[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793224]1. Ever heard of a thing called a snip? I used :words: to indicate it was a snip. The purpose of snips are to prevent the page from being painfully long.
2. Everyone's time is only being wasted because of you and OP. Had OP not become a dick from the start and had you not come in, we would've been over with this already. However, this is not the case, as OP threw a tantrum over what was previously friendly advice that would avoid making him homeless over a computer.[/QUOTE]
This isn't about "who started it" or even "who continued it." It's about who's helpful and who isn't. Trying to help by telling him to spend less obviously got nowhere, so the next logical thing is to help by doing what he asked for - giving him a nice PC build. And if spending $4000 would make you homeless then I feel sorry for you, but surprise surprise, that's not the case for everyone else in the world just because it's your own situation.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793262]I can gladly tell you I'm 17 and 18 in January... if you read my birth date on my Facebook.
Truthly. You must have the maturity of an 11 year old for continuously arguing about non-sense.[/QUOTE]
Care to tell me what part of [I]helping the guy who wants help[/I] [B]more[/B] nonsense than [U]continuing[/U] to tell him he's spending more than he needs to when he's made [U]it plainly clear he doesn't care[/U]? It's nonsense to keep beating the dead horse.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793295]Because not caring about what he spends makes him a [u]bad shopper[/u] and more arrogant to listen to advice that could offer better value for money rather than buy everything that is top spec'd.[/QUOTE]
And that's his problem. Not yours. So everyone who buys a Porsche, Lambo, BMW, Ferrari etc are bad shoppers because they could get a perfectly functional used car for $10k, right?
As to you saying your 7770 will perform similar to SLI 680's:
[img]http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680_SLI/images/perfrel.gif[/img]
Yeah, 38% is similar, right?
[QUOTE=and;36793266]This isn't about "who started it" or even "who continued it." It's about who's helpful and who isn't. Trying to help by telling him to spend less obviously got nowhere, so the next logical thing is to help by doing what he asked for - giving him a nice PC. And if spending $4000 would make you homeless then I feel sorry for you, but surprise surprise, that's not the case for everyone else in the world just because it's your own condition.[/QUOTE]
There's a line between important and non-important. In theory, what if OP's family had an emergency or OP got into an accident himself? By spending all of the $4K, he'd have no money to pay off the medical bills. You can't go spending like a drunken sailor: you just never know what'll happen next. Even as little as $2K could mean the difference between OP filing for bankruptcy with the interest, or being able to get out of the gutter by a hair.
As for your point about a RAM disk, it's much cheaper price per gigabyte-wise to get a SSD instead of a metric fuckton of RAM.
[QUOTE=and;36793165]I'm glad you have your own opinions on how you want to spend your own money. [B]It's too bad you can't respect others' rights to be able to do the same.[/B]
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I do. The only thing I want them to do is save money, I can only suggest spending $1500 for their current build and then paying for a new GPU when that one comes out. As long as the motherboard and case is compatible.
Keeping your machine up to date with the new parts companies release keeps it in top-spec. Even last year's graphics cards and CPUs perform well.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793320]There's a line between important and non-important. In theory, what if OP's family had an emergency or OP got into an accident himself? By spending all of the $4K, he'd have no money to pay off the medical bills. You can't go spending like a drunken sailor: you just never know what'll happen next. Even as little as $2K could mean the difference between OP filing for bankruptcy with the interest, or being able to get out of the gutter by a hair.
As for your point about a RAM disk, it's much cheaper price per gigabyte-wise to get a SSD instead of a metric fuckton of RAM.[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling if he's ready to spend this much on a computer, he and his family probably have enough to take care of themselves with or without the cash. And SSDs are also a metric fuckton slower than RAMdisks.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793349]But does he need a GTX680 SLI combo to achieve 1920x1080 max settings with no aa at around 25-30fps average?
NOPE.[/QUOTE]
Should everyone in the world give up on building fast computers because you [img]https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173791_1826005583_947890919_n.jpg[/img] say so? Nope. I'm glad you have your own opinions on how you want to spend your own money. It's too bad you can't respect others' rights to be able to do the same.
