I want to buy 64 GB of RAM because future games will need it.
In the future: Yo mate, check out my 3,4 GHz RAM, yo! So hows your build doing?
Well I have 64 gigs of 1,2 GHz ram!
This is a crude example, but maybe it enlightens and or op.
[QUOTE=fixture;36793836]wow this guy "and" is completely missing the point. no one is preventing OP from purchasing his computer, we are advising him not to. his build is inherently stupid and will not be used to its maximum potential. it is overkill for the sake of being overkill. there is a tiny margin of performance gain with all the extra money he is pumping into his build, and it generally will not benefit him in any way shape or form. having money in your pocket weighs more in life than the odd 40-50GB of RAM that he will NEVER use.
if you cannot see that the tier of hardware he wants to purchase is unnecessary then you must be as dumb as him, regardless of whether or not you are a "PC Building professional". his argument is moronic and will never hold up; he wants to buy these things because they will 'last him'. they most certainly won't and almost everyone in this thread knows this but you. he is buying something for the sake of buying it. he doesn't even think or listen to what we think about it. sure, it's not my money, but I hate seeing people buy things that they will NEVER use, or at least not to their full potential.[/QUOTE]
Whoops, looks like I missed one more blind person.
Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today. I agree! We're saying the same thing. OP's shown that he knows and doesn't care. He has shitloads of money and wanted something that will last. Thus I built it. Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.
[editline]16th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=QuikKill;36793853]I still don't see the big deal. Some people have disposable incomes and have a lot of money to spend. Clearly there is a lot more practical things he could buy with $4000, but who cares, it's his money, and he wants a $4000 computer; it's a hobby.
Am I an idiot for spending thousands of dollars on my second car? No, it's something I love to work on and drive.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36793860]I want to buy 64 GB of RAM because future games will need it.
In the future: Yo mate, check out my 3,4 GHz RAM, yo! So hows your build doing?
Well I have 64 gigs of 1,2 GHz ram!
This is a crude example, but maybe it enlightens and or op.[/QUOTE]
You're making a clockspeed vs capacity argument? That's not even the least bit relevant here...
[QUOTE=and;36793862]Whoops, looks like I missed one more blind person.
Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today. I agree! We're saying the same thing. OP's shown that he knows and doesn't care. He has shitloads of money and [b]wanted something that will last. Thus I built it.[/b] Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.[/QUOTE]
No. You can't.
[QUOTE=and;36793862]Whoops, looks like I missed one more blind person.
Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today. I agree! We're saying the same thing. OP's shown that he knows and doesn't care. [B]He has shitloads of money and wanted something that will last. Thus I built it.[/B] Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.
[editline]16th July 2012[/editline]
This.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I did not read that, I must admit. but something has still gone completely over your head. it WILL NOT LAST
You can build a fast PC that will last [b]longer[/b] than a more budgetized PC. I agree, there is no such thing as literally "futureproof" tech. But OP will just have to upgrade in 5-7 years instead of 3-5 years with more sane builds.
No PC will last 5-7 years. 3-4 is the absolute maximum, simply because by then, there are new generations of everything. You cant make this period longer, not even slightly.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36793909]No PC will last 5-7 years. 3-4 is the absolute maximum, simply because by then, there are new generations of everything. You cant make this period longer, not even slightly.[/QUOTE]
Funny you say that. My gaming PC right now runs on a Q6600 running at 3Ghz, a CPU from 2007, which is now 5-something years old and wasn't even top-end for its own time. It runs BF3 on high with 30ish FPS with a 5850, now a 3 year old card. I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon because I have other things to spend money on now.
my Dell desktop lasted me a good 5 years and I only had to replace the video card once for about $170 USD. still, though, it is 2012 now and no one should be building for something "to last". as we saw in one of the other pages of the thread two GTX 4xx cards came out in the same year and the newer one nearly doubled the performance
arguably a $1500-$2000 build should still last you 4-5 years. but buying the best hardware "to last" is silly and spending $4200 on a gaming PC is something I will never get my head around
[QUOTE=and;36793927]Funny you say that. My gaming PC right now runs on a Q6600 running at 3Ghz, a CPU from 2007, which is now 5-something years old and wasn't even top-end for its own time. It runs BF3 on high with 30ish FPS with a 5850.[/QUOTE]
You realize the 5850 is an upgrade you did in the meantime? As well as that BF3 is mostly GPU intensive? And also that BF3 is a lot more optimized than many older games?
Give me your A+ and I'll personally request that they revoke it.
