes sense to me now.[/QUOTE] Wow, you know me better than [I]I[/I] know me! [QUOTE=RIPD3Vine;52070563]You know what's sad at this point? This has turned into a fucking witch hunt on SuperiorServers; especially from FP employee(s). (COUGH) This all started for one simple reason. The server browser's regional support has been terrible, was, always has been, continues to be. Not to "deceive" players for the ping. Not to "steal" players from other servers. Honestly, FP needs to get their sh*t in order instead of targeting a small group of communities for what has been and continues to be, a problem for FP. BUT instead of fixing their own code, they continue to point the finger at the small group of communities instead of actually taking responsibility for their terrible framework. Grow up, this is the first time I've logged in months just to chime in, this entire discussion and debate has turned into a playground hissyfit.[/QUOTE] I like your name. [QUOTE=Bings;52070663]Simple translation: [B]Blacklist evading[/B]. There is a reason why they were blacklisted in the first place - not sure how they can want to be unblacklisted but at the same time they keep evading the block in place... rather counter productive I assume.[/QUOTE] Sure, I suppose by some stretch it's reasonable to expect us to willingly cut ourselves off from our hundreds of players. It's our only server listing anywhere. [QUOTE=Jelman;52070957][url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559631&p=52070949[/url] lol[/QUOTE] This was done on his own accord despite us saying he shouldn't. We can't control what people do, though.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52071407]Sure, I suppose by some stretch it's reasonable to expect us to willingly cut ourselves off from our hundreds of players. It's our only server listing anywhere.[/QUOTE] Well it is meant to be a [B]punishment...[/B] You seemed willing enough when being told you would be blacklisted if you did it again and then you did it again, why the sudden change of heart? I already threw this at aStonedPenguin but if a player of yours gets banned and returns on an alt, they got caught and return on another alt and so on - [B]would you unban them for trying to evade (whilst their evading, not after)?[/B] Personally, I wouldn't think so - what makes it different for you? Facing potential community death is really painful and [B]I understand why you are putting the servers up - but if you step back and think you can realise you are actually throwing away your chance of ever returning back to your normal IP[/b] and not be dealing with Rubat blocking any new redirects you put up.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52071407]- ignoring everything we actually want you to answer -[/QUOTE] The fact that you won't admit that this is even partially your fault (when it is in fact 100% your fault) just makes it so much easier to feel no remorse while blocking you. (you is plural, for sup admins, not KoB in particular)

I have no claim in the community but I personally think SUP should be reprimanded for their behavior. I hope this gets resolved!

Jesus this drama hurts, I feel like Sup has already received a fair and just punishment. We should just wait till they do it again to start bombing them again.

[QUOTE=Reformed;52072290]Jesus this drama hurts, I feel like Sup has already received a fair and just punishment. We should just wait till they do it again to start bombing them again.[/QUOTE] This post hurts, you evidently do not know the ins and outs of this story... They were warned to stop multiple times, their punishment shouldn't be over, after being warned to not do something by the games officials then you should stop... It's not the fact of FP blacklisting them, it's the fact that it would be letting them get away with it and I am sure that FP want to set an example here to other people who think this sort of behaviour is acceptable. In all fairness to SUP they are doing all they can to stay afloat, however they shouldn't have done what they did because they deserved the punishment given and they should accept that.

Phew! Finally unbanned. You have no idea how hard it was to watch this convo go without being able to stand in the way of a witchhunt. I've had a bit of a chat in Steam with KingofBeast, and some interesting things have come out from it. I now better understand their point of view. But first let's get this thread back from the depths of pitchfork city before we accidentally revive Joan of Arc. Let's start with the purpose of this thread. A few of you have mistaken this for a witchhunt thread. [b]This is simply not the case.[/b] This is for the reporting of fake and redirecting servers, as well as the discussion of such servers (including but not limited to discussing suitable punishments for those who use said servers and discussing resolutions for said parties). It may seem like this thread does a lot of finger pointing at SUP, and that's simply because at the time of writing, SUP is primarily the guilty party here (having repeatedly brought up redirect servers, some of which were made to bypass the blacklist). If NoxiousNet were doing this instead, we'd be pointing the finger at them. [u]This is worsened by the fact that Penguin has stated that his actions would be malicious, and has also stated he regrets saying that[/u]. Secondly, lets cover the redirects. While Rubat has put a blanket ban on them, I personally have no problem with them simply labeling the servers and asking the user if they want to be shuffled around to another server. In the past, we were ok with this as a solution, and penguin has pushed labels to his redirects that marked them clearly as redirects to the US. The problem there was that he then removed them while nobody was looking. Once again our biggest problem is that those that actively use redirects are [b]misleading[/b], [B]dishonest[/B], and from time to time [B]straight up liars.[/B] Lastly, there have been some discussion as to potential resolutions. I feel that SUP should be given a chance at redemption, however before they redeem, they must remove the existing redirects. I had a brief discussion with KingofBeast about this, and I learned they have alternative motives for having redirects other than "lots of players, more money, bigservermen2017.exe" and that is that the server browser (ie the multiplayer browser that most players use simply because they never experienced gmod 12 and think this is the norm) has problems. In October 2016, some patches were made but not enough. It is clear that the GMod server browser was never designed for as much popularity as it has. For instance, it only shows like 128 servers before using the search box for filtering. It would also prefer to show empty servers over somewhat popular servers. While I would understand hosting a redirect server from one end of america to the other (Say, california redirecting to new york), I don't think redirecting Australia to New York is ok. All up (because I've lost my train of thought and wen't to my neighbors for 2 hours mid post to go party like we were alone in a dentist's store room and found the happy gas), what SUP needs to do is they need to issue a public apology to us (where RB can see it and react to it), to it's players (being transparent about what they did, why they did it, and how it was wrong), and then need to shut down the redirect servers BEFORE a ban can be lifted. Although I'd appreciate if RB would compromise and let them host a single in-region redirect for the situation as stated above (coast to coast redirect for america).