[QUOTE=digigamer17;36793343]I do. The only thing I want them to do is save money, I can only suggest spending $1500 for their current build and then paying for a new GPU when that one comes out. As long as the motherboard and case is compatible.
Keeping your machine up to date with the new parts companies release keeps it in top-spec. Even last year's graphics cards and CPUs perform well.[/QUOTE]
For the umpth time so far in this thread, I agree, that's a better way to do things, but that's clearly not what OP wants to do with his own resources. So that's the end of that.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793349]But does he need a GTX680 SLI combo to achieve 1920x1080 max settings with no aa at around 25-30fps average on Bf3?
NOPE.[/QUOTE]
Before and replies spewing out more devil's advocate BS and to add on to this: if you were wanting to go on Germany's Autobahn at 100 mph, you would have two options at a dealership: a good Chevy that can do that, and a Ford with a lot of horsepower. The Chevy costs ~75K, but the Ford costs ~120K. Just because both can do 100 mph doesn't mean that the Ford is better because of its horsepower. Any smart buyer that is tight on money would get the Chevy, and possibly use the money left over to give their son or daughter an average $25K car.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793409]Before and replies spewing out more devil's advocate BS and to add on to this: if you were wanting to go on Germany's Autobahn at 100 mph, you would have two options at a dealership: a good Chevy that can do that, and a Ford with a lot of horsepower. The Chevy costs ~75K, but the Ford costs ~120K. Just because both can do 100 mph doesn't mean that the Ford is better because of its horsepower. Any smart buyer that is tight on money would get the Chevy, and possibly use the money left over to give their son or daughter an average $25K car.[/QUOTE]
Except this all depends on individual budgets, preferences, et cetera. If people want to buy the $120k ford, they will and there's nothing you can do to stop them. That's all there is to it.
By the way and, scraping people's Facebook pictures and putting them in your posts does NOT make you badass. Just goes to show that you're trying too hard.
Plus where's that photo proof of your A+ certification? Don't try to use a get out of jail free card with "personal info" as you can easily black it out. I'm starting to doubt it more and more if your advice should be taken seriously.
Its not even like A+ really means anything, both the knowledge it test and the test itself are piss simple.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793472]I never suggested that everyone should listen to me.
I'm actually supporting everyone but your pointless argument because you know in yourself spending $4000 regardless if he cares or not is pointless that's what we're all trying to say.
Let's do the numbers.
[URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130769"]EVGA Super clocked GTX680 2GB at $519.99 + shipping[/URL] x2 for this so called SLI. That's over $1000 GONE.
[URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125415"]My Gigabyte HD 7770 OC at $139 + free shipping.[/URL]
Let's say for example.
BF3 1920x1200 4x aa and max
28.4 average. Fair enough right for a $139 card.
Now the GTX 680 not in SLI.
(note this is the MSI GTX680 lighting but this also shows a standard GTX680)
71.8 average and 76.4 for the lighting edition for $520
It's not worth the cash spent.[/QUOTE]
I already said I know there are better ways to spend money. You're arguing with yourself.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793490]By the way and, scraping people's Facebook pictures and putting them in your posts does NOT make you badass. Just goes to show that you're trying too hard.
Plus where's that photo proof of your A+ certification? Don't try to use a get out of jail free card with "personal info" as you can easily black it out. I'm starting to doubt it more and more if your advice should be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]
Not posting it. (I can just as easily say none of you should even be giving him advice at all as to what is or isn't worth it because none of you have posted your A+s. See how this works?) And yeah, doubt my advice even though I [B]explained every single component choice in detail as to why they were fitting, more than anyone else in this whole thread has done.[/B] You guys are just running in circles at this point.
[QUOTE=and;36793531]Not posting it.[/QUOTE]
If you're not going to post it, then why did you say you have an A+ in the first place? Wouldn't be surprising if someone else asked for proof too.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793551]If you're not going to post it, then why did you say you have an A+ in the first place? Wouldn't be surprising if someone else asked for proof too.[/QUOTE]
If you're not all posting your A+s, then none of you can be trusted to build computers anyways. Nobody else in here has even said they're certified for anything. Get it yet? Your sense of logic is entertaining.
