"Contest", Ultimate hardcore building arena of DOOM.

[Tatourmi]

Funny boat you have here Punisher but it is nor a contest about "posting your first contraption" neither is your first contraption into the spirit of the contest (It could have been after all, but it isn't :keke: ). I explain myself: The rules N°5,6 and 7 state clearly that your contraption shouldn't have hoverballs, thrusters and welds in it, far more extremist than just a vanilla contest.
You are still the actual winner of the contest untill someone post something else that respects the most basic rules ^^.

Now here comes the usual explanations and reactions and stuff:
I have to say that I am quite disappointed by the last answers. I expected a bit of flaming indeed, but never something like that. Anyway, here are the answers to most of the last posts (I didn't answer to the poorly translated French affirmation by words, but I hope that the moderators will see the report and that you will understand why I had done so ^^).

Most clever-looking one, and the only one that gives a real purpose to this message as it made me explain, maybe in a more accurate way, the goals of the contest, first ^^:
[QUOTE=Sestze;20218036]No, I don't see any answers to my questions. Just a set of strawmen that you beat to hell and back. My statement about limiting tools holds true in this case, Tatourmi. You've shown your lack of skill, and how ignorant you are about the basic tools of the game.

Advanced ballsocket can be given limits to allow it to act as a weld.[/QUOTE]
What part of the statement holds true exactly? I thought that I had pre-answered all the things concerning the "evilness" of "forbidding" tools in the second part of the FAQ, which is by the way not "only" a bunch of strawmen getting beaten with a stick, it was originally there to avoid what I would call "expected flaming", but I have to confess that I did it wrong. For the advanced ballstocket thing: Rule N°10 applies here I guess. Yes you can use it like a weld, and you can use other stuff too to do so (as the goal was not to forbid you to "weld" stuff together but to force you to do so in an other, more imaginative and catchy way). It is not the goal of the contest to "cheat on the rules" and the way you are welding your props counts as much as the other parts of the invention. Something nailed will be more into the "spirit" than something that, pragmatically speaking, achieves the exact same result as a weld, namely the advanced ballstocket method. As I said only too much, everything is "allowed" (Meaning the ones that are forbidden will just give your contraption a -10 to jury sympathy, to speak the geeky way :science:), the rules are just here to show you what is to be avoided the most.
For the lack of skill affirmation: No, I definitely pre-answered that kind of remarks into the FAQ and I will not do it again ^^.

And now the trolling (Sorry for being totally or almost out of topic in my answers, but that is the only thing I could do I guess, I just hope it will help putting an end to all of this situation ^^):
To answer to those two posts:
[QUOTE=Gibbo;20210859]Seeing as he just tried to contradict almost every somewhat respected member in this sub-forum, i'm going to go with no.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gibbo;20219292]I didn't even want to post but once I saw that he quoted me and tried to contradict me with his terrible grammar I felt that i had to intervene with this atrocity.[/QUOTE]
Pre-edit stuff: Sorry, I do acknowledge that I am a bit patronizing you in this post, first part was written when I was still in an "annoyed" mood, hope you will just grasp the meaning and forget the rest. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa).
Show me where I made those terrible grammar mistakes then, I asked for it, and, my little Ulysses, where did you kill the Cyclops? You posted two affirmations ("Philosophy don't mix with the internet", that is just false by the way, I could develop it by pm if you want it to be so, and "do you really think that people care if they hurt people on the internet" if I remember well) and I don't see, I really don't, in what extend they "proved me wrong" or "epic failed me" or whatever was your goal in whatever fight you apparently firmly believe you were engaged with. What I don't understand mainly into your posts is the use the verb "to try", don't you at least recognise what was free into your post and why it didn't really apply to that or the other contest? I can retype it if you don't understand it, if I didn't convince you about the "why is this post out of context" question, I will write a better argumentation, I am used to do so as a moderator so I won't mind, and if the mistake is mine, then I guarantee you that I am grown enough to recognise it honestly and edit my posts after having apologised.

[QUOTE=kp3;20231150]Yeah, Let's all create a contest or two, if people don't like it it's their problem.[/QUOTE]
Uuuuh, yeah? That is pretty much how contests are made, and some people did like the idea by the way.
I also answered to a similar statement in the FAQ (Even though yours weren't directly addressed to me)

[Gibbo]

[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20232820] <Wall of bullshit text that I hope will make me sound smart> [/QUOTE]

Everything you've just said right there has no real meaning and is quite frankly the biggest load of bullshit i'v ever seen.