[QUOTE=RIPD3Vine;52070563]You know what's sad at this point? This has turned into a fucking witch hunt on SuperiorServers; especially from FP employee(s). (COUGH) This all started for one simple reason. The server browser's regional support has been terrible, was, always has been, continues to be. Not to "deceive" players for the ping. Not to "steal" players from other servers. Honestly, FP needs to get their sh*t in order instead of targeting a small group of communities for what has been and continues to be, a problem for FP. BUT instead of fixing their own code, they continue to point the finger at the small group of communities instead of actually taking responsibility for their terrible framework. Grow up, this is the first time I've logged in months just to chime in, this entire discussion and debate has turned into a playground hissyfit.[/QUOTE]The loudest child gets the belt.

I would like to just voice my opinion here. Full disclosure I am an Administrator of Superior Servers and used to be a Super Administrator. I have no desire to mislead anyone here. I am simply here to voice my opinion on the matter as I am one of the few members who looks at facepunch and has a wider view of the Garrys Mod community and not just Superior itself. I have been around for along time including the previous times this has happended. We currently have a rather large community, we have had this for sometime now. It grew even larger a little while back due to the introduction of Scott and his CWRP server. Many of our community members do not mind the mirror servers due to the fact that on Garrys Mod a high ping does not cause any major issues and remains perfectly enjoyable. When the servers did get blacklisted it did cause an issue for many of our playerbase who previously conencted through those mirrors (and were happy doing so) this was only an issue as they were not able to access the main server listing due to where they were located even if they wanted to and they did not know about connecting through Legacy or through the console. Do bear in mind that a large majority of the Garrys Mod playerbase simply join through the current system many do not even know how to open the console nevermind using it. As a result a forum post had to be made to inform people of the way they need to connect for now. So the removal of these mirror servers caused more issues for our community when they were removed as opposed to while they were active. Now, I am certainly not condoing the use of mirror servers especially after it has been stopped previously. However, the main issue here that causes this to be important is the current state of the server browser. After asking a colletion of our playerbase from around the world I have found that many do not care about the ping of the server and instead look for good content and a good player count. This was a fairly large sample (in regards to a server) so I would assume this would reflect on other Garrys Mod players. So what now? Good question. After speaking to KingofBeast and Scott. I have not had chance to speak to penguin due to times. They both have said they are to remove the redirect servers and have done so the ones that remain are the US ones to allow players onto the server still. Providing the other servers stay down unless an agreement is reach where they can be used which I find very unlikely. I personally believe they should remain down but the main servers should be un blacklisted in the US. Then it is fair game. If they remain blacklisted and the US redirects are forced closed you would be killing a community which is clearly not a good idea. Some of you seem to want SUP dead but that is a clearly counter productive thing to do. In regards to the people wanting an apology made to the Superior Servers community I dont think that would do anything. The people on the server do not care about the situation they continue to return to the servers for the community and the content. Many members are already somewhat aware of the situation they just dont care about it. At the end of the day they are only affected by the shutting down of them. I think what should be focused on now is how is the need for them going to be resolved. The answer is the server browser getting fixed but I dont feel that will happen. I have not covered everything here as I dont want to write an essay but if there are any questions that are related to the community here and how it is affected or any similar kinds I will be more than willing to try and address them. Note: Before anyone suggests it. I was not made to do this by King, Scott or Penguin. I am inpendently posting this in order to further provide to the discussion on how to solve this issue as a whole and not just with SUP.