Even better, you agreed with:
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36793509]Its not even like A+ really means anything, both the knowledge it test and the test itself are piss simple.[/QUOTE]
So if that's the case, then why does it matter whether or not I have it? (which I do, by the way. And yeah it is pretty simple if you know as much as I do about hardware, but nobody else in this thread seems to.)
[QUOTE=and;36793569]If you're not all posting your A+s, then none of you can be trusted to build computers anyways. Nobody else in here has even said they're certified for anything. Get it yet? Your sense of logic is entertaining.[/QUOTE]
As SEKCobra said, A+'s mean nothing in the first place. At this point, you're trying to run away from the situation, as you know you fucked up big time.
Potato.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793596]As SEKCobra said, A+'s mean nothing in the first place. At this point, you're trying to run away from the situation, as you know you fucked up big time.[/QUOTE]
The best argument you can come up with at this point is putting words in my mouth? In that case, I'll take that as an admission that you know you're all wasting your time.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793604]Because not even my technician friends who I used to work with as work experience (who also showed me their A+ qualifications and networking certificates) would suggest building $4000 worth of over kill computing power.
TL;DR
We do not believe you.[/QUOTE]
Then I would gladly take the $4k job from your tech friends. Good thing my expertise doesn't hang on whether or not you believe me. Not that it matters since none of you have even shown an ability to figure out how to make the most effective use of a budget in this class anyways.
[QUOTE=and;36793607]The best argument you can come up with at this point is putting words in my mouth? In that case, I'll take that as an admission that you know you're all wasting your time.[/QUOTE]
Only because of you and the fact that OP was being a dick.
If OP does go ahead with it, he better not come flailing back here bitching about how he could've spent much less to get the same performance.
Obviously your fucking ego hangs on this thread, you said you won't leave till the OP gets his PC.
Also, how was my build not a lot better than yours? It is obviously the superior 4k build!
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36793637]Obviously your fucking ego hangs on this thread, you said you won't leave till the OP gets his PC.
Also, how was my build not a lot better than yours? It is obviously the superior 4k build![/QUOTE]
I already told you why it was a poor choice of components. You rated the post dumb, remember?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793643]My dropbox link proves that I have and that it suffices for a "GAMING" class.
If you want to be technical yes it is a "BUDGET GAMING RIG" but it does its job well.[/QUOTE]
And this guy isn't on a budget, thus argument is invalidated. Easy as that.
Look, if OP also wanted to do CAD and video editing, then and's build would make a bit more sense, but not a lot of it. OP only specified gaming, nothing else.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793678]Your argument is invalid by about $2000-2800 dollars worth.[/QUOTE]
$2000-$2800 to you, maybe. Value is subjective. If you don't understand what that means, read [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_value[/URL]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793663]Look, if OP also wanted to do CAD and video editing, then and's build would make a bit more sense, but not a lot of it. OP only specified gaming, nothing else.[/QUOTE]
[B][u]Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today[/u], and he's shown that he knows and doesn't care. He has shitloads of money and wanted something that will last. Thus I built it. Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.[/B]
[QUOTE=and;36793703]$2000-$2800 to you, maybe. Value is subjective. If you don't understand what that means, read [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_value[/url]
[b]Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today, and he's shown that he knows and doesn't care. He has shitloads of money and wanted something that will last. Thus I built it. Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.[/b][/QUOTE]
How many clients have bitched to you about the price of (mostly) machines that will most likely be used as Facebook machines? Have you built an overkill machine where the client only uses it for Facebook?
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793730]How many clients have bitched to you about the price of (mostly) machines that will most likely be used as Facebook machines? Have you built an overkill machine where the client only uses it for Facebook?[/QUOTE]
I ask what they're going to use it for. If it's just facebook/FB games/youtube, then I build them a basic $400ish machine. I have never tried to sell someone a gaming computer for web browsing, and I've never had price complaints, although I have gotten a fair of feedback on how surprisingly fast even cheap modern machines are with a fresh install of Win7. Why do you ask?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793737]Why?
Uhh... yeah there is. It's called convincing and people someone that is willing to say "hey you're making a wrong move, try this"
Think of this as a chess game as you like.
