[QUOTE=Romka;29606838]Preconfigured by DELL or an update on your own?
Yea, better sell it and buy yourself a XPS 730 case (if you like that kind of cases of course). Make sure you get it with all accessories like its 1000W PSU and the master control board, which is responsible for the RGB LED control and the chassis cooling.[/QUOTE]
Preconfigured. Haven't yet had the need to upgrade (since I'm using my laptop as my main) nor can I be bothered with it.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;29596890]Recommendations for the best Laptops?[/QUOTE]
Apple, Asus, MSI, Toshiba, there's loads. Anything not Dell or HP, really. Levenov is one of my favorites.
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;29607202]Apple, Asus, MSI, Toshiba, there's loads. Anything not Dell or HP, really. [b]Levenov[/b] is one of my favorites.[/QUOTE]
Lenovo?
[QUOTE=Chickens!;29607992]Lenovo?[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's the Russian branch of Lenovo?
What's so bad about Dell?
First, they don't actually make their own hardware. When they want to design a new model of Dell, they put out a spec to manufacturers for the various parts required. Manufacturers will then send bids in, and Dell will [I]usually[/I] pick the absolute lowest bid and use that motto for all of the speced parts.
The end result is an extremely poor quality machine that they probably make a 1000% profit margin on, and the customers end up suffering for it.
The motherboards in Dell machines are extremely stripped down models of regular retail boards, with often alternate cheaper parts that are vastly more prone to failure (like the capacitor plague that still plagues Dell machines.) They also have alternate BIOSes that lock down what remaining functionality they had left down so the user can't modify them.
The power supplies are equally awful. The cut-rate manufacturers that make them almost always omit important things like line filtering, coils and properly rated capacitors. Never mind quality FETs or a bridge rectifier, they use diodes and crappy FETs that burn at a little over half their rated capacity.
The RAM is abysmal. If you're lucky, you'll get "Hynix" or "Nanya", but often it's no-name Wofat inc.
The only thing really worth anything in a Dell is the CPU because there are no cheap knockoffs of any powerful x86 CPUs.
Dell wasn't always like this though, up until about 2001, they actually made quality machines (the same with other computer prebuilt companies like Gateway, IBM, etc.) I have a couple of machines from that era and they're rock solid.
I'm still sticking with my HP Envy 14.
Well first off u know Dell are good because they are expensive and the come standard with nVidia who make the coldest graphix cards so they can go fastter and make your games more HD and have faster frames, and secondly they have the best processors i mean Intel invented processors you don't get any better for such a good price i mean these processors are so fast they can beat chuck norriss xD.
Also Dell make the best Cases with the most blue lights (which u know make the pc colder) and come with a mini screen on top which you can use to show how awesome ur PC is :xd:
[sp]Yes I own a Dell[/sp]
This thread is so full of wrong information...
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;29612085]This thread is so full of wrong information...[/QUOTE]
No, you're just misinformed.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;29612085]This thread is so full of wrong information...[/QUOTE]
I too enjoy going in help threads and acting superior without actually providing any useful advice
This is like similar to asking what is wrong with macbook pro's?
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;29613217]This is like similar to asking what is wrong with macbook pro's?[/QUOTE]
Kinda, but well.
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[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;29607202]Apple, Asus, MSI, Toshiba, there's loads. Anything not Dell or HP, really. Levenov is one of my favorites.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about quality, I wouldn't specifically list Apple. They're not the worst, but they're in the middle of the spectrum.
If you're not really into customization or upgrading every few months (like me), then I guess Dell is pretty good, at least for the price versus other companies, and often over the cost of building it yourself. Dell also offers discounts for small business owners, so you can get better computers for cheaper prices than if you were to buy like the regular public.
tl;dr : Dell is a good introduction into the World of PC's.
Then from there you Build your own.
[QUOTE=bohb;29608847]What's so bad about Dell?
First, they don't actually make their own hardware. When they want to design a new model of Dell, they put out a spec to manufacturers for the various parts required. Manufacturers will then send bids in, and Dell will [I]usually[/I] pick the absolute lowest bid and use that motto for all of the speced parts.
The end result is an extremely poor quality machine that they probably make a 1000% profit margin on, and the customers end up suffering for it.
The motherboards in Dell machines are extremely stripped down models of regular retail boards, with often alternate cheaper parts that are vastly more prone to failure (like the capacitor plague that still plagues Dell machines.) They also have alternate BIOSes that lock down what remaining functionality they had left down so the user can't modify them.
The power supplies are equally awful. The cut-rate manufacturers that make them almost always omit important things like line filtering, coils and properly rated capacitors. Never mind quality FETs or a bridge rectifier, they use diodes and crappy FETs that burn at a little over half their rated capacity.
The RAM is abysmal. If you're lucky, you'll get "Hynix" or "Nanya", but often it's no-name Wofat inc.
The only thing really worth anything in a Dell is the CPU because there are no cheap knockoffs of any powerful x86 CPUs.
Dell wasn't always like this though, up until about 2001, they actually made quality machines (the same with other computer prebuilt companies like Gateway, IBM, etc.) I have a couple of machines from that era and they're rock solid.[/QUOTE]
You have just summed up the big manufacturers of consumer computers.
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
I also never had any issues with Dell servers... those seem to be more solid
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;29593058]It's proper english, being that Alienware isn't one single entity.[/QUOTE]
Actually, "Alienware" would be a single entity in that case. Alienware is the company. It's singular. Just like how a "group" is singular as well.
