DarkRP/RP in general needs to die, contradicts what Garry's Mod is about. - Garry's Mod

RP in itself isn't bad, but the GMod RP playerbase can be pretty awful at times. What you fail to understand is that GMod is a sandbox game, which means that you're meant to be able to do ANYTHING in it, including roleplaying. A sandbox game does NOT translate to building and messing around. DarkRP isn't really a bad gamemode. Some of its features might be unbalanced and silly, and it might be a bit unoptimized, but at its core the gamemode itself isn't the problem. The playerbase it. See, here's the thing: you will never change the minds of the playerbase, no matter how much you rant about it on here. People will keep playing what they enjoy playing, no matter what you, me or anyone else thinks. The same applies to all other RP servers. You're also over generalizing a lot. A lot of what your saying doesn't apply to nearly all RP servers, such as buying admin or even having donator features. If you enjoy RP, it's all about finding the right server or the right community that has what you want. And here's the thing: it IS up to the players what gamemodes stay. Right now the majority of GMod's playerbase seems to want RP, and who are you to oppose that? Who are you to tell them what they can and can't play? If people want to RP, let them RP and don't RP yourself. Simple. I can understand how it can be frustrating to see a lot of RP servers, but let's be rational here: there are a lot of other servers out there as well that you can try out, such as TTT, Sandbox, The Stalker etc etc. If you're still not satisfied with those, learn Lua and make your own gamemode, or inspire someone else to make something new. If you don't want to do that, then maybe it's time to find another game?

While I have to agree that GMod is a sandbox, GMod has lua scripting for a reason. If it was sandbox, like a building game, garry wouldn't have added gamemodes in first place. Also I do agree that players are a little close minded. I have a theory that DarkRP is successful not because it's some super inovation. It hasn't changed that much through the years (it has changed, but if you take into account how much time darkrp has been around, it hasn't evloved). So i think that it's releated to how people invite their friends to GMod. When they show them darkrp and how "awesome" it is, they want to play only DarkRP, mainly cause the majority of the community is quite young. And it works like a chain reaction. No need to flame against DarkRP. I hate it to the deep of my bones, so what? I hate TTT also, I think LEETNOOB's Deception is much better, but people just say "ZOMG TTT RIP OFF DURR HURR MAST PLAY TTT". So what? I get a few friends and play Deception without minding the TTT players. Everyone can play whatever they like. Get over it.

[QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534]If you disagree, don't just start flaming or you're just reinforcing my point. Feel free to refute any of these points with logic and you might get somewhere. I'll get right to the point, DarkRP is a cancer and needs to die. [/QUOTE] Well start the fucking chemotherapy. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534]If you haven't seen it yet, open the server browser and filter by player count: the next 800 servers will probably be DarkRP or some other variation. If you think that this isn't a problem, then think for a minute, read, and use your brain instead of mindlessly spewing whatever shit that you get force-fed or start posting with "HOLY SHIT SHUT UP LET PLAYERS DECIDE WHAT GAMEMODES STAY". [/QUOTE] Before I reply to this, let me reassure you that I have indeed thought my statement through: It's not a fucking problem, DarkRP can be great fun. Not that this statement requires much thought. It simply requires the activation of my personal memory and all the fun I've had in DarkRP. In my personal experience, and apparently in many other people's experience, it's great fun! [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534]"Garry's Mod is a physics sandbox. Unlike regular games there aren't any predefined aims or goals. We give you the tools and leave you to play." [/QUOTE] And these tools remain, at least, they're supposed to. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534] This is what appears on the Steam Store page. At its core, it's a sandbox game and you can do whatever and make whatever. Yet DarkRP and anything similar somehow manages to take this and completely warp it. For example, we get the tools and leave to play? Okay, RP gamemodes say fuck that and lets limit everything you can do. [/QUOTE] The RP gamemode doesn't limit shit. Server owners do. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534] Anything you can do in Sandbox with weld and props? Nope, take it away and you need rights in an 'RP' setting. [/QUOTE] Fucking bullshit, most RP servers have weld tool enabled and don't give a fuck about what you weld unless you weld your entire fucking base. That's because it lags the server with unnecessary O(N^2) physics calculations, with N being the amount of props welded. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534] Want to make a robot wars and shoot each other? Nope, fuck welding and duplication and you're banned for "Prop Spam". Want to make bases and play capture the flag? No, you're 'Prop Blocking' and taking away from the everyone's so called 'immersion'. [/QUOTE] No shit that you can't play gamemode X on gamemode Y. DarkRP is RP. DarkRP is not Capture the flag and DarkRP is not fucking robot wars. DarkRP is throwing shit at police officers and running away. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534]Want originality and cool addons to play with ingame? Nope, if you try use any addons they put in, enjoy getting arrested and using the same 15 addons everywhere with "DIFFERENT/ORIGINAL" in the server title. [/QUOTE] I'm running addons and I never got arrested for it. This is pure nonsense. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534] Want decent players to play with? Sorry, everyone is twelve because they get catered to and everyone can buy admin. [/QUOTE] If no RP gamemode exists then all the 12-year-olds would play other gamemodes. The idea of giving twelve-year-olds admin is not limited to DarkRP. DarkRP has nothing to do with how server owners manage their god damn admins. Get your causality relations right. [QUOTE=Icebomb;38464534] All of these great things that Sandbox did, is completely wrecked because people want to RP. Now you're probably saying "Well if you don't like it then don't play and play Sandbox/something else in Garry's Mod". Well that's pretty damn hard when it ends up in a cycle. They take players from a variety of good gamemodes that needs a chance; just take a look to the server list. Find anything decent in the Gamemodes subforum and then watch as they die because there isn't a large enough player base to keep them going, all because they're too busy playing the same shit. Hell, even all so called grief problems in Sandbox that happen can be fixed so easily with lua. If there's prop spam, add a small delay or log prop creation in the console. Or add building rights. There's no excuse for playing a gamemode that actually TAKES AWAY from the base game, it's dumb. There isn't even any novelty to RP either, no originality or anything worthwhile that can be salvaged. Should have probably changed the title to something like DarkRP/RP needs a break[/QUOTE] The last part of your drivel is just an incoherent set of baseless accusations that state that: DarkRP is stealing everyone's players, DarkRP is killing new gamemodes, DarkRP is taking away from the base game, DarkRP has no novelty, DarkRP has no originality. All these accusations in one rambling and I can't even describe how ridiculous they are. You portray DarkRP like it's an evil entity within the game. Absolute nonsense. Quit your drivel at once.

I stopped caring about DarkRP a long time ago. I don't personally enjoy it, but I won't go shouting around about how /bad/ it is. Nobody is forcing you to join a DarkRP server. So why do you care about people that choose to do so? Its not evil, I agree with FPTje above.

To me, DarkRP is not as much roleplay as it is twenty people jammed in a small city each with the intent of bullshitting, robbing and killing eachother. [sp]Who says it isn't fun as hell?[/sp] But to claim that RP [I]itself[/I] needs to die is absolutely ridiculous. Some of the most fun I've had in Garry's Mod has been in all kinds of RP settings. Do you have any idea how well RP_Apocalypse, good moderation and Tiramisu mix together? [I]Do you?[/I] And there's boundless fun to be had playing with (rag)dolls in a private sandbox server on an RP map with a friend. Especially if you're planning intricate and imaginative scenes for your friend's character against his will. Most of them ended up in satanic rituals and somebody's character being painted with blood and nailed on a wall. It was usually his character or his character's family. Random car accidents were hilarious, too.

[QUOTE=FPtje;38478366] Fucking bullshit, most RP servers have weld tool enabled and don't give a fuck about what you weld unless you weld your entire fucking base. That's because it lags the server with unnecessary O(N^2) physics calculations, with N being the amount of props welded.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? From where did you get the algorithmic complexity of weld constraint calculations?

This Thread Is Just A Bunch Of DumbAss Hippie BullShit Im Glad RolePlay Is Alive More Skids To Destroy With Hera

oh no someone took computer science 101 and learned what big O notation is, and now theyre making big tedious boring careposts can we just have this thread locked, it's painful to read

This complaint is just retarded!!! RP has it's own rules, If you want to just do some sandbox crap in sandbox, You're judging a game-mode for HOW IT'S PLAYED! That's like saying shut down melon bomber for no sandbox! Or shutting down anything for no sandbox, It's just stupid. Also, I do agree with the immature 12 year olds, That's an issue.

You're a bit late there bud