[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;24156482]I concur. My buddy's always tell me how much they hate their M16s. It's fucking retarded that the military gives them the same shitty weapon we've been using since Nam.[/QUOTE]
Be careful not to confuse soldiers complaining about literally everything with legitimate problems. We tend to shit all over what we're issued and bitch and moan and piss until we get what we want, at which point we 'realise' (read: decide) what we want is rubbish, too. The natural exception, of course, is when you have something nobody else does :haw:
Although the M16 (like the Steyr) has its issues still, it's a solid weapon and development has fixed a lot of the shortcomings it was designed with. The M9, on the other hand, just is not designed for a combat environment. It was designed for range shooters, people with CCW permits, and cops.
This is turning into a weapons discussion thread.
I don't mind , but just don't derail too much.
[QUOTE=rossmum;24156293]Too bad the M9 is ridiculously large and bulky for what it is and gums up real nice what with that open slide. I heard talk Canada was going to phase out the BHP in favour of the M9 and I nearly had a fucking stroke.
The US military really needs to worry less about fucking politics and personal favours and more about SHIT THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD when it comes to procurement. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the M9, I just hate it as a military sidearm. As a range gun or a carry gun for people who can get away with something that beefy, it's just fine and dandy.
(John Moses Browning supremacy :patriot:)[/QUOTE]
The M9 isn't ridiculously large, it's the same size as the 1911. Which is big for it's caliber, but it's not like it's a Mk 23 or a Desert Eagle.
I've seen plenty of torture test videos of the beretta. It's reliable enough for military use (especially given that sidearms have limited purpose), and is a damn accurate pistol.
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;24156482]I concur. My buddy's always tell me how much they hate their M16s. It's fucking retarded that the military gives them the same shitty weapon we've been using since Nam.[/QUOTE]
Lemme guess, you think AR-15 pattern rifles are jam-O-matic, right?
The only reason the M16 has that reputation was because of problems early on with poor ammunition quality, non-chrome lined barrels with an improper twist rate for the loading used, and the fact that they labeled the rifle "self cleaning" and didn't even hand out any sort of basic operation and cleaning instruction manuals.
Those problems were fixed in the later half of the war with the introduction of proper ammunition and the M16A1, which adressed and fixed the problems of the original M16 and it's prototypes which the military jumped the gun (haw haw) to issue.
So if the AR is SOOO bad, why do various militaries including the British, Greek, and Italian SOF units prefer it over their ordinary infantry weapons?
I'm so lost
Anyway, enough firearms talk.
I really like the lighting on the model, but the background looks terrible. It's all blurred, but has this weird speckling to it.
Dude, the thing is a [i]monster[/i]. The BHP has a reputation (at least here) for being big and heavy for a still-in-service 9mm automatic, and the M9 makes it look small.
Also torture tests mean very little when they're given to the military, because that entails the usually incorrect assumption they're going to be even slightly looked after :v:
It's not a bad gun, just ill-suited to the role, particularly when cheaper, smaller, lighter, and more reliable options have been available for the last 75 years. v:shobon:v
[QUOTE=Loen;24158581]It's all blurred, but has this weird speckling to it.[/QUOTE]
Well not my fault that Garry made Super DoF like that. I don't understand why he changed it.
Honestly I think the new system might be a better representation of how an eye perceives DoF, but I can't tell for sure because every time I try and see what I'm not focusing on looks like I focus on it and it fucks me up :smith:
[QUOTE=rossmum;24159228]Honestly I think the new system might be a better representation of how an eye perceives DoF, but I can't tell for sure because every time I try and see what I'm not focusing on looks like I focus on it and it fucks me up :smith:[/QUOTE]
True dat.
Looks great, really smooth picture. I like the brown best.
But the colors are so pretty
Brown is a color :)
[QUOTE=rossmum;24158938]Dude, the thing is a [i]monster[/i]. The BHP has a reputation (at least here) for being big and heavy for a still-in-service 9mm automatic, and the M9 makes it look small.[/QUOTE]
Clearly you've never held one with an aluminium frame. They're unbelievably light.
[QUOTE=rossmum;24158938]Also torture tests mean very little when they're given to the military, because that entails the usually incorrect assumption they're going to be even slightly looked after :v:[/QUOTE]
No kidding. :v:
Still though, reliability is always a plus.
[QUOTE=rossmum;24159228]Honestly I think the new system might be a better representation of how an eye perceives DoF, but I can't tell for sure because every time I try and see what I'm not focusing on looks like I focus on it and it fucks me up :smith:[/QUOTE]
I know that, but it's way over-exaggerated.
[QUOTE=Hairybastard;24161000]Brown is a color :)[/QUOTE]
Well shit you got me there
e/ strike that, misread
Hello new wallpaper!
can I get links to that model?
[QUOTE=Freelancer Jak;24167661]can I get links to that model?[/QUOTE]
You really want the model?
Learn to read...
[QUOTE=Freelancer Jak;24167661]can I get links to that model?[/QUOTE]
Search blacklight on gmod.org if you want phonged version
I unphonged them here if you'd like.
[url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8702336/Blacklight.rar[/url]
[QUOTE=Back_Slash;24156085]Actually it's getting phased out by the M9 in all of the things you mentioned except the MARSOC who have the sexy marine made MEU mod of the 1911
Yes I'm butthurt about people liking a character from a garbage scrub friendly game[/QUOTE]
you also forgot about Force Recon, all Marine Division Recon battalions, US Army Rangers and Special Forces, Air Force Base Security SWAT teams, Coast Guard DOG, and Border Patrol. Also, the majority of superior officers nowadays (Majors, Colonels, Generals, Commanders, etc) have the 1911 as a preferred sidearm.
The 1911 has been phased out in most standard infantry units, police units, and gang-bangers.
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oh shit, I also forgot about US Army infantry recon, and quite a few foreign armies use 1911's as their sidearms as well.
The 1911 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
[QUOTE=italics560;24174233]you also forgot about Force Recon, all Marine Division Recon battalions, US Army Rangers and Special Forces, Air Force Base Security SWAT teams, Coast Guard DOG, and Border Patrol. Also, the majority of superior officers nowadays (Majors, Colonels, Generals, Commanders, etc) have the 1911 as a preferred sidearm.
The 1911 has been phased out in most standard infantry units, police units, and gang-bangers.
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oh shit, I also forgot about US Army infantry recon, and quite a few foreign armies use 1911's as their sidearms as well.
The 1911 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
When you want a reliable weapon for breaching/clearing, you can't argue with .45 ACP. 9x19 is great for target practice and conventional law enforcement due to magazine capacity and accuracy, but if you're breaching a door, you don't have time to put three extra rounds into someone to make sure they stay down.
In my experience, 1911's are mighty fine weapons. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My only gripe is that the Kimber SUPERLEETPROCARRYULTRA abominations spawned by the 1911 family. They are hideous beyond compare. Personally, I carry a G17 due to weight and magazine capacity, and because I'm not usually clearing rooms everyday. 9x19 JHP's will put any schmoe down no problem.
Anyway, it's a nice picture, albeit a bit boring. If it wasn't a fancy model in the middle (a CS model for example), there probably wouldn't be much to look at.
[QUOTE=fury_161;24175278]When you want a reliable weapon for breaching/clearing, you can't argue with .45 ACP. 9x19 is great for target practice and conventional law enforcement due to magazine capacity and accuracy, but if you're breaching a door, you don't have time to put three extra rounds into someone to make sure they stay down.
In my experience, 1911's are mighty fine weapons. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My only gripe is that the Kimber SUPERLEETPROCARRYULTRA abominations spawned by the 1911 family. They are hideous beyond compare. Personally, I carry a G17 due to weight and magazine capacity, and because I'm not usually clearing rooms everyday. 9x19 JHP's will put any schmoe down no problem.
Anyway, it's a nice picture, albeit a bit boring. If it wasn't a fancy model in the middle (a CS model for example), there probably wouldn't be much to look at.[/QUOTE]
Hey, the springfield ultra compact is a really sexy gun. But those tiny kimbers feel weird, they just don't give me the "extra dick" feeling when I hold one.
I personally carry a smith and wesson model 629 Performance Center with an 7.5in barrel on an customized shoulder holster. Then I carry a Sig Sauer p226 chambered for .40 in a waistband holster.
Since I do bodyguard work, the .40 and the 44 magnum are suitable cartridges for putting down a threat in minimal amount of time.
[QUOTE=italics560;24175759]Hey, the springfield ultra compact is a really sexy gun. But those tiny kimbers feel weird, they just don't give me the "extra dick" feeling when I hold one.
I personally carry a smith and wesson model 629 Performance Center with an 7.5in barrel on an customized shoulder holster. Then I carry a Sig Sauer p226 chambered for .40 in a waistband holster.
Since I do bodyguard work, the .40 and the 44 magnum are suitable cartridges for putting down a threat in minimal amount of time.[/QUOTE]
I just carry in a Miami-Classic Galco, nothing too fancy. My buddy swears by 357 SIG but I'm not that impressed. Also the carry laws in my area are really lenient, so it doesn't even really have to be concealed. This makes a full-frame pistol much easier to carry.
Compacts :smith:
I had no idea there were so many hardcore people here.
[QUOTE=Loen;24158199]The M9 isn't ridiculously large, it's the same size as the 1911. Which is big for it's caliber, but it's not like it's a Mk 23 or a Desert Eagle.[/QUOTE]
I heard the the US military uses a shitty coating on their M9 magazines (the coating being both on the inside and outside when it's supposed to only be on the outside) which causes feeding issues. In fact I hear that the military M9 just plain sucks more than the civillian 92fs
[QUOTE=fury_161;24175278]When you want a reliable weapon for breaching/clearing, you can't argue with .45 ACP. 9x19 is great for target practice and conventional law enforcement due to magazine capacity and accuracy, but if you're breaching a door, you don't have time to put three extra rounds into someone to make sure they stay down. [/QUOTE]
Real life ain't a fucking video game.
A shot to the central nervous system and heart from a 9x19 will put you down just about as quick as a .45 or even a 5.56.
.45 ACP isn't some mega powerful round that puts .50 BMG to shame, and 9x19 isn't a god damn BB gun. .45 ACP is just a heavier projectile going at a typical pistol velocity. The difference between the two is marginal, especially with modern JHPs.
Besides, if you're going to be doing war fighting, you're going to bring something more than a pistol with you. Pistols are pistols, and Rifles are rifles.
[QUOTE=wewt!;24182560]I heard the the US military uses a shitty coating on their M9 magazines (the coating being both on the inside and outside when it's supposed to only be on the outside) which causes feeding issues. In fact I hear that the military M9 just plain sucks more than the civillian 92fs[/QUOTE]
The standard issued STANAG mags suck dicks too. That's why soldiers use Magpul Pmags all the time.
Anyway, this is getting excessive. It would be best to take this discussion to the firearms thread in GD.
but gd is even more like gbs than this place
*runs back to tfr where he knows he is safe*
[QUOTE=Loen;24186547]Real life ain't a fucking video game.
A shot to the central nervous system and heart from a 9x19 will put you down just about as quick as a .45 or even a 5.56.
.45 ACP isn't some mega powerful round that puts .50 BMG to shame, and 9x19 isn't a god damn BB gun. .45 ACP is just a heavier projectile going at a typical pistol velocity. The difference between the two is marginal, especially with modern JHPs.
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Don't get me wrong, 9x19 actually has the highest percent chance of causing hydrostatic shock which can kill someone instantly without hitting any vital organs. .45 ACP FMJ over-penetrates soft targets (usually) thus not exerting all of it's energy, which is a bad thing.
Also any bullet to the heart or brain will put someone down, but that's assuming you get a perfect shot with every single bullet. Think about when adrenaline is going, if a round lacks sufficient stopping power, it's not going to put someone down. Think of that story a few years ago of a U.S. marine taking 11 shots all over the body (not just the body armor), and he was still standing and shooting back.
I'm saying, when you have five seconds to clear the room (5 seconds is the actual room allowance), you don't have time to double check your targets to make sure they're down.
Just go down to the range with some watermelons or ballistic gel (if you feel like making it) and be your own judge. I find the best results come from 12 gauge sabot hollow point.
-Insert buncha fuckin gun gibberish here-
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