This is incorrect:
"That group of kids are being noisy."
This is correct:
"That group of kids is being noisy."
The word "group", although it represents multiple entities, is a single entity.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;29615221]You have just summed up the big manufacturers of consumer computers.
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I also never had any issues with Dell servers... those seem to be more solid[/QUOTE]
The business models of Dells are usually built well (vostro, inspiron, some optiplexes.)
The more expensive servers also have decent build quality, but they still have garbage RAM.
Is this thread really still around?
[QUOTE=TH89;29613194]I too enjoy going in help threads and acting superior without actually providing any useful advice[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1085194-What-is-actually-bad-about-Dell?p=29597898&viewfull=1#post29597898[/URL]
wow good jorb
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=dbk21894;29613035]No, you're just misinformed.[/QUOTE]
No, usually all the dells I work on have 3 main factors as to why they break
1) the computer is left on 24/7, sucking up all dust, going through storms
2) The Family/friend tried to "Upgrade" it, shoving in things on a 305w, or 250w PSU causing the power supply to go, and/or users buy the bare minimum of ram can load it up with programs that constantly have to use pagefile and kill the drive
3) Fuckers put the laptops on their bed and leave it on, gee Soft surface that covers the air vents + parts that can get hot really easy.
I work at a place that ships out around 150+ dells ever month, I would say about 3~5% have hardware failures in the first 6 months.
i got a dell xps gen 2 and the graphics card fried after 2 years despite good maintenance, i got it early 2004 and right now it's running on duct tape bubble gum and rubber bands (as a matter of speech)
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
plus the customer support is in India or some shit, they constantly hang up and one rep is very different to another. all in all i talked to 15 people and only one of them [B]seemed[/B] helpful but they hung up
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
she didn't have an accent and she was going to get me a new case, mother board and power supply so i could upgrade my radon 9800 or something to a 7800 gtx or whatever was the best one at the time
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
maybe her boss found out she was actually being helpful, hung up the phone and had her flailed tied to the flailing pole out back
[img]http://www.ccpowerpc.com.au/zencart/images/delloptical.jpg[/img]
I love this motherfucker so much
[editline]4th May 2011[/editline]
I found that for socket 775 for some reason Dell built the heatsink into the case, instead of on the mobo, wouldn't really call it bad but just kinda weird
I've heard the XPS line is pretty good, but I've never owned one so I can't really say anything about that.
Other than that, they use cheap, secondhand hardware and when it breaks you gotta pay an arm and a leg to replace it.
their monitors and keyboards are good, but there are quality control issues with their lower end computers.
i dunno about XPS and alienware though, other than they are pricey for what you get
I bought a XPS 630 back in 2007
In terms of quality, I can tell the PSU is really lacking. They advertised it as a 750W, but if I try to do any sort of overclocking on the GPU, the computer shuts down (running 2x GTX 280s - they're supposed to draw ~530W under max load). As for the GPU, I went through 2 sets of 8800 GTs, replaced by warranty (which I will say is great), and my current GPUs have been running for ~2 years now. Everything else hasn't broken down, and the heatsink does a good job keeping my q6600 under 65 degrees at 3.2GHz.
I really like the case though. It looks nice, and it's actually really solid. I'm thinking about gutting it out and putting my new build in it over the summer
lol i leave my dell pretty much 24/7 for like years now nothing broke
[QUOTE=cryticfarm;29622280]lol i leave my dell pretty much 24/7 for like years now nothing broke[/QUOTE]
if you mean leave your dell on, then don't and you'll save a bundle in power bills.
also i hate dell because
1. proprietary hardware formats are bullshit
2. [b][i][u]ALIENWARE[/u][/i][/b]
[QUOTE=ForTehWolf...2!;29618937][img_thumb]http://www.ccpowerpc.com.au/zencart/images/delloptical.jpg[/img_thumb]
I love this motherfucker so much
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I found that for socket 775 for some reason Dell built the heatsink into the case, instead of on the mobo, wouldn't really call it bad but just kinda weird[/QUOTE]
My assigned computer at school has one of those mice. Somehow, the scroll wheel can move sideways, without right/left mousewheel click functionality.
I don't really care for Dell either. That being said, I have a Optiplex GX 270 that I got from a school for free. No bad caps, and there is nothing wrong with it. Except it came stock with 256 MB of RAM and barely ran XP. Somehow, it can run Windows 7 almost as well as any modern system once you slap 2 GB of RAM in it (I mean, what else are you going to use DDR RAM for? You've got 4 slots to fill).
Although, right now its running Windows 2000 and I just use it as a server. It does have a Gigabit NIC on it, I just don't have a gigabit capable router.
HP is good and I'm using it one right now. I bought a pretty good one that plays games max settings.
[QUOTE=sa2fan;29625429]I bought a pretty good one that plays games max settings.[/QUOTE]
Okay...and what games might those be?
Some of their designs are pretty terrible.
My Inspiron 1525 for example, it's filled with dust but the only way to clean the heatsink is removing the keyboard :argh:
Well actually, most laptops are like that. The service flap should give access to the HSF IMO.
Now, about their desktops. My Studio 540 has a standard m-ATX motherboard but they removed connectors (floppy, IDE and some SATA ports) and locked down the BIOS. It's pretty much a licensed ASUS motherboard with most awesome features removed.
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