To me the OP is just a bunch of quotes by me and some other people that you have seemed to deem offensive and/or harsh to whoever it was directed toward.

The real reason of the thread seems to be quite the opposite of what you lead people to believe.. nice troll.

[G-Foxx]

Sorry you were offended by a gay joke (honestly), but you spent a weeee too much time on this thing.. it's always better to accept the fact that your idea was crap than to keep pooping it into everyones heads

the best I could put that*

[Sestze]

I can do walls of text too. Let's dance.
[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20232820]Funny boat you have here Punisher but it is nor a contest about "posting your first contraption" neither is your first contraption into the spirit of the contest (It could have been after all, but it isn't :keke: ). I explain myself: The rules N°5,6 and 7 state clearly that your contraption shouldn't have hoverballs, thrusters and welds in it, far more extremist than just a vanilla contest.
You are still the actual winner of the contest untill someone post something else that respects the most basic rules ^^.[/QUOTE]
Limitations for limitation's sake are pointless. I'm assuming you just want us to "rise above" the constraints you're giving us and play ball, but the effort that we would spend to regress skill-wise back into the dark ages isn't worth the reward. Honestly, this competition isn't really a "competition" per se, it's just a "post contraptions that fit this mould."

This would be akin to me starting a thread that said, "I want you guys to build the best suspensionless purple cars that can double as helicopters". Despite you giving us no clear direction to move in with this, we're stuck with a metaphorical minefield of tool exceptions that leave us with no sensible methods to build with.

[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20232820]
Now here comes the usual explanations and reactions and stuff:
I have to say that I am quite disappointed by the last answers. I expected a bit of flaming indeed, but never something like that. Anyway, here are the answers to most of the last posts (I didn't answer to the poorly translated French affirmation by words, but I hope that the moderators will see the report and that you will understand why I had done so ^^).
[/QUOTE]
You called yourself a frog eater. Why are you playing the race card in this instance? I suppose it was self deprecation based upon race, but [i]noone followed up on it nor mentioned "OH THE BLOODY FRENCH ARE AT IT AGAIN"[/i]. You're making up ghosts to chase.

Let's put it this way, if someone like Karbine, who is well known-ish throughout the community with a lot of building experience under his belt, can't host a competition without almost all of the participants falling through at the last minute, how do you expect to hold up something like this to any sort of scrutiny? I don't understand, a Rally competition on a forum that's in love with realistic cars and suspension can't maintain interest for a month, do you really think that this will work?

[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20232820]
Most clever-looking one, and the only one that gives a real purpose to this message as it made me explain, maybe in a more accurate way, the goals of the contest, first ^^:

What part of the statement holds true exactly? I thought that I had pre-answered all the things concerning the "evilness" of "forbidding" tools in the second part of the FAQ, which is by the way not "only" a bunch of strawmen getting beaten with a stick, it was originally there to avoid what I would call "expected flaming", but I have to confess that I did it wrong. For the advanced ballstocket thing: Rule N°10 applies here I guess. Yes you can use it like a weld, and you can use other stuff too to do so (as the goal was not to forbid you to "weld" stuff together but to force you to do so in an other, more imaginative and catchy way). It is not the goal of the contest to "cheat on the rules" and the way you are welding your props counts as much as the other parts of the invention. Something nailed will be more into the "spirit" than something that, pragmatically speaking, achieves the exact same result as a weld, namely the advanced ballstocket method. As I said only too much, everything is "allowed" (Meaning the ones that are forbidden will just give your contraption a -10 to jury sympathy, to speak the geeky way :science:), the rules are just here to show you what is to be avoided the most.
For the lack of skill affirmation: No, I definitely pre-answered that kind of remarks into the FAQ and I will not do it again ^^.[/QUOTE]
You didn't, really. I view competitions that severely limit or restrict tool use as a method to "bring down" better builders to the same level as the people who host the contest. Unless a restriction makes sense, IE: ZP's rally hauler competition requiring 100% wheel power, they serve no purpose other than to drive away prospective users.

Restricting tools for a competition for the sake of shits and giggles does not make a competition unique or challenging. It makes the competition look silly.

