[QUOTE=BURG;29593644]That's only in the half-tower cases. The kind that are 6 inches thick. My old dimension 4300S has one.
Not mine, just a reference pic.
[img_thumb]http://www.itdiscountworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/-244501704937835430.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
'Aint seen a flat PC in years.
I'm using a Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop. It's awesome. The only 'problem' is that it tends to get somewhat warm at the area where you usually rest your palms, but I have no problems with that at all, although I can image other people might find it annoying.
[QUOTE=horsedrowner;29594300]I'm using a Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop. It's awesome. The only 'problem' is that it tends to get somewhat warm at the area where you usually rest your palms, but I have no problems with that at all, although I can image other people might find it annoying.[/QUOTE]
I'm all for Dell in the Desktop department but i will never trust a Dell Laptop.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;29594408]I'm all for Dell in the Desktop department but i will never trust a Dell Laptop.[/QUOTE]
Same. I had a Dell laptop once and that thing was absolutely terrible.
Haven't had a laptop since then, but if I were to get another one, I would not get a Dell.
If you are going for a prebuilt Laptop, I'd say Acers are ok.
[IMG]http://www.txcesssurplus.com/catalog/705-dell-XF961-motherboard.jpg[/IMG]
That's why I don't buy Dell.
[QUOTE=MTMod;29594644][img_thumb]http://www.txcesssurplus.com/catalog/705-dell-XF961-motherboard.jpg[/img_thumb]
That's why I don't buy Dell.[/QUOTE]A motherboard?
I'm not sure about the PSU thing. I bought a Dell prebuilt (before I knew about 'locked hardware') and I can't really upgrade the CPU, PSU or the motherboard. I have to do all at once.
But the graphics card could be replaced, and I went on looking for a good one. Found one, but it required more power than my PSU was supposed to deliver.
Bought it anyway, and haven't had trouble with it the past 2 years.
[QUOTE=Demache;29594890]A motherboard?[/QUOTE]
Compare that motherboard's layout (and build quality at a glance) to an aftermarket intel board.
[QUOTE=Milky;29592938]Dell make some of the best displays.[/QUOTE]
(Been a while since I've posted in this forum...hello to all the old regulars.)
I agree with Milky, their displays are very awesome.
Not a fan of their desktop machines overall, but that's why I don't purchase prebuilt desktops. As for their laptops, I've personally had no issues with them. I've still got an old Latitude that works fine, my XPS M1210 lasted me about 5 1/2 years (the 7400GO ended up shitting itself). So far my new Inspiron 15R has been great.
[QUOTE=Demache;29594890]A motherboard?[/QUOTE]
Most Dell's have bad Motherboard layout.
The monitors are pretty much the only good thing Dell makes. I think they're good for technologically incompetent people, as they work and don't need to be upgraded, but building a PC yourself is much more cost effective, (you get a lot more for what you pay for.)
Their PC's are overpriced, they also lack good cooling and upgrade-ability.
I work on enough of them in my PC support class.
As for Dell's monitors, they are great.
paid about 300euros for this ultrasharp 23" Dell monitor and it IS awesome, the stand was nice and simple, the whole thing is sturdy, and needless to say the image is sharp as a shank and its just great!
[QUOTE=acidcj;29595316]... but building a PC yourself is much more cost effective, (you get a lot more for what you pay for.)[/QUOTE]
not necessarily. look at the -$400 dell computers and you'll most likely pay less for them.
[QUOTE=drummerundrcovr;29595986]not necessarily. look at the -$400 dell computers and you'll most likely pay less for them.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638451[/url]
wins easily over [url]http://www.dell.com/ca/p/inspiron-570/fs[/url] with 0 effort (and has more RAM and a better CPU), find me one you think is unbeatable, $150 less is pretty good.
Let this come from a former employee, I'll tell you why Dell laptops straight out suck.
[b]Support[/b]
We all deal with someones help desk once in a while. While working for the enterprise support (dell managed services, field support), I have found out our T1 Helpdesk was a outsourced company located in Florida. The quality was always inferior compared to other solutions available.
For their consumer end, they use "chase-the-sun" help desks. Which means the helpdesk will rotate depending on the time of day on soem part of the world. Have you ever noticed why if you call after 6PM, you typically go to India? Sometimes, you just go straight to india due to the cheap labor any time of the day.
[b]Support: Replacement Parts (CRU and FRUs)[/b]
CRUs (customer replaced units) are usually your keyboard, harddrive, and even RAM. What makes them even worse is that all their replacement parts are refribs. All of them, even the harddrive. I have noticed that many of their replacement drives have a typical life span of 1 format, to 2 years. Pretty shit quality I do reckon.
FRUs (Field replacement units) are everything else a typical user cant do. So you get some incompetent fool to come out to your house (if you got the gold support) and replace the shit you just messed up. Most of the time, they spend hours upon hours tinkering with your systems. Since all their field service techs are outsourced, you'll get either Decision 1 or Unisys to fuck up your shit. Unisys is typically good, Decision1 is not. Expect the worst service imaginable. Even though you won't always get awful service, you just won't be surprised when you do.
[b]Build Quality[/b]
Lets be real, Dell hasn't made a solid laptop since 2005. Their all cheap plastic shells,with a flimsy chassis that'll crack or bend on your ass, as if it was a joke. Most of their PCs are assembled in Malaysia, China and even Thailand. Their build quality for their new models are similar to HP. Why? Because besides a shell change and a logo swap, they are the same machines.