[QUOTE=Redfiend;52072577]SUP is primarily the guilty party here (having repeatedly brought up redirect servers, some of which were made to bypass the blacklist). If NoxiousNet were doing this instead, we'd be pointing the finger at them.[/QUOTE] Noxiousnet did this very thing? Brought up redirects twice if I'm not mistaken after the FINAL warning robot gave??? They've literally kept bring up redirects like Sup :|

Let me know if this has already been posted, let me know if so, but [t]https://feen.us/0fwkgfquld.png[/t] lol

I don't think anyone, at least those who have legitimate arguments and are not just flaming, wants an apology from SUP nor want to piss on its grave. People just want the abuse of the server browser to stop from everyone now that region filtering is fixed in the actual game, and for everyone to play fair. It's sad that the communities using mirrors and fake pings have some of the best produced content -- it makes all of that go to waste over something that adds a minimal competitive edge.

[QUOTE=BlackArrow-;52072758]Some of you seem to want SUP dead but that is a clearly counter productive thing to do.[/QUOTE] ! At the end of the day, The SUP brand and community isn't really all that glaring to have a problem with. As far as I know, it's got quality content with devoted staff like King and Penguin. The problem, like I and others have said before, is the fake servers and the constant defense instead of proper action. I don't really know how one extrapolates "kill SUP" from what has been stated over and over and over again, which is "stop with the redirects". What I stated about going after the main servers is simply collateral under the condition that they don't stop. Also, while I think it's admirable that you're trying to protect a set of servers you enjoy, you shouldn't speak for King or Stoned. They're capable of speaking for themselves and they know where to go to leave a message.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52075707]Sticking this thread as we should have 1 thread relating to this issue and not multiple [...][/QUOTE] Thanks Kiwi How that possible to have 255 slots ? That's Source probleme not FP ... This person is a genius he can do a lot of problems but he use it for communicate so nice ^^

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52075707]Sticking this thread as we should have 1 thread relating to this issue and not multiple. All posts about fake and re-directed servers go here. Any duplicate threads will be locked and you will be banned for missing the sticky.[/QUOTE] Thanks dude.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52075707]Sticking this thread as we should have 1 thread relating to this issue and not multiple. All posts about fake and re-directed servers go here. Any duplicate threads will be locked and you will be banned for missing the sticky.[/QUOTE] Personally, I find sticky threads [b]easier to miss[/b] than active non-sticky threads. After the first time I visit a subforum, I generally assume I've already read the sticky threads and my eyes skip straight to the first normal thread. But maybe that's just me. On topic: what is the current situation exactly? Is Sup still repeatedly making new redirect servers? How long does it usually take facepunch studios to blacklist them once they're up? I'm looking at the server list right now and not seeing them, but perhaps I'm missing them somehow.

Making the thread a sticky just makes it so people don't have an excuse and are easier to justifiably ban. I approve.

I've negotiated with Superior Servers (namely aStonedPenguin) and they have agreed to cease using redirect servers in any shape or form. Consequently, their main server is no longer blacklisted. Please continue to report fake / redirect servers in this thread and FP will do what they can to address the issue.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;52075790]I've negotiated with Superior Servers (namely aStonedPenguin) and they have agreed to cease using redirect servers in any shape or form. Consequently, their main server is no longer blacklisted. Please continue to report fake / redirect servers in this thread and FP will do what they can to address the issue.[/QUOTE] Good job ! They was forced to accepte without that the server will die after a few weeks (look the graph they lose a lot of player after the blacklist )

[QUOTE=Hezzy;52075790]I've negotiated with Superior Servers (namely aStonedPenguin) and they have agreed to cease using redirect servers in any shape or form. Consequently, their main server is no longer blacklisted. Please continue to report fake / redirect servers in this thread and FP will do what they can to address the issue.[/QUOTE] I'm just glad a resolution was reached in that regard.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;52075790]I've negotiated with Superior Servers (namely aStonedPenguin) and they have agreed to cease using redirect servers in any shape or form. Consequently, their main server is no longer blacklisted. Please continue to report fake / redirect servers in this thread and FP will do what they can to address the issue.[/QUOTE] Thanks for helping to resolve this issue.

[QUOTE=TFA;52073150]Let me know if this has already been posted, let me know if so, but [t]https://feen.us/0fwkgfquld.png[/t] lol[/QUOTE] As a former co-owner of a pretty big community I can see the reasoning behind this exact "message" to gmod developers. Our community was shutdown before the server browser update but if it didn't this update would've killed it thanks to gamemode sorting. This is one of the worst changes in gmod history.