Also, I see that you were trying to pre-empt flaming and such with the "EBUL FAQ", but that's absolutely pointless. In future, why don't you try to make the OP for your contest bulletproof rather than requiring a bunch of strawmen to make your point for you. It's easier and doesn't look as stupid. I mean, come on, you can't have a FAQ on a topic that noone has posted before.

[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20232820]
And now the trolling (Sorry for being totally or almost out of topic in my answers, but that is the only thing I could do I guess, I just hope it will help putting an end to all of this situation ^^):
To answer to those two posts:

Pre-edit stuff: Sorry, I do acknowledge that I am a bit patronizing you in this post, first part was written when I was still in an "annoyed" mood, hope you will just grasp the meaning and forget the rest. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa).
Show me where I made those terrible grammar mistakes then, I asked for it, and, my little Ulysses, where did you kill the Cyclops? You posted two affirmations ("Philosophy don't mix with the internet", that is just false by the way, I could develop it by pm if you want it to be so, and "do you really think that people care if they hurt people on the internet" if I remember well) and I don't see, I really don't, in what extend they "proved me wrong" or "epic failed me" or whatever was your goal in whatever fight you apparently firmly believe you were engaged with. What I don't understand mainly into your posts is the use the verb "to try", don't you at least recognise what was free into your post and why it didn't really apply to that or the other contest? I can retype it if you don't understand it, if I didn't convince you about the "why is this post out of context" question, I will write a better argumentation, I am used to do so as a moderator so I won't mind, and if the mistake is mine, then I guarantee you that I am grown enough to recognise it honestly and edit my posts after having apologised.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to point out that philosophy doesn't apply when you're discussing concrete issues relating to a video game. I could point out the symbolism of this struggle between you and the rest of the thread as the split between the conservative movement stuck behind the wave of the zeitgeist and the progressives who are plunging down the other side. It'd also be a load of bullshit because we're [i]discussing a contest in Garrysmod you gigantic twit[/i]. We're not discussing the fundamental nature of man, nor drawing allegories between Greek Mythos and a posting style.

There's a place and time for that sort of shit, and it's in the first year of College.

We want to know [i]why[/i] these rules are there. What purpose do they serve beyond "it forces people to think [i]outside the box[/i]"? Even the "outside of the box" statement is kind of false, as you've got a catch all "whatever I deem to be against the spirit of the competition can be marked down" statement as rule #10.
[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20232820]
Uuuuh, yeah? That is pretty much how contests are made, and some people did like the idea by the way.
I also answered to a similar statement in the FAQ (Even though yours weren't directly addressed to me)[/QUOTE]
Most competitions that are started in this section are by experienced builders who have the time and patience to craft a competition, and the know-how to make intelligent restrictions, if any. We may be experiencing a glut of terrible competitions, but they usually flame out within the first few days as the OP either becomes disheartened or loses interest.

[Colonel Jesh]

[QUOTE=G-Foxx;20216568]Salut, mon nom est Tatourmi et je suis une personne gaie. :pseudo:
On a more direct note: These rules are stupid and I don't agree. Maybe certain people will take a simple joke sometime :3[/QUOTE]

Gaie is happy, gay is gay Learn2SpellFrench

Also what's up with all this text in this thread ?

[Tatourmi]

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]I can do walls of text too. Let's dance.[/QUOTE]
At least you are dancing constructively, thanks for the post ^^.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Limitations for limitation's sake are pointless. I'm assuming you just want us to "rise above" the constraints you're giving us and play ball, but the effort that we would spend to regress skill-wise back into the dark ages isn't worth the reward. Honestly, this competition isn't really a "competition" per se, it's just a "post contraptions that fit this mould."[/QUOTE]
You are exactly right, but you didn't grasp what is (According to me, you could write against it I guess) a contest. As I said before (Somewhere in the text... I guess you have read it anyway) "posting contraptions that fit this mould" is the very nature of every contest, even the serious ones like the exams to go in that or that "great school" (I don't know how to translate it in English, my bad). The "mould" can be difficult to "fit into", it can be vague too (Art for example), but it still exists. And the goal of the contest is to make the contraption that fits the best into an idealistic "mould", or more precisely, make the one contraption that is the closest to an "ideal". And those limitations are not "just for limitation sake" but to give you an idea of what this ideal is (Strange thing about this contest though: You can approach the ideal without respecting every single one of them).