You cannot futureproof a PC for over 4-5 years, because companies will always have a new technologies up their sleeves that won't be compatible with old hardware (e.g.: DX12). The "futureproof" argument is dumb, and now invalid. This is why no sane people buy top-of-the-line $4k PCs for gaming, because they know that new technologies won't be backwards compatible.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36793945]You realize the 5850 is an upgrade you did in the meantime? As well as that BF3 is mostly GPU intensive? And also that BF3 is a lot more optimized than many older games?
Give me your A+ and I'll personally request that they revoke it.[/QUOTE]
No, my 5850 grew in all by itself, I never installed it myself as an upgrade or anything. BF3 makes use of up to 8 hardware CPU threads and will see FPS increases continually until that critera is met. BF3 is on high is real hardware-light, yeah, nobody uses it as a go-to benchmark these days or anything. And yeah, because the cert groups will [I]revoke[/I] someone's cert for putting it to good use. Your entire nonsense post has just been picked apart to pieces. Good day!
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36793964]You cannot futureproof a PC for over 4-5 years, because companies will always have a new technologies up their sleeves that won't be compatible with old hardware (e.g.: DX12). The "futureproof" argument is dumb, and now invalid. This is why no sane people buy top-of-the-line $4k PCs for gaming, because they know that new technologies won't be backwards compatible.[/QUOTE]
See above. My 2007 hardware is running 2012 games quite handily, thank you.
I just don't understand why the OP wouldn't split the money. If you spent $2000 now, and then $500 each successive year, you'd end up with a better rig in year 4 than you would if you blew it all at the beginning. Plus, you could make quite a lot of your money back by selling the old hardware that you replaced.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;36794054]I just don't understand why the OP wouldn't split the money. If you spent $2000 now, and then $500 each successive year, you'd end up with a better rig in year 4 than you would if you blew it all at the beginning. Plus, you could make quite a lot of your money back by selling the old hardware that you replaced.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Shame he's not willing to go that route.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;36794083]So the question still stands.
Why the hell did you go and give him a $4000 list when you could of agreed outright minimizing the amount of threadshit we just went through for the past few hours instead of what everyone was saying.
You dug a massive hole.[/QUOTE]
I agreed from the very beginning that this was a silly way of doing things. I just went with it anyways because he's not changing his mind.
[QUOTE=and;36794106]I agreed from the very beginning that this was a silly way of doing things. I just went with it anyways because he's not changing his mind.[/QUOTE]
Good. We're all on the same page now.
OP can do what he wants, but he has "more money than computer sense".
His goal in building a system is impossible.
He insulted people who tried who help him.
He's not going to change his mind, so our job is done.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;36794691]Good. We're all on the same page now.
OP can do what he wants, but he has "more money than computer sense".
His goal in building a system is impossible.
He insulted people who tried who help him.
He's not going to change his mind, so our job is done.[/QUOTE]
Your job was never to change his mind. It was to help him build a $4000 computer.
Jesus guys, help or dont post!
Expressing your opinions over and over again does not count as helping.
If something has already been suggested, there's no need to re-iterate the same point in a new post, that's what ratings are for.
Keep this on track or it gets locked.
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;36790011]Okay. Get a $1500 build now. We're not saying get an entirely new $1500 rig every single year. What we're trying to tell you without you dismissing it is that you can get a perfectly fine GAMING computer with $1500 (note I said gaming, so there's no reason to get a fucking grand i7, i5s perform just as good) and then use [I]maybe[/I] $500 max the next year to update it substantially.
Intel isn't leaving the 1155 socket for quite a long time, so that would leave you with only ever having to possibly upgrade RAM, CPU, or GPU.
Lets say you get an i5-3570k/GTX 670/16gb build now for $1500. That right there is right at the cap for price/performance. anything past that [B]WILL NOT[/B] get you significantly better performance, but it [B]WILL[/B] cost you much more.
Now then, imagine a year passes, Haswell comes out, and Nvidia is on the 7xx series. GTX 670 will be around $300, and the new i5 k cpu will probably be around $230. If the Ivy -> Haswell jump is anything like Sandy ->Ivy, it won't be necessary to update the processor. But games will be more demanding! SLI your 670, and if you feel that you have been using too much RAM at once, feel free to get another 2x8 kit to throw in there for ~$100.
Guess what? That $1500 build now has cost you a total of $1900. And it will have gotten you similar performance to your original $4000 build. Sure buying everything that's top tier now will keep you from upgrading, but not for NEARLY as long as you'd think. Computer hardware is moving so fast now that things are outdated within a year. Don't tell us we're just not used to dealing with such high budgets, it's just the fact that extremely high budgets are unnecessary.