The build quality on their adapters. They're rittled with poor quality components that'll break under 5 months. The sad truth is that like most of their components, they're only made to last for warranty. The power adapters and batteries normally go out before the warranty, and are normally not included. Especially batteries.
[b] Price [/b]
They're expensive for what you're getting. There is no joke here.
[b] Alienware [/b]
Not only are these things outragiously expensive, they're an outragious joke. Their desktop models are normally shit piled high with moving parts and useless features. There is a board that controls the air directors and fans, its normally of good quality if you keep your PC in brand-new condition. But with normal dust accumulation, degrading of thermal paste, and other heat factors.. these go out. And they're FRUs, so if you wanna keep that shitty warranty, you have to get one of their shitty techs out.
I don't know what else to say. But as a former employee of Dell, I would say stay away. I left them for a reason.
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[QUOTE=Chickens!;29595250]Most Dell's have bad Motherboard layout.[/QUOTE]
Thats not just Dell. HP uses the same motherboards for their laptops.
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[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29595475]As for Dell's monitors, they are great.
paid about 300euros for this ultrasharp 23" Dell monitor and it IS awesome, the stand was nice and simple, the whole thing is sturdy, and needless to say the image is sharp as a shank and its just great![/QUOTE]
Their screens have been the only quality component on their lineup.
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[QUOTE=drummerundrcovr;29595986]not necessarily. look at the -$400 dell computers and you'll most likely pay less for them.[/QUOTE]
Not really. They're the same shit you find on craigslist.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;29596690]Highly Informative post[/QUOTE]
Recommendations for the best Laptops?
[QUOTE=Chickens!;29596890]Recommendations for the best Laptops?[/QUOTE]
Well, not really. The best thing to do is research before you buy. A lot of people neglect reviews when they're going to make a huge purchase like buying a laptop.
I have actually been a fan of Asus and Acer laptops in recent times. Even old Acer is pretty good on terms of quality.
Toshiba is pretty decent. The satellite series has been a solid runner for a great price.
I just say stay away from Dells unless you're willing to put in tons of times researching. All their laptops are produced differently it seems, some with a mind of their own.
On terms of best quality of a modern laptop, its sadly Apple Mac books.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;29596890]Recommendations for the best Laptops?[/QUOTE]
I believe Asus is good, maybe it was Acer, I mix them up a lot.
Pretty sure it's Asus.
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quit it
[editline]3rd May 2011[/editline]
:(
My Brother got an ASUS and besides all of the pre-installed crap (1GB iirc) It's great.
Because kiddos on the internet try to use their business/home computer and try to game on it, or do something it isn't suppose to do.
There really isn't wrong with them usually it is user errors, atleast they aren't HP's :v:
Honestly they have good small business deals or if you just want to use one for basic internet+word typing they are fine
lol i've used this dell computer for like 4 years it seems incredibly reliable
runs the games i wanna play fine whatever
DELL ain't that bad... as long as you don't intend to play hardcore games on their builds. AS for work, the DELLs run pretty stable.
Also sometimes they make some pretty neat computer cases. I recently got myself a DELL XPS 730 case and it supports nondell ATX motherboards and PSUs.
DELL XPS 730
[img]http://www.geeks3d.com/public/jegx/200812/dell-xps-730-01.jpg[/img]
Got my Core2Quad in it up and running. Though I'm looking into switching to an i7-2600k rig soon.
I think Dells are good computers. And if you wait for some good deals to come up you can get a computer for cheaper than you can build it for.
The problem with Dells are the non standard motherboard, the cost of RAM upgrades seem very expensive and the Capacitor plague effected a lot of old Dells
[QUOTE=Romka;29598572]as long as you don't intend to play hardcore games on their builds. [/QUOTE]
wat.
I have two NVIDIA 9800 GT's in SLI, they run pretty good for me.
I bought a Dell laptop. Just after the warranty expired it broke. I bought another Dell laptop. Just after the warranty expired it broke.
I didn't buy any more Dell laptops.
[QUOTE=Romka;29598572]DELL ain't that bad... as long as you don't intend to play hardcore games on their builds. AS for work, the DELLs run pretty stable.
Also sometimes they make some pretty neat computer cases. I recently got myself a DELL XPS 730 case and it supports nondell ATX motherboards and PSUs.
DELL XPS 730
[img_thumb]http://www.geeks3d.com/public/jegx/200812/dell-xps-730-01.jpg[/img_thumb]
Got my Core2Quad in it up and running. Though I'm looking into switching to an i7-2600k rig soon.[/QUOTE]
The 730 was the first XPS to use ATX motherboards, I'm stuck with my 720 and it's shitty BTX board, I did some upgrades a year or two ago, there's nothing else I can upgrade on this system, so I'm going to build from scratch next time I want to upgrade.
[QUOTE=horsedrowner;29606670]wat.
I have two NVIDIA 9800 GT's in SLI, they run pretty good for me.[/QUOTE]Preconfigured by DELL or an update on your own?
[QUOTE=robmaister12;29606745]The 730 was the first XPS to use ATX motherboards, I'm stuck with my 720 and it's shitty BTX board, I did some upgrades a year or two ago, there's nothing else I can upgrade on this system, so I'm going to build from scratch next time I want to upgrade.[/QUOTE]Yea, better sell it and buy yourself a XPS 730 case (if you like that kind of cases of course). Make sure you get it with all accessories like its 1000W PSU and the master control board, which is responsible for the RGB LED control and the chassis cooling.
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