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Despite you giving us no clear direction to move in with this, we're stuck with a metaphorical minefield of tool exceptions that leave us with no sensible methods to build with.[/QUOTE]
Here again you are right, and it is one of the two point I gladly recognise having failed. I didn't manage to give you a precise vision of what I wanted, and the differences between the two little examples are not helping either. Out of curiosity though, what did you understand about the challenge? I guess it will help me to clean out some mistakes.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]You called yourself a frog eater. Why are you playing the race card in this instance? I suppose it was self deprecation based upon race, but [I]noone followed up on it nor mentioned "OH THE BLOODY FRENCH ARE AT IT AGAIN"[/I]. You're making up ghosts to chase.[/QUOTE]
No I am not. I never said I was the victim of a so-called "French racism", some people said so, not me. I just said that I did not expect such a reaction from most of you.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Let's put it this way, if someone like Karbine, who is well known-ish throughout the community with a lot of building experience under his belt, can't host a competition without almost all of the participants falling through at the last minute, how do you expect to hold up something like this to any sort of scrutiny? I don't understand, a Rally competition on a forum that's in love with realistic cars and suspension can't maintain interest for a month, do you really think that this will work?[/QUOTE]
As I said, this contest is not totally new (and I am not totally new either by the way) and I never said I expected a bunch of people building things for my beautiful eyes; what I believed though is that, as facepunch still is the official g-mod forum, I would have found one or two users that were willing to participate.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]You didn't, really. I view competitions that severely limit or restrict tool use as a method to "bring down" better builders to the same level as the people who host the contest. Unless a restriction makes sense, IE: ZP's rally hauler competition requiring 100% wheel power, they serve no purpose other than to drive away prospective users.[/QUOTE]
I assure you that throughout the FAQ I had answered to that. I answered to the "skill stuff", to the "IHAVEBIGGERTHANYOURS" stuff and to the "Purpose" stuff.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Restricting tools for a competition for the sake of shits and giggles does not make a competition unique or challenging. It makes the competition look silly.[/QUOTE]
I never said that this competition was the most serious thing ever (I am not really a serious builder anyway), and it is not only for the sake of shits and giggles, it is for the sake of vintage style building.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Also, I see that you were trying to pre-empt flaming and such with the "EBUL FAQ", but that's absolutely pointless. In future, why don't you try to make the OP for your contest bulletproof rather than requiring a bunch of strawmen to make your point for you. It's easier and doesn't look as stupid. I mean, come on, you can't have a FAQ on a topic that noone has posted before.[/QUOTE]
The OP is not as fragile as you are looking to think so, but I expected a lot of more or less "out of the subject remarks" when I surfed a bit and fell on the "vanilla contest" (Which was a real fragfest of pointless assertions and flaming). You have noticed the "goal" of most of my argumentation I guess, every single question/answer that is in the second part of the FAQ is re-explaining the subject in other terms to clarify it. I wanted to show why those remarks did not apply here (What you failed to understand too I think, seeing that you reposted your remarks to the vanilla contest, remarks that I did not pick up in the FAQ because I thought I had answered them already) and to definitely avoid the flow of meaningless stuff that is so frequent on the internet. Where you are right though is that it was NOT a good idea to pick up "real" posts as opposed to hypothetical ones, it was made as I felt like (This is explained already but well...) I had to more or less show the posters where THEY were wrong and to insist on the fact that they had to think a bit before posting. It was taken as a direct insult I think (Which is comprehensible), and created reactions like the one of [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/member.php?u=72529"]Gibbo[/URL] (Look at his last post).

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Philosophy and stylistic passage[/QUOTE]
No, you didn't understand what I said or something happened to you at this point of your writing, I don't know, but you regress back to blind flaming. I never talked a lot about philosophy, I just said that Gibbo's assertion was false (Once again I could develop it but it is not the subject) and I don't see why you think that the allegory of "Ulysses and the Cyclops" was anything more than a vulgar literary trope. I could have misunderstood you too though.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]We want to know [I]why[/I] these rules are there. What purpose do they serve beyond "it forces people to think [I]outside the box[/I]"? Even the "outside of the box" statement is kind of false, as you've got a catch all "whatever I deem to be against the spirit of the competition can be marked down" statement as rule #10.[/QUOTE]
Outside the basic use of g-mod now, inside vintage thinking. Those rules are here to make you go back to devices that heavily use prop physics and that are originally constructed and designed into a vintage mood. Meaning more or less "mad max" style design and crazy systems to make it work. There is more than one box and I do acknowledge that. I didn't understand the last sentence of your message though, this might be an idiomatic expression of some sort that I did not grasp but I really don't know what you were trying to explain, how did you linked the "inside the box thinking" and rule N°10.