[editline]15th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=deaded38;36789826]Someone with absolutely no brain. Seriously, I want to spend money now, and spend money a few years from now. Not once every year. It's a difference in opinion, really. If you want to keep updating every year and have a slightly better PC each year, go for it. But I don't mind too much if I'm a little outdated five years from now. I'll still be able to play games, so why does it matter?[/QUOTE]
Tell that to people who still have GT 8800s now, and see how they're struggling to play modern games on medium.[/QUOTE]
OP, if you still even give a shit about this terrible thread, read this. Seriously. You don't need a $4k computer.
[editline]16th July 2012[/editline]
How is this even remotely dumb, sorry for one last go at helping. Didn't know that was frowned upon.
Now for some actual help, and going off of the earlier build:
[img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k3GL8mrsHJI/UARaH48aAuI/AAAAAAAACjw/A-fOWtmxHFc/s900/deaded3.png[/img]
link: [url]http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14936529[/url]
Modified it so it's a bit less wasteful yet. Changes:
Swapped out the mobo for something that fits the bill without being overpriced at all.
Swapped the dual superclocked 680s for the cheapest and also one of the best-rated (and also slightly-overclocked) 670s from MSI that can be overclocked even more to be nearly equal to the 680s anyways.
Swapped out the 512GB Vertex 4 for a 256GB one. This is still one of the best SSDs for real-world tasks.
Swapped out the H100 for a Hyper 212 evo. One of the best reasonably-priced coolers out there, will cost you a lot less than the H100 and be less of a pain to install, not to mention OC margins are going to be similar. The important thing is getting off the stock cooler.
Removed the 1TB velociraptor, that was pretty wasteful at $300. You can just get a hard drive later if you need more storage, but the 256GB SSD should be plenty for now.
Total: $2200 (instead of $3400 for "and" or $4100 in OP)
[b]Update:[/b]
Made a few more adjustments:
Swapped the RAM for a 1333MHz kit which costs a lot less. Memory speed means jack shit for anything except memory bandwidth benchmarks.
Swapped the PSU for something more fitting and less overpriced.
Swapped the case for something essentially just as nice except for half the price.
Total is now $1950 and performance is going to be next to equivalent with "and"'s build and better than the build in the OP.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;36796479]Let him spend his money.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[b]Update 2:[/b]
Just a few more changes:
Replaced the MSI 670's with some Gigabyte ones with much better cooling at the same price.
Replaced the 256GB vertex 4 with a 128GB one. Let's be real here.
Total: $1820
I'm tempted to buy this thing myself now.
[b]Update 3:[/b]
Swapped the PSU again for something cheaper and modular. Total: $1803.91. Updated screenshot.
Let him spend his money.
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;36796000]OP, if you still even give a shit about this terrible thread, read this. Seriously. You don't need a $4k computer.
[editline]16th July 2012[/editline]
How is this even remotely dumb, sorry for one last go at helping. Didn't know that was frowned upon.[/QUOTE]
This is why you were rated dumb:
[QUOTE=cosmic duck;36795816]Jesus guys, help or dont post!
Expressing your opinions over and over again does not count as helping.
If something has already been suggested, there's no need to re-iterate the same point in a new post, that's what ratings are for.
Keep this on track or it gets locked.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read his post? Refer to the over and over part; you weren't the first and won't be the last to get mad when someone wants to buy a really expensive computer.
Now give me a second while I make him a computer.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
[url]http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14937069[/url]
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[QUOTE=QuikKill;36796732]This is why you were rated dumb:
Did you even read his post? Refer to the over and over part; you weren't the first and won't be the last to get mad when someone wants to buy a really expensive computer.
Now give me a second while I make him a computer.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
[url]https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=14937069[/url]
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Fixed that link: [url]http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14937069[/url]
You can't just make a wishlist public and link it to other people, it asks them to login to your account. You have to copy your wishlist ID from the URL and then visit a random public wishlist and replace the ID with yours to make a linkable wishlist.
Honestly you guys are pretty sad. 4 pages of blood boiling rage and argument just wanting to convince someone else to buy something? If you guys had any common sense and maturity, you would have abandoned the thread long ago instead of putting in so much effort onto a subject so pointless to persuade, especially since it is clear that the chance of your success is low because of certain opposition's ego and attitude.
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hindsight
Thread's a trainwreck, needs locked.
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[QUOTE=and;36790730]My god, facepunch is really showing its childish side with this thread. You guys help hundreds of people build new computers every year, but you won't help this guy because he wants to build a really nice one? Allow me, a professionally employed systems builder for several years now, guide you.