You have a queen in a killer spot for a check mate and a spot where you could lose your queen from a horse.
Examples: take the King for being the safer $2000 or less build with savings for upgrades.
Lose the Queen for being careless.
What would you choose?
I would certainly go for checkmate and purchase parts for a $2000 or less build because I know it's a safer option and if something does go wrong(which I doubt) then hey presto I have money to repair what's damaged/broken.[/QUOTE]
Look at the guy's attitude. You really think he's going to change his mind with any amount of threadshitting? The only sensible way forward was to just make the damn build, so I did.
One other point to add: even Geek Squad out of all places would tell you you're paying too much if an employee was willing to be honest about things at the time. Unfortunately, they want to say it, but they can't and will just try to sell you some shit HP.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36793782]One other point to add: even Geek Squad out of all places would tell you you're paying too much if an employee was willing to be honest about things at the time. Unfortunately, they want to say it, but they can't and will just try to sell you some shit HP.[/QUOTE]
I know, I have multiple friends who also work in computer sales at Staples, Best Buy, etc.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36793783]You could of tried. Instead of just instantly throwing 2 pages worth of thread shitting yourself.[/QUOTE]
If 1.5 pages of making the point were lost on him earlier, one more post wouldn't have made a difference.
Well it's been a nice conversation guys. I'll see you around the forums.
wow this guy "and" is completely missing the point. no one is preventing OP from purchasing his computer, we are advising him not to. his build is inherently stupid and will not be used to its maximum potential. it is overkill for the sake of being overkill. there is a tiny margin of performance gain with all the extra money he is pumping into his build, and it generally will not benefit him in any way shape or form. having money in your pocket weighs more in life than the odd 40-50GB of RAM that he will NEVER use.
if you cannot see that the tier of hardware he wants to purchase is unnecessary then you must be as dumb as him, regardless of whether or not you are a "PC Building professional". his argument is moronic and will never hold up; he wants to buy these things because they will 'last him'. they most certainly won't and almost everyone in this thread knows this but you. he is buying something for the sake of buying it. he doesn't even think or listen to what we think about it. sure, it's not my money, but I hate seeing people buy things that they will NEVER use, or at least not to their full potential.
Just noticed the OP hasn't posted in a while. I think we should just let him buy his super mega waste of money machine. If he hasn't been converted yet despite all the debate back and forth for the past few pages, I doubt we can do anything now. Let him throw his money at marginal changes in performance, and let's change our attention to people in the forum who are actually appreciative of our help.
[QUOTE=fixture;36793836]wow this guy "and" is completely missing the point. no one is preventing OP from purchasing his computer, we are advising him not to. his build is inherently stupid and will not be used to its maximum potential. it is overkill for the sake of being overkill. there is a tiny margin of performance gain with all the extra money he is pumping into his build, and it generally will not benefit him in any way shape or form. having money in your pocket weighs more in life than the odd 40-50GB of RAM that he will NEVER use.
if you cannot see that the tier of hardware he wants to purchase then you must be as dumb as him, regardless of whether or not you are a "PC Building professional". his argument is moronic and will never hold up; he wants to buy these things because they will 'last him'. they most certainly won't and almost everyone in this thread knows this but you. he is buying something for the sake of buying it. he doesn't even think or listen to what we think about it. sure, it's not my money, but I hate seeing people buy things that they will NEVER use, or at least not to their full potential.[/QUOTE]
That's why I always make second thoughts when I'm building one.
I still don't see the big deal. Some people have disposable incomes and have a lot of money to spend. Clearly there is a lot more practical things he could buy with $4000, but who cares, it's his money, and he wants a $4000 computer; it's a hobby.
Am I an idiot for spending thousands of dollars on my second car? No, it's something I love to work on and drive.
[QUOTE=and;36793802]I know, I have multiple friends who also work in computer sales at Staples, Best Buy, etc.
If 1.5 pages of making the point were lost on him earlier, one more post wouldn't have made a difference.
Well it's been a nice conversation guys. I'll see you around the forums.[/QUOTE]
Alright then, I'll agree to a truce with you.
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