[QUOTE=Sestze;20244123]Most competitions that are started in this section are by experienced builders who have the time and patience to craft a competition, and the know-how to make intelligent restrictions, if any. We may be experiencing a glut of terrible competitions, but they usually flame out within the first few days as the OP either becomes disheartened or loses interest.[/QUOTE]
Already answered a bit above in this post.

Anyway, thanks for having post this, hope you will answer.

[QUOTE=G-Foxx;20240925]Sorry you were offended by a gay joke (honestly), but you spent a weeee too much time on this thing.. it's always better to accept the fact that your idea was crap than to keep pooping it into everyones heads

the best I could put that*[

[Colonel Jesh]

Mais chaud quoi t'écris trop...

[Gunnanmon]

I think the phys gun should be thrown into the mix of tools you can't use. Only a true master could make contraptions without it.

[xroblade]

There should be only one rule, you can only use the stock gmod toolset.
The contraption that is the most creatively built is the winner.

[G-Foxx]

[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20247201]I thought that you were just a 11 year old boy following the flock a bit too enthusiastically.[/QUOTE]

Weird how everyone else thought that too when this thread came up
{"Contest", Ultimate hardcore building arena of DOOM}
*textwall*

Just sayin

And ^this dance^ seems like a big farty waste of time and space
Kind of makes everyone not like gmod anymore...

[Treelor]

I'm almost inclined to take part in this for the sole reason that your OP contains so much content and nice formatting.

[G-Foxx]

I tried this with all the rules included, but it sucked nuts because it seems like de-evolution in building.. kind of like as if it were one of those medieval festival craps except not possibly fun ever

Everyone's built a trebuchet at some point, but that's that, and now they wanna make future stuff that actually works well and does non-repetitive things.

I feel racist now because I liked DONUT's idea that was 1% different :3

[PacX]

G-Foxx that is not true, I hate those "supar-futureé" (I made a new word ;D) crap, I like futureish-steampunk style though, but that's about it. Medival stuff is absolute awesome, especially on castle maps and you have some friends to play with.

[G-Foxx]

[QUOTE=PacX;20267785]G-Foxx that is not true, I hate those "supar-futureé" (I made a new word ;D) crap, I like futureish-steampunk style though, but that's about it. Medival stuff is absolute awesome, especially on castle maps and you have some friends to play with.[/QUOTE]

haha, that's not exactly the same context I was using.. I was speaking quality-wise ;3
I like medieval stuff in war type things, it's just that it ends up being really repetitive making simple things, especially if it's a competition.
Probably be more interesting if the groups were given only one topic to build... like vehicle/artillery etc etc, but they both get the same prop set

[highlight]While I'm here[/highlight], is there a way to lower the computations (I think that's the right word) per second? For higher fps. Sort of like what happens when you lower the gamespeed, but without the slo-mo

[Madman_Andre]

[QUOTE=Tatourmi;20190719][B][U]Note to the reader :pseudo:[/U][/B]
Note to you, reader: I am not a native English speaker and I am consequently inclined to do some nasty grammatical mistakes, so please, rather than killing my family, highlight them to me and, if you feel like a hero, explain them to me.

[U][B]Introduction :sun: [/B][/U]
Hello non-frog-eaters (Or english speaking ones that are stupid enough to go on facepunch :cop: ).

I am the moderator of the contraption section (Which we call "device section" out of pride) of a French g-mod forum and in order to face the "recent" waves of high tech mingebags (Meaning: People whose first contraption was built with wiremod an phx because, you know, that's COOL and NICE and SHINY and STUFF) I created a series of threads for ye olde builders to show their amazing trash-style building skills, to popularize it. It began, of course, by a "Show us your first device" thread, which was quite funny actually, albeit not popular enough in my opinion; we then continued with a "no new shiny stools and props" building contest, which was also funny but still not extremist enough in it's vision of the g-mod and, last but not least (I LOVE cliché English) I made the Ultimate hardcore building arena of DOOM contest, the most popular of the three by far and the one that you are faced with now.

