Espionage Wars V5: Sadder than Prey 2 getting canceled. - Garry's Mod

[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;50088859]I agree with Rick, but there's not really any factions that closely resemble anything real. [/QUOTE] What, are you joking? [QUOTE=FloaterTWO;50088859] I don't think he should re-work it. I get where you're all coming from, but it's not really a problem.[/QUOTE] I agree.

only thing about them is their strange camo choices for urban / woodland areas

[QUOTE=georgeebizzle;50088883]only thing about them is their strange camo choices for urban / woodland areas[/QUOTE] That's hardly an issue tho, most of the factions here were pretty basic in the beginning with just one camopattern etc.

For the record I don't have anything against any of the groups I named, I just used them as examples.

Making him rework a faction just because you feel it's similar to the PLA is bullshit. He clearly stated the intention of his faction.

taking elements from real world factions to make your own original setup=/=literally changing a letter and even that is better than a generic mary sue pmc

[QUOTE=Fredrika;50088898]Id say all of these are pretty original tbh[/QUOTE] Key features, aspects and their history sure, but their general concepts share alot of similarities with RL counterparts too obvious to ignore.

Everyone pipe down while I sort this shit out. I made a decision based on observations pointed out to me by others. If he has plans to make his faction much less like the PLA, then he can carry on, I am simply going with what me and others are seeing. But as of now, there's similarities which I think need to be reworked a little. Even the name sounds similar, and that's the tipping point. At least the name of Tbonia sounds nothing like Russian Armed Forces. And the comparison between the two is starting to piss me off.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;50088875]What, are you joking?[/QUOTE] No? I'm really not. The AWA comparison could be drawn to any islamic extremist or rebel group in the middle east. It's such a generic concept in this day and age that it's not like there's any one unique example that they're ripping off or inspired by. The whole "tbonia/ssr/srp are just russians" thing really needs to fucking stop. In the case of Tbonia, it's especially annoying because of how much work Tbone puts in to make Tbonia a unique faction with their own history and lore. It's just plain insulting to just label Tbonia as a knockoff of Russia. The other factions that get branded as Russian knockoffs may not be as fleshed out, but they're definately not just carbon copies of the russian military.

[QUOTE='Ninja Nub[NOR];50088901']taking elements from real world factions to make your own original setup=/=literally changing a letter[/QUOTE] While the name he picked might be shit he made it clear they're separate from the PLA, plus, there's alot of differences such as the fact that 1) it's a fucking peacekeeping group 2) they're not all chinese 3) they operate outside of China. Like I said, he obviously needs to flesh out more of the details but like Rick pointed it angel_ made it pretty clear they're not PLA.

[QUOTE=F T;50088499]To be honest, and after discussing it with others, I say you have to rework your faction. I mean it really just seems like you're trying to be the PLA, without being the PLA. And since your faction is asian-based, it's jarring to see actual asians be a minority.[/QUOTE] If I'm honest this whole like; You need be at this level to ESP. Is part of the reason why ESP is so stagnant now. Like as-long as you aren't t-posed models jpeg_quality 10 level you should be allowed to participate, The only way people are going to be able to improve anyhow is by being in the community and just in general posing more. When ESP was still in it's hay day it was 85% Mediocre and Bad content but Good content was born out of that Mediocre/Bad content because of how alive ESP was and how it attracted so many different people. TL;DR NOSTALGIA NOSTALGIA, Jenkins should be OP again.

[QUOTE=F T;50088913] But as of now, there's similarities which I think need to be reworked a little. Even the name sounds similar, and that's the tipping point. [/QUOTE] What is wrong with WLA. It's a international thing, the name even fits for the purpose of his faction. If we're gonna call BS on names now, then I'd have to swap. Because Vice Union is similar to Soviet Union.

[QUOTE=Rick VIce;50089098]If we're gonna call BS on names now, then I'd have to swap. Because Vice Union is similar to Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] That's stretching it [I]really [/I]far.

[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50089041]If I'm honest this whole like; You need be at this level to ESP. Is part of the reason why ESP is so stagnant now. Like as-long as you aren't t-posed models jpeg_quality 10 level you should be allowed to participate, The only way people are going to be able to improve anyhow is by being in the community and just in general posing more. When ESP was still in it's hay day it was 85% Mediocre and Bad content but Good content was born out of that Mediocre/Bad content because of how alive ESP was and how it attracted so many different people. TL;DR NOSTALGIA NOSTALGIA, Jenkins should be OP again.[/QUOTE] No Jenkins, you shouldn't. [sp]You're so full of shit (and yourself) that it'd be a fucking bad idea to have you as OP again. And I'm saying that in the nicest way possible. You really should stop looking back all the time too, we get it, you loved V1/V2/V3 etc. etc. but the past is in the past and quite frankly people change over the years, including you, for better and worse. I know most of you are probably going to disagree with me but I don't care to be honest, it needed to be said. Plan for the future, nostalgia trips can only keep you going for so long.[/sp] EW is stagnant because we don't have much new people anymore, it doesn't exactly help either when people get booted the minute they step through the door. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("The fuck is this dumb drama shit" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;50089120] EW is stagnant because we don't have much new people anymore, it doesn't exactly help either when people get booted the minute they step through the door.[/QUOTE] I agree with this 100%. I've talked to lots of people who want to join this thread but they're too intimidated because they think everyone is going to laugh them right out of the thread as soon as they get into it.