[IMG]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8UZzb6H9PHw/UAOgrOn0Q6I/AAAAAAAACjE/IqHBhn7K4sI/s0/Untitled.png[/IMG]
LINK to wishlist on newegg (with links to all parts): [URL]http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=19770692[/URL]
Let me give you a rundown on component selection here:
CPU: i7-3770k. The 3820, 3930, and 3960 are actually older 32nm parts, which are less efficient (in terms of both speed and power) clock-per-clock than the 22nm Ivy Bridge parts, and the Ivy Bridge, with 4 cores (but with hyperthreading for 8 threads, and intel hyperthreading is getting even better and better with the newer architectures) has more thermal overhead, which means it can run at much higher clock speeds anyways, which is what's more important for gaming once you have 8 threads. This is the top-performing CPU in most games these days, even without being overclocked. This CPU requres the Z77 chipset, which does mean you can only get up to 32GB of RAM, but this configuration will still let your run your games much better than with the older CPUs with more RAM anyways.
Mobo: Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 Z77. This is a completely full-featured and top-end motherboard that will let you make the most of your 3770k.
GPU: 2x GTX 680. The two of these in SLI hardly costs more than a single GTX 690, and will far outperform it. These are also superclocked models, so you don't have to bother trying to manually OC them - not that you really would want to with them in SLI, it'd start making a ton of heat. Regardless, the GTX 680 is still one of the most efficient and coolest-running top-end cards.
RAM: 4x8GB Mushkin DDR3-1600MHz. This will max out your mobo's RAM capacity and this specific kit also comes with tight timings, which make it even faster than cheaper 1600MHz kits. Your mobo supports even faster-clocked RAM, but that's in an overclocked state and might compromise stability, not to mention RAM faster than this will have literally zero impact on anything anyways.
PSU: Corsair professional series HX1050 1050W. Corsair makes some of the highest quality PSUs and this unit is a good match for the rest of your build. Look at the ratings distribution for your OCZ unit in the OP and compare it to that of this model - almost all reviews for this one are 5-stars, while there are lots of 1-star reviews on yours. Since it only takes 30 samples to establish statistical significance, I'd say this one is pretty much certainly much more reliable.
Storage: 1x Vertex 4 512GB SSD, 1x WD 1TB velociraptor HDD. You don't want to RAID SSDs because you sacrifice TRIM functionality, which is what prevents your SSD from slowing down over time due to dirty blocks. This is the same reason you NEVER do a full-format on an SSD. This SSD is also the fastest one out there in pretty much all situations, especially real-world tasks, thanks to its new Indilinx controller. The hard drive should be enough for several years of storage, not to mention it's one of the fastest drives out there. You could even drop the hard drive if 512GB is enough for you, and unless you have plans with what to store with all the extra space, the SSD may be all you need.
Case: Corsair 650D. This is a large mid-tower case with all the latest features, and will fit all your stuff nicely without being pointlessly huge like full-tower cases.
CPU cooler: H100. The best pre-assembled water cooling kit out there, and works great with the above case.
Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I appreciate your help.
Edit: I just read back a few pages, and I'm glad a lot of you are starting to understand the situation. I'm looking into each one of your suggestions, and I'll definitely consider all of them. Thanks again to those that have been understanding.
[QUOTE=deaded38;36800487]I'm looking into each one of your suggestions, and I'll definitely consider all of them.[/QUOTE]
Finally! Thanks for at least considering what we've all been trying to tell you.
Right now, mblunk's build is definitely one of the better ones, but one thing: Biostar doesn't make the greatest mobos. Swap it out with an equivalent ASRock or an Asus mobo.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36800703]Finally! Thanks for at least considering what we've all been trying to tell you.
Right now, mblunk's build is definitely one of the better ones, but one thing: Biostar doesn't make the greatest mobos. Swap it out with an equivalent ASRock or an Asus mobo.[/QUOTE]
You all have been trying to tell me that money is bad and I shouldn't spend a lot. I'm looking into the people who have actually posted something to my liking. I'm not following the whole 'spend a couple bucks now and spend a couple bucks a year from now' rule. I'm still going to spend a lot of money now, and maybe update when I feel it be needed.
Get an i5 over an i7. The only difference is that i7s have hyperthreading which games don't use.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
i will say this though, going all out and expecting it to last that long isn't a very good idea. A midrange PC built now will last quite a while if you gave it an upgrade every 3 years or so, or whenever you feel you need it upgraded.
Currently, my q6600 and GTS250 does what i want it to do, which is games, the same as you. the CPU is what? 5 years old?, the GPU is pretty much a 9800GTX+ which is from 2008? The GPU is starting to show its age, yet it still manages BF3 on high.
I don't expect you to listen to me, but if i was you, i'd keep some money to one side in case something dies, for upgrades or games.
Doesnt the 3570 have hyperthreading?
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