[B][U]RULES :catholic:[/U][/B]
So, now that we finished reading your useless first paragraph, can we know what are the rules, given there are some?
Yes you can my dear lord, here they are, biblical style (King James inside):

[B]Rule n°1:[/B] Thou shall be honest with yourself.
[B]Rule n°2:[/B] Thou shall try to be vintage as possible.
[B]Rule n°3:[/B] Thou shall build something that have a mechanism in it and/or that can move itself. (No: LOOK AT MY HOUSE allowed, obviously)
[B]Rule n°4:[/B] Thou shall not use any downloaded items except maps and adv duplicator if you really need it.
[B]Rule n°5:[/B] Thou shall not use thrusters.
[B]Rule n°6:[/B] Thou shall not use welds.
[B]Rule n°7:[/B] Thou shall not use hoverballs.
[B]Rule n°8:[/B] Thou shall not use any sort of parenting.
[B]Rule n°9:[/B] Thou shall not, in a more general way, use something if you are able to achieve the "same" result with something less "efficient".
[B]Rule n°10:[/B] Thou shall acknowledge that I probably can be stupider than you regarding these previous assertions.

[U][B]FAQ: :hist101:[/B][/U]
Here is a little FAQ about the rules:

[B]1 You:[/B] Are there any stools you don't "like" but that are allowed?
[B]Me:[/B] Yup, the stools that are concerned by rule n°9 in general: Hydraulics, muscle, advanced ballstocket... Try to use your head and the non-rigid ropes, ropes, are always a good thing in my opinion.:pipe:

[B]2 You:[/B] I really want to use an addon, not a flashy one, just to improve the overall "feeling" of the stuff, can I?
[B]Me: [/B]Weeeeeeeeeeeell, i'd prefer not to but if it's going to be a really failsome contraption with it, then it is ok I guess... Just please tell us what you used and why. This also works with the "forbidden vanilla tools" like thrusters etc, BUT this does NOT apply to precision tools... Use your eyes and anything at your vintage disposal to build.

[B]3 You: [/B]True Vanilla building should be in game only, not in VMF format. It will make the contest very unfair.
[B]Me:[/B] This one is a good assertion, well at least I think it is, I tend to put videos of my contraptions, you should do the same. Pictures, in my opinion, fail to render the mechanism and it's "failingness".

[B]4: You: [/B]So, When's the deadline.Whats the prize / other reason why i should do this. Who will be judging. Etc.
[B]Me:[/B]
1: No deadline, the winner is the best there is on the topic EVER (Meaning in a week if I am really lucky)
2: Virtual chocolate: ####.
3: What about a good old "The best is the one that is considered the best by more people than the others according to their vision of the contest's goals" winning style? This way we will achieve relative objectivity.

[U][B]The darkside of the FAQ :devil:[/B][/U]
Now, as I still have the soul of a moderator even though I am not on my actual jurisdiction, and to avoid all the flaming that made facepunch famous: THE AMAZING FLAMING F.A.Q (Some of them are extracted from posts made in answer to the "Vanilla Builder" contest, with which I have no connection BTW, some of them are even extracted from "gold members" posts... Consequently I might have been a bit aggressive, I expect you, however, to understand me. I have chosen them as they were eventually connected with this contest as well, beware, there still is REAL answers to REAL questions hidden a bit here and there into this FAQ). EDIT: Well, there are some that are directly addressed to me now, some are added.

[B]1: You:[/B] Typical competition derived by a 15 year old.
Why should we restrict ourselves? That would make the quality of stuff we make be below average.
[B]Me:[/B] I don't know, for fun. To discover a new part of g-mod that some of you had forgotten, to highlight should I say as it is not really a "return to the past" stuff, I am talking about the crazy mechanism and trash design stuff. By the way: What is your objective criteria for "quality", and why should I be 15 years old? What is the point of this gratuitous pejorative assertion on one's age?

[B]2: You:[/B] Why did you felt and urge to share this shit with us?
[B]Me:[/B] Because facepunch is the birthplace of the behaviour I was fighting against when posting these threads, look at your contraption section, look at the reactions of the people against the "vanilla contest" thread. It sounds like you have forgot the vintage charm of g-mod that, for some of us like me, was the only real reason why loved this game, the struggle against those pesky law of source physics, the failures due to an imprecision in a robot fight, the incredible physic based mechanisms that looked almost impossible and worked against all expectations, the creativity and courage that it implied to be a g-mod player at a time where precision did not exist (Looks like my over-enthusiasm took control of me, sorry). Anyway: Show the world how vintage you can be, have fun, and make us have fun!

[B]3: You:[/B] How are you supposed to know if we build something with easy precision?/Not a very well made competition. Like they've said, there's virtually no way you could tell if someone used easy precision or is just very skilled at positioning props with the PhysGun.
[B]Me:[/B] Good boy... (This one might be a bit aggressive indeed, but I guess you will understand quite fast my reaction. If you really don't I might answer it more consequently though)

[B]4: You:[/B] It looks like this competition is something you threw together to have a chance at competing to the popular builders on this forum: Restricting the tools that make their contraptions the best.
[B]Me:[/B] Well, once again what is your definition of "Best", then please answer to this question: Why should I have an urge to feel better than those people you are talking about? I am not childish enough to think that way... Anyway, I am not part of the competition, I will just eventually post you an example of what is expected if I consider that you didn't grasp the soul of this "contest" (With the "").
[B]
5: You:[/B] So basically this is like that other "vanilla contest" that some kid wrote, but even more retarded and limiting? Well... Sounds like... nope. Not even gonna start with this one.
[B]Me:[/B] There are differences between this contest and the other, well, almost only differences. I explain myself: First we don't have the same "goal", he wanted free building with vanilla, I am just limiting you to do a lot of things and this is not freebuild, definitely not as you have to make something that moves in a way. No houses for example, no prop posing either, you must build some kind of device and make it as vintage as possible. Yes it is VERY limiting, and even retarded if it matches your definition, and that is all the point of it. I don't expect a lot of people to give it a try though, I am not that much idealistic ^^. O

[Lambda 77 :D]

No using the physgun either, just move everything with the gravity gun :pseudo:

[Gunnanmon]

[QUOTE=Lambda 77 :D;20284562]No using the physgun either, just move everything with the gravity gun :pseudo:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunnanmon;20254525]I think the phys gun should be thrown into the mix of tools you can't use. Only a true master could make contraptions without it.[/QUOTE]

[F12Bwth]

Name: SAGE
Email: SAGE
Subject: SAGE

SAGE.. goes in all fields.

[TBoy205]

[QUOTE=Vicious713;20191432]^This

Seriously, the Nail Tool must've been popular with the french, but i havn't touched it since gmod 8 simply because of inefficiency. Your seriously going to restrict us form using the Weld Tool?

Secondly, that Tatourmi's a spah![/QUOTE]

I agree, that is retarded. And no parenting? Wtf is the point of that?

[Skyfire12]

Crowbar and slider should be the only tools allowed.

Or maybe a Gmod Version 3 Contest. Welds, ropes, wheels and non-adjustable thrusters. Bonus crashing if you try to freeze a jeep. Total of 30 different props.

I'm actually temped to enter this contest, but have no clue what to build. :/ Hmmmm...

omlette du fromage omlette du fromage omlette du fromage

[Colonel Jesh]

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;20280671][IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/frog-ssj3.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Looks like DBZ

[PacX]

[QUOTE=Skyfire12;20318588]Crowbar and slider should be the only tools allowed.

Or maybe a Gmod Version 3 Contest. Welds, ropes, wheels and non-adjustable thrusters. Bonus crashing if you try to freeze a jeep. Total of 30 different props.

I'm actually temped to enter this contest, but have no clue what to build. :/ Hmmmm...

omlette du fromage omlette du fromage omlette du fromage[/QUOTE]

If you're on the internet, you shouldn't watch cartoons.
That's just gay :v:

[Skyfire12]

What I can't quote cartoons I loved from my childhood? Fuckin Nazi's I tell ya!

[PacX]

:v: No you cannot! rawr rawr rawr :v:

[DoktorAvidan]

The best thing i ever built was welding thrusters to Iron Man ragdoll feet and watch him flail wildly through the air like the fatcat drunkard he is.

I guess for this contest i will...nail..picky-uppy-movy-thingies to his feets insteads.