Well that was a pretty heartfelt vaguely aggressive and patronizing response to what was a jokey little part of my post. And if we are going to be serious about this if I'm honest you never made any points to why it'd be a "fucking bad idea" you just kinda blew hot air in my face and said I was full of shit. Regardless my point still stands about how over the years there's been a like quality bar put in place or "people get booted the minute they step through the door" to use your words.

Maybe a change of management would be for the better. FT's "but jenkins had two threads so i should too" argument is complete and utter bullshit when you really look into it. Greatdictator was OP for less than a month. Jenkins was OP for less than a year. FT has been OP for nearly THREE YEARS. It's no fucking wonder it's getting stagnant.

[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;50089155]Maybe a change of management would be for the better. FT's "but jenkins had two threads so i should too" argument is complete and utter bullshit when you really look into it. Greatdictator was OP for less than a month. Jenkins was OP for less than a year. FT has been OP for nearly THREE YEARS. It's no fucking wonder it's getting stagnant.[/QUOTE] So this is what it all boils down to, that I'm a terrible OP?

you all take your forum roleplay serious dont ya suppose you have to though sometimes if you want it flowing smoothly

[QUOTE=F T;50089169]So this is what it all boils down to, that I'm a terrible OP?[/QUOTE] [quote]"ooh thats bullshit you cant do that but FUCK you I'm the OP bitch" -FT just moments ago in Discord[/quote] The 'power' does seem to be going to your head a little, but that's kind of irrelevant. It boils down to you having been the OP for nearly three years.

I don't understand this. Why? I'm not breaking the rules, is a fictional faction based on something real. My faction is bad because is similar to the PLA? the name, the story, the equipment, the flag, everything of this faction is based on the PLA. I only want fun on this game but I end up annoyed for this.

Don't take it personally, it's not your fault. This is all just residual drama that's been a thing way before you joined.

[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;50089187]The 'power' does seem to be going to your head a little, but that's kind of irrelevant. It boils down to you having been the OP for nearly three years.[/QUOTE] Several things wrong here. 1. I was making a joke. 2. You weren't there, so of course context here is missing. 3. Someone's leaked something again. But I understand it, I get it. Every decision that I've made based on others input has always gotten the same people angry. Looking back, everything i've ever done here has rubbed someone the wrong way. I should've figured what happened to Viper was going to happen to me as well sooner or later. So I rescind my statement towards angel_. The majority here rules in his favor, so my post is now null.

[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;50089155]Maybe a change of management would be for the better.[/QUOTE] I would like another go at OP again if I'm honest, even though I was mostly joking with my "TL;DR NOSTALGIA NOSTALGIA, Jenkins should be OP again.". I think I'd be able to do a better job than I did before, and I like to think people thought I was a pretty good OP. But I totally understand if people want some new blood or just flat out don't like me.

I personally think all of this... 'negative' attitude and stuff needs to be taken off the thread. Not saying the conversation is negative or anyones wrong or anything like that. No. It's actually been somewhat civil and rather constructive. But I personally don't think the thread is where we should all be having this discussion at all really, because I feel it'd just escalate to a point that no one wants to go to, since I've seen one or two jabs rather than constructive responses. That's just my two cents. In other news. Look forward to some content in the next few days from me. :pudge:

I wanna join in but I can't find the right map I want to showcase my stuff :s:

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/255920778/ESP/centralpact.jpg[/img] [quote]Boliverian Major General Javier Hernández takes a "selfie" with Kuril Colonel Dmitri Alexei Sokolovich and Tbonian Colonel Dieter Kamov during celebrations after the meeting in the Boliverian Capital for the official forming of the Central Pact; An official Coalition between Kuril, Tbonia and Boliveria. All countries have agreed to full cooperation with each other in further military, economical and trade endeavors.[/quote]

Some people join this thread to get away from drama and bullshit so let's keep it that way. If the majority feels there should be a new OP, so be it. [editline]8th April 2016[/editline] Actually, fuck it. F T has been trying his best since he started. Just giving him shit because he does something an OP is supposed to do is lame. Give him a break. [editline]8th April 2016[/editline] He does one thing people don't like and you all start bitching. "lol ok new op this dude's decision i don't like at all" All of you were praising him a couple of pages ago with the Cooperevans occurring. Just stop.

[QUOTE=DaFrostIsReal;50090119]Just stop.[/QUOTE] You should take your own advice, you're continuing it right now.

I can have my say in this. If every member